New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[Grey_Fox]

What about these? You can get them heated, and they are already perfected?

http://m.dhgate.com/product/commercial-grade-olive-oil-press-machine/217082168.html#pd-019

The only thing i see being a problem is that this machine is designed for seeds it seems. Plant matter may gum up the works more so than a dried seed. I think one of the smart people on here mentioned some other smart people modifying one of those to work but I have no info to give other then that.
Would be awesome if it worked as well as it does with seeds.

 

[Lyfespan]

keep track of your grams per square inch. This will help you find the best balance, too thick and you lose too much heat to get full extraction and yes decarb happens the longer the material sits in there. Ok ok here's a secret I'll let leak. I pre press everything cold in a custom mold I made. I use scissors to cut up smaller squares. I can keep track of my grams per square inch much better and actually have perfectly measured amounts in the shape i want to start with. This helps alot with folding up the coffee filters and yeah I can load it in and get pressure on it fairly fast bit not that fast. My design is a little different, some pre heat is acceptable but using paper I'm sure quicker is better but I wouldn't trip on like what, 15 seconds? Together our collective heads will prevail. The ape/aqualabs people will unlikely do any further research because they got their hands full with their current design. That always happens, people get stuck on the level they are at once they rip into full production. I also know they were not at all trying to think about large production.

ahh the fun stuff, there are tons of journals with all the conversion info of the different coumpounds subjected to temps

 

[slowandeasy]

I was wondering the average current market value per gram for ROSIN? I live in a Med state, but never purchase items. I was also wondering the techniques people are using with the hair straightener/clamp? Mine is about broken, and will attach it to the clamp....inane a Dewalt clamp. How much return are you getting?
HMK, I was thinking that your SNAKE method might work well if you used a Cigarette roller to make a tight cylinder shape. You could cut them to smaller sizes if you wish. Jst a thought.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

HMK, I was thinking that your SNAKE method might work well if you used a Cigarette roller to make a tight cylinder shape. You could cut them to smaller sizes if you wish. Jst a thought.

nice idea, i do a version of that for sticky weed especially, just using parchment paper to roll and squeeze it into a tight tube, works pretty good.

 

[Sunfire]

Cleaning it up

 

[heady blunts]

nice idea, i do a version of that for sticky weed especially, just using parchment paper to roll and squeeze it into a tight tube, works pretty good.

this was helpful. thank you.

 

[vitamingreeninc]

So heated laminating presses have already been discussed and discarded correct?

 

[Lyfespan]

So heated laminating presses have already been discussed and discarded correct?

the laminating machines lack the necessary pressure per sq.in. but there are other rolling presses that you can really get the pressure up on but they aren't heated. another reason im going to go ahead and put the roller idea to bed, is the length of time the oil maybe in contact with the heat sources. i have thought about some kind of take up roller, or having it wound up. even if you think about the rollers being set up so you run the material vertically and let a silicone squeegee scrap/scoop it up again is there a possibility for extended heat contact and decarbing?

 

[Lyfespan]

I was playing around alot today and I definetly noticed thicker takes way longer to fully extract, as I had previously observed with a different technique. Was just a thought for minimal decarb. How big is YOUR snake lol?!?

Lyfespan idk if I should qoute a qoute of a qoute so I'll just do a point by point.

I completely grasp the halo.concept as you have worded it. I still disagree with the use of any technique that keeps the product under the influence of heat any longer then necessary. I politely ask the rosin to go to a cold plate immediately after exiting the filter and amazingly she complies. Yes the product will migrate and flow across heated surfaces but idk if I'd say it chases them similar to how butane vapor chases cold and condensates. Under pressure you get what the plastic Industry calls "fountain flow." However rosin won't climb vertically up a wall like terpenes will without pressure. It will indeed sprawl across surfaces horizontally and even make turns. Just like blast had said, I too have seen rosin just get every freaking where. Paper and pads make it easy, if you attempt a paperless all ss design, things get fun. This is my experience not my theory, 95% of my theories sounded good at first but then failed misserably.

Ok let's define steam. It's the expression of water vapor exiting a system of higher pressure into a system of lower pressure. That's how vacuum distillation works with water vapor at low temps and that's how we see water vapor when a pot is boiling at much higher temps.. Different materials have different boiling temps but those temps don't define boiling. Boiling is simply the pressure "on the inside" being greater then the pressure "on the outside." So under that much pressure, at that little heat, I doubt there is actually any "steam" as opposed to the simple expansion of the water molecules similarly to how the oils are expanded and excited, they become less viscous. And if you pack too much material in your filter, that too expands into a glorious mess. as below, same as above, old school alchemy, micro and macro together at last! You need much higher temps then we prefer to use for rosin to actually extract any thc with water vapor. My whole point being that I don't think water vapor is going to penetrate the material any further beyond the simple heat of the plates itself. And I saw that all day today, again, as I was playing with different thicknesses and gram per square inch densities. Thicker material takes longer to fully extract because I assume the material acts as an insulator. At higher pressures I've seen 0 difference in yield or extraction time with moist vs dry.

I think grey wolf had the best roller idea.

Your gonna press the dies ontop of the volcanizer plates? Where's the oil going to go? I mean that's great for relieving purely physical symptoms but for metaphysical, mental, psychological or simply I need to get mutha fucken high symptons, minimal decarb is desired. I also wouldn't count on tthe heated plates transferring enough heat fast enough. A 26 gauge little layer of stainless makes a big difference in time it takes to get the juices flowing. Just my observations, you should indeed question everything and try it for yourself but just keep my experiences i have shared in mind. If we all do this with each other it will help accelerate the collective learning curve. And please do let us know what you discover, the direction your going is one ive been thinking about a lot. I have always felt with piston concept the actual piston and cylinder themselves need to have heating elements inside of them.

I don't get the second blue qoute at all. Temp is relevant to time when I comes to molecular degradation. The pressure will aid in rearrangement but a 200F plate just resting on the material.for a few second im sure will not aid in decarb that much.

I can't stress enough how much myself and others have been thinking about decarb and how to minimize it with rosin because that's it's Achilles heel. preserve the terps at all costs as well!

could it be done as a 2 part extraction, terps then oil, or vice versa?

 

[heady blunts]

HMK does this look like the same one you have with the screw holes on the back of the heating plates?

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

yes bro!

 

[heady blunts]

sweeeeet! prime better get me that shit PRONTO.

ya those plastic brackets got me through maybe 10 presses lol.

 

[heady blunts]

the snakes are sweet. they allow me to press a lot more per press, around 1--1.5g maybe. i don't have numbers right now but to my casual observations the yield per gram seems to be similar to when i was doing 0.4g balls.

 

[slowandeasy]

Nobody answered my questions! How much is Rosin going for per gram? What technique seems to be most effective with hair straightener/clamp? Thanks

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

oh sorry bro we totally should have been there for you.

first question answered, it depends on what people will pay you for it!

second question, you stick it in there and press it with parchment paper. trial and error will allow you to dial it in perfectly, much better than reading someone elses description, you need to do it to dial it in (also reading most of this thread rather than just asking for a quick answer will get you far more data than anyone is willing to retype for you).

 

[billy_big_bud!]

lmfao@hashy. concentrates seem to be $60 a g as a standard. i believe rosin should be priced higher imo.

 

[whadeezlrg]

I've seen it go for as much as $50g wholesale/$100g retail in the CA medical market...in line with high end Ice Wax(glorified bubblehash that has been microplaned)

a good way to determine what its worth to you is to add the cost/value of the starting material and the amount that the labor is worth ie: if you spend 8 hrs pressing out a qp and you value your time @ say $40/hr then your looking at $320(labor) + $750(material) = $1070/22g(a little less than 20% return) = $48.64g

it's a good way to increase the bottom line when you have more time than you do material lol

 

[heady blunts]

okay i went back 10+ pages but i couldn't find the post to give credit to the idea, but someone mentioned a week or two ago that the plates from their hair iron melted into the quick-grip. thank you to that person for the idea!

i carefully positioned the cold plates against the black plastic pads, clamped them together with a decent firmness, then cranked that motherfucker to the max.

after about a minute or two it had started to bite into the plastic, so i squeezed the handle to increase the pressure. i did this in slow increments over the next minute or two until i was satisfied the plates were well mounted.

then i turned it off and let the whole thing cool while still under pressure. i waited until it had come back to room temperature before i hit the release trigger.

here's how it looks:

 

[f2b]

hey made a profile just to ask you guys some questions.. mainly heady blunts !


i have a remmington flat iron http://************/o7pzpxu

im thinking about getting this clamp http://************/pslepd3


if i try and take the heating plates and "mold" them to the clamp, would i even need to use screws and drill? im trying to avoid screwing and drilling stuff...

Would that jb weld mentioned a few pages back work? or should i do what you're describing and put the plates on the clamp until its melted in..?

and most importantly how do i stay as safe as possible while doing this..much electrical tape on everything besides anything that gets really hot?

im considering doing this as oppesed to just clamping the flat iron down because i would run the risk of breaking the flat iron...

Thanks for any response in advance

 

[Francy420]

Now when you turn it back on do the plates just release or do they stay? I rigged something similar with a Vise Grip clamp and it works fucking amazing. Only problem is I have to re-glue it every couple of uses. But for only $20 I spent on straightener I can handle that.