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New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

cyphaman

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so with 4700 lbs of force we've been getting mixed results, with different surface areas... 1.5 x 5.5" steel plates cant seem to press more than 1.7 grams until it presses flower outside the surface area? but with 1.7 or less we seem to be gettin full squirts in 1 press 2 or 3 seconds, but very inefficient having to waste a big pc of parchment for that little bit but this was to try and have the oil squirt off of the heated plates onto cooler parchment as it exits, so we have two more sets of custom plates ordered at 2.75 x 4.5 and then 1.5 x 3.5 to mimic the rosin technologies size pretty much, I am skeptical about how much that thing can press at a time tbh. and I havent been able to get squirts at 150 yet, just pressed bud....but at 175+ no issue (all flowers mind you)

with a bigger plate 4 x 5" marble heated to 200 we could press 2.5 grams at a time, with awesome results only the oil was not pressing outside the surface area much but not sure that matters.....after 7.5 grams we had a 1.6 so about a 20% return!! which was the best yet, but since then with different material that I didnt expect as much from we were getting really sappy, lower yields and just not digging it.........

So much more experimentation to come with proper steel (half inch thick) plates coming but for now we just have the 1.5 x 5.5 " ones where we just tripled up a 1/8" thick steel bar for a semi -plate....does the trick for the time being.

Not feeling the ease of use part so much but I am sure well get there, I wonder how much they are pressing on them Rosin Technolgies little plates? their press supposedly is about half the force lbs. as ours .. why at 150 arent we getting squirts??

to be continued with progress pics once they are half decent. for now the extra time it takes loading the plates into position and shit seems to be adding to the sap factor, and slightly degrading terps.... so I am going to try and pre flatten the buds to be presses and get them perfecltly uniform with a cold press so that were not playing such a balancing act. I am hoping that if we double up our surface area we can get back to doing 1.5gs at a time and getting them 20% numbers!!
 

Twitch.

Member
lol once again this is for commercial use in the industry, sun mention regulations, my unit is OSHA certified. I can see the MMED looking at one of those presses abd being like you make medicine with this???
 

Sirdizz

Member
Damnnn lyfes not playin around lol!

Yeah I guess it would be a huge vap lol. Though if you Uped the pressure to say like 100psi at lets say 200-250* you don't think you could blast those heads out of there? Yeah I'm sure someone would have done it by now anyways if it could be done. Ok what about u the toaster then? Jk Lol.
After reading all this I'm gonna have to get a dam press. Probably end selling all my other equipment like you did sun. So does that mean your not gonna give us any of your press porn? Would be nice to get a few more pictures on here from everyone too.
 

Lyfespan

Active member
lol once again this is for commercial use in the industry, sun mention regulations, my unit is OSHA certified. I can see the MMED looking at one of those presses abd being like you make medicine with this???

these were the model we are looking into, not the machines themselves. just the size and principle along with press dies that will direct and collect the oil
 

Twitch.

Member
the rosin press was very cute, just pointless from a production stand point

are you high???? don't answer that.... I can process more rosin with the press then I can BHO... really? with purge time? I mean no you can't with your mom's hair straightener.
 

ThirdEyeVision

Active member
Just finished making my quickgrip press, thanks for the inspiration hmk. I just used some foil tape to hold it in place for the first few squeezes to make sure it worked before i drilled holes in the plates to add screws....as it turns out the grooves on the back of the ceramic plates were ideal for attatching itself to the rubber pads of the quickgrip...lmao the heat and pressure has welded my hair iron plates to the grip by itself. Its never coming off. No epoxy glue or screws necessary .
 

Lyfespan

Active member
are you high???? don't answer that.... I can process more rosin with the press then I can BHO... really? with purge time? I mean no you can't with your mom's hair straightener.

lmfao, of course im high!:woohoo::dance013: :tiphat: , im all for rosin pressing man, BHO is and will be outlawed in the next year, just too many stupid stigmas in the news. so, now starts the hunt for large presses, like i said i think all these str8ing irons are cute, but will not be adequate for processing large quantities, nor are they really setup to interchangeably do different materials.

while we have all seen the nice return from the press from the guys on hash church(thank you guys), and all discussed the moisture and what not affecting the quantity and quality of returns. and yes we have all seen the aqualabs rosin press too, i watched a very nice demonstration at Chalice along with a few of the other guys from hash church as well. Its a great concept,of which to improve upon.

like i mentioned before next is heated die pressing with directional collection, next will be column pressing, and rotary possibly. Oh hell yes im high and full of ideas to try. had a nice return from a small prepacked puck of live material loaded into nothing more that a small(pads are 6"x8") heated screw press that jewelers use between silpat at 205F. seeing again that the pre shaped pucks really help with directional pressing, only furthered my head into coming upwith ideas for making new dies for pre pressing and what not.:huggg:
 

Lyfespan

Active member
hey every one. Was just wondering if anyone of you lovely people have tried pressing with a thin silicon ring or something inside of your preferred pressing material to keep the oils contained to a circular area? might make collection easier? Thoughts?

if you press the plant material into 1/4-1/2 inch x 1inch pucks and mind you pretty tight too. when you use a press that meets perfect it makes a perfect circle oil cast. i found that pressing with the silpat sheet allowed for compression of the silpat and actually forced the oil further than the pressed material, leaving a halo
 

Lyfespan

Active member
Check out the volcanizers I put on my ig feed. Thay are a little prettier then the ones you linked lol! The little jewelery ones may deceive you no??? You got one the same ones I put on ig lol?!?!?! That's too funny you bring that up hehehe! Stull though the plates are too big but you could easily take the pid and thermocouple heat plate technology and apply it to higher pressure for way less then 4k, I know for a fact cause I've been researching it heavily.
vulcanizers is where the initial idea came from, you'll have to shot me a link to the IG. and the lil jewelers twist crank one worked pretty nice today. and yes there are so many well controlled heating surfaces, a lil research will provide thoses. Im looking for a large surface and the idea that has worked best is a center hot point with the plate getting cooler as the oil is spread, dont want it going dark now do we? and yes so many presses used and new for well under 4k that was just a quick reference find


You'll find quickly that it's not so simple to control the rosin under high pressures but don't let that discourage you. If you have the inspiration you should for go for it cause honestly there's always a better way. The die idea would be very similar if not identical to the piston concept. I previously stated my concerns with That design concept, maybe go back and look it over and let me.know what you think? The piston ring/seal will be the hardest part. I know there's a way to do it, I won't give up cause I truly believe that will be better then what I got now and maybe you'll have the answer.

its been plenty easy to control, especially with the help of fluid dynamics courses. with slightly convex plates we are able force the oil where we want just needed to know where to cut the relief grooves. it was someones suggestion on trying directional pin holes in parchment that also helped with that. the column and piston press does prove to be a lil more challenging. we run into issues with cell wall destruction and chlorophyll bleeds if trying to stack to high if you will. another issue is trying to get through the material as its compressing against the screens, i do only think this will work in a short ram situation, ie 4"x1". as far for the seals this is where it gets realy tricky, how do you keep tolerances with the changing temps? but we can look to a cars piston multi ring set up for answers. maybe a combination of different ring materials? i willing to share and expose all ideas, im not in this for the money, its a waste, PERIOfuckingD.


I'm really thinking more and more about grey fox talking about pressuring first then heating. Gotta find some nasa style heating elements that get super hot super fast but in a very controlled fashion and that could change the game for production.

yes Grey fox is on the right trail, ever since the first pressing we found that pressing the nug into pucks has worked the best for yield and oil directing. so a sort of hopper will be fashioned to hold wet plant material, it will be funneled down and packed to a certain PSI(this is still being investigated) where it will then go on to run through the press, again automated, i dont want some jackasses hand being smashed and suing, two button safety or not. let alone getting sprayed in the face with hot oil. again there are awesome thermo controls out there.

Pressing columns will lead to massive decarb. Like most everything else, smaller hand made organic batches will trump quality. More smaller presses would be be better then fewer larger presses. Just need to speed it up with the v6 design damn it lol!

im with you on speeding this up, i would like to see a line automated machine to do everything.

Damn who are you? You keep talking about guys from hash church, which one are you?

john lyfespan, im just a follower that happens to run into the guys at the canna events and what not. i know Frenchy and the weed nerds too.
 

Grey_Fox

Member
for the Cylinder extractor, If the tube had an inner sleeve the same material as the O-ring for the metal piston, do you think the expansion of the metal will help to seal the whole unit more so then take away from its ability to make a proper seal?
 

Lyfespan

Active member
for the Cylinder extractor, If the tube had an inner sleeve the same material as the O-ring for the metal piston, do you think the expansion of the metal will help to seal the whole unit more so then take away from its ability to make a proper seal?

you would have to be able to keep btoh the sleeve and the piston and rings within degrees of each other. Maybe heated oil or other thermo-conductive insulator on the outside of the sleeve? so you could heat the sleeve perfectly?
 

Lyfespan

Active member
for the Cylinder extractor, If the tube had an inner sleeve the same material as the O-ring for the metal piston, do you think the expansion of the metal will help to seal the whole unit more so then take away from its ability to make a proper seal?

you would have to be able to keep btoh the sleeve and the piston and rings within degrees of each other. Maybe heated oil or other thermo-conductive insulator on the outside of the sleeve? so you could heat the sleeve perfectly?
 

Grey_Fox

Member
When heating the outside tho you will be getting expansion on the containing cylinder which would create a gap between the sleeve and cylinder? couldn't we use a different material for the outside and keep it from being heated to keep a stable tolerance on the cylinder then math out the expansion of the metal and create the proper spacing for the piston so that when it expands it creates the proper seal?

a consistent temperature throughout the cylinder might be best in the long run considering there will be a max temp of the cylinder and it will be contracting as you repack material.
 

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