New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Thanks Sunfire. The air quality was quite stable for the few days i believe, hot and dry.

did it eventually autobudder on your.

My thing is I can produce wax every time...doesnt matter strain so far...tried 5 that I have avail....all bubble hash mind you.

If there is moisture in the hash....it will wax up during pressing....every time...

no moisture = clear consistancy that stays that way...at least for a 5 days...which is the most a sample has lasted around my place.

I am curious about your strain theory tho and I have a buddy who is cropping some old school bubbakush.... Since he wants to use my washing machine I will press some of that hash and see what happens...

Dollars to dognuts it will wax up during press if there is moisture in the hash still

nucleation needs moisture wax and particles right.... 25micron screen will let a tonne of debris thru... Add all 3 together and you get BUDDER/WAX immedietly as long as you don't use stupid amounts of heat.

dont know, it probably would have buddered up, but i smoked it. Another time an interesting observation about fast buddering is when i kept a sample in the freezer for a few days of an extract, before freezing it didnt paste up at all, but after being frozen for awhile(in freezer bags), it pasted up super fast, like within an hour or two, to a very white paste.


I almost always press with high moisture content, i only press buds, and it only budders instantly rarely. maybe 1 in 4 batches will paste up in a few days of open air storage.

as for the moisture, i wasnt saying it wont exacerbate or promote buddering, i was just pointing out an example where it wasnt necessary and a sample would still paste up virtually moisture free, and as it was made, not after time. I have found that longer presses will make the budder phenomenon, at low temps. the same stuff done at the same temp for less time is less prone to come out pasted.

 

[blastfrompast]

Is your budder stable and just slighly pliable at room temp, but not sticky?

And by budder I mean the kind that is pressed as budder, but doesn't turn to budder after time...

Sucks...I can get flowers tested locally, but not extracts.... I would love to know the difference between wax and clear.... Moisture content would probably answer this question..

Test a few samples...see what autobudders immediately, and over time...and not at all (lets say 14 day threshhold)... Perhaps one day lol

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

its usually quite soft, stable and not sticky. sometimes very soft. over time it hardens some, but doesnt appear to change color much.

 

[sourpuss]

My 1st run or try I got pliable not sticky enough to handle at room temp. In terms of sticky runny a good sit in the fridge will sort it out without losing any terps or colour change

 

[Sunfire]

roji is doing solventless cbd extractions using rosin tech? or other methods? I'd love a link!

Look at his instagram @roji_concentrates

The super budder from the sour D is pretty damn sticky. Even in the freezer it's pliable and sticks to the paper.

The half budder is pretty damn sticky too fresh out the fridge. I put it in there right after pressing so when I get my lazy ass around to taking pics and post that all up it will look like it did straight out the press. The half budder is more terpy by taste then the super budder. Different terps I imagine though as the taste is a bit different.

10 days later all the flower presses have buddered up to some extent and they have lost mad terps, are much less sticky, and the flavor has changed. It's been 100+ here so that was pretty dumb looking back but it was for the sake of science! I had kief presses sitting out for like a month that never buddered up at all.

Got the enail in the mail today!!! I wish I wasn't such a light weight so I could sample more for the sake of science but I'm working on that. I'm really hoping the enail opens up a world of flavor I'm tired of the heat guess game with the nail and torch.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

My 1st run or try I got pliable not sticky enough to handle at room temp. In terms of sticky runny a good sit in the fridge will sort it out without losing any terps or colour change

with the right methods, its easy to handle it when anywhere from super hard, to runnier than honey with no freezing. lately for some reason i have been getting crazy liquidy stuff, it will start to drip down a razor immediately when turned vertical.

 

[Sunfire]

Lots of decarb or lots of terp or lots of moisture or any combination.

With closed loop.sour diesel was always a black runny bitch to work with. With the rosin I'm very pleased with the results. Could be a strain thing? I got a million things to do, I'll draw that diagram and take budder and sour D pics tomorrow maybe.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

Steaming terpenes at high temperature can lead to some loud rosin, but cannabidiol has a melting point of 66 °C (151 °F). Sacrificing CBD's value as an antagonist and its resulting attenuation in the name of flavor is an analog for space-pudding that tastes like filet mignon. Slow and low decarb is arguably triggering oxidation - THC is degrading into CBN, meaning the affect one is experiencing is not that of our favorite psychoactive constituent, but rather its weaker sibling Cannabinol.

 

[Ringodoggie]

Hey gang.... just tossing this out. Has anyone tried introducing vibration into the equation?

Vibratory methods are often used with dry materials but it may also have some effect on the flow of the rosin in our applications.

Perhaps adding an orbital sander or your wife's favorite vibrator to the plates.

 

[EsterEssence]

Dude we have already taken her hair straightener, vibrator might border on divorce material...

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

the crux of the matter here is her "favorite". C'mon man, dont take her favorite one, thats just crazy!

Lots of decarb or lots of terp or lots of moisture or any combination.

I'd say lots of terps and moisture, and no decarb. first press is very light golden color. i am quite sure decarb always has darkening.

 

[blastfrompast]

ester:

LOL....bwhaha..

I press vertical, but directionally press to the right...at least when hand pressing..

I am really starting to like using SS for my filter mesh, just wish I could find 5-10u see if filtering more contaminates out changes the autobuddering issue.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

ester:

LOL....bwhaha..

I press vertical, but directionally press to the right...at least when hand pressing..

i have to let you guys know if you dont know, that when pressing buds, vertical or not makes absolutely no difference. Maybe you already all knew that. But when i press them and leave my press sitting vertical, i get as much if not more extract, that runs UP and out of the press, as opposed to down. its capillary action or some shit.

 

[blastfrompast]

I squeeze everything out the right hand side and top, easy to collect....also easy to position the parchment and sachel just right

 

[EsterEssence]

Horizontal is better for buds, it kinda makes an aurora. For kief i like to let it run away from the heat, so i like the vertical, although some goes up but not much...

 

[Sunfire]

Steaming terpenes at high temperature can lead to some loud rosin, but cannabidiol has a melting point of 66 °C (151 °F). Sacrificing CBD's value as an antagonist and its resulting attenuation in the name of flavor is an analog for space-pudding that tastes like filet mignon. Slow and low decarb is arguably triggering oxidation - THC is degrading into CBN, meaning the affect one is experiencing is not that of our favorite psychoactive constituent, but rather its weaker sibling Cannabinol.

Who now, slow down. Steaming terpenes at high temperature? So you mean pressing moist material and higher heats? When one smells all the terps at high heat isn't that clearly a sign your evaporating them? Or is it also a sign that more terps are coming out of the material? I can pull a lot of terps off already tumbled trim with around 150F, does one really need more heat to pull out more terps, like the larger and heavier sesqueterpenes? If feel like that's what's missing with my budder rosin, there not much bass to the tune, but a lot of high notes.

the super terpy SD instant budder rosin is extremely psychoactive, as opposed to the shattery LA.

I don't understand the cbd antagonist part? Cbd isn't normally psychedelic is it? I thought that was the job of thca which decarb turns to delta9?

 

[Sunfire]

Ringo - I think when everything is under multiple tons of force, not much will actually vibrate, you'd have to vibrate the whole frame. That's one big dildo!

Ester - Lmfao that's hilarious.

Hash - decarb always darken my products, I purposely do it often . But it doesn't always have to be like that, look at roji ' s instagram. He's getting super geeked out some crazy stuff. In a rotovape thread somewhere here he posted a pic of some thc rocks, looks like yellow copal!

Why can't you guys put the sachel into the fold of the paper when your pressing by hand? Won't work at high pressires, paper will blow out but that worked well for me with the shirt press. Maybe fold up one of the edges a few times really tight to make a 90 degree pocket and put the sachel into the pocket so now the rosin can run in only 1/4th the amount of allowable direction?

 

[MJtheIndicator]

Who now, slow down. Steaming terpenes at high temperature? So you mean pressing moist material and higher heats? When one smells all the terps at high heat isn't that clearly a sign your evaporating them? Or is it also a sign that more terps are coming out of the material? I can pull a lot of terps off already tumbled trim with around 150F, does one really need more heat to pull out more terps, like the larger and heavier sesqueterpenes? If feel like that's what's missing with my budder rosin, there not much bass to the tune, but a lot of high notes.

the super terpy SD instant budder rosin is extremely psychoactive, as opposed to the shattery LA.

I don't understand the cbd antagonist part? Cbd isn't normally psychedelic is it? I thought that was the job of thca which decarb turns to delta9?

The loud rosin I mention is in reference to flower, nug run rosin which has terps steaming at those higher temperatures with the louder ones being clarified and the lesser falling by the wayside.

The shatter-like rosin is what I debate as oxidized, thc degredation (CBN), it makes sense to me that the longer heat is applied the more thc is encouraged to degrade.

Cannabidiol is a different story as regards rosin. If CBD is melting we are losing the antagonist for cannabinoid receptor type 1, therefor augmenting the affects of tetrahydrocannabinol, IF you believe cannabis to be a total body experience or subscribe to entourage effect (referencing whole plant/whole person caregiver synergy treatments over isolated compound pharmacological dosages).

I'm of the mind that CBD has been drastically bred out of cannabis, we could argue that the strongest strains were naturally vacant of CBD and the ratios favored THC for whatever reason be it environmental or geographic. This doesn't change the fact that THC rich plants in the modern context were not selected as such.

When technology comes along (however old rosin actually is) and it supports or reinforces a back of the bus mentality, seeing as CBD is in the backseat regarding rosin and CBN is ignored altogether, the plant itself will morph to suit these human standards. This is if you believe cannabis follows us...

 

[cyphaman]

surface area is key im finding... it can mess up the yield big time!

with a bigger press too, ive been doing much smaller breakdown of material and pressing less at a time and getting some amazing squirtage! like sheets filled with oil when it goes just right.. never had this before. 14% yield is sadly my best yet, but im stoked!

Going to try to add something underneath to get more pressure in that one spot, thanks Roji

and already got a pneumatic press lined up just waiting to find out its capabilities ...no rush for me as im finally getting this down.. collecting aint a bitch no more either, just use the right dab tool )))

 

[Sunfire]

The loud rosin I mention is in reference to flower, nug run rosin which has terps steaming at those higher temperatures with the louder ones being clarified and the lesser falling by the wayside.

Im so glad your here, we don't get many knowledgeable chemist drop ins. I'm a bit confused with definition here. By loud you mean terpy/flavorful? So you saying the higher temp clarifies (extracts?) the louder terps and leaves behind the lesser (heavier earthen tones?) If you mean loud how it seems that people mean on it instagram, The sour D 180u kief tumble was the loudest for me, even more then the super fresh barely dried enough to press flowers.

The shatter-like rosin is what I debate as oxidized, thc degredation (CBN), it makes sense to me that the longer heat is applied the more thc is encouraged to degrade.

Yeah I've been wondering about time, and how things go with cooler and longer presses. For sure the last of the rosin to come out of a big press is less terpy but I've done no analytical for anything. Tony verzura says he tests everything. The material before and after the press as well the product itself. He hasn't shared any results though.

Cannabidiol is a different story as regards rosin. If CBD is melting we are losing the antagonist for cannabinoid receptor type 1, therefor augmenting the affects of tetrahydrocannabinol, IF you believe cannabis to be a total body experience or subscribe to entourage effect (referencing whole plant/whole person caregiver synergy treatments over isolated compound pharmacological dosages).

just to be positive, entourage effect = synergistic effect yes? From every thing I've read there clearly seems to be synergistic effects of plant constituents right? "Caregiver synergy treatments", shit dude can you break that down one more step, I'm unaware of such studies, I still ahve a lot learn. I had no idea cbd was an antagonist to such receptors. Sounds to me.like an even greater to need to get super analytical to figure out proper tech.

I'm of the mind that CBD has been drastically bred out of cannabis, we could argue that the strongest strains were naturally vacant of CBD and the ratios favored THC for whatever reason be it environmental or geographic. This doesn't change the fact that THC rich plants in the modern context were not selected as such.

maybe early breeding, like in the 80s could be responsible. They were only after thc9 years ago. this knowledge wasn't abundant back then and they couldn't test for or I think even knew to test for cbd, cba, cbn, thca, thcv. All they tested for was delta9 and an old chart lots of people use for decarb temps and times, seems to hint that thca was invisible to the analytical chemists back then. As decarb happened the thc levels went up and I think that's why they originally called it "activating." But I don't know anything for sure.

When technology comes along (however old rosin actually is) and it supports or reinforces a back of the bus mentality, seeing as CBD is in the backseat regarding rosin and CBN is ignored altogether, the plant itself will morph to suit these human standards. This is if you believe cannabis follows us...

idk if cbd is the back seat for rosin. It has been for breeding for a long time but the word is out on it now. Slightly disagree with "morph" because it's selective breeding and not natural microevolution. We created the drug strains that exist today and selected drug traits and isolated the fiber traits. So maybe we should get some land race strains, and some high cbd/thc strains and start over. I'm pretty sure that's already going on however. Lol were you referencing thag botanist that suggested cannabis actually uses us in its evolution? That's the "cannabis follows us" refference? That was a long time ago I can remember much but I liked the idea.

Thanks for busting in here and contributing. Please do stick aroind. I have a theory about rosin stability in regards to crystalline matrix. Which might help explain the strange instability of the product sometimes and how.other times it's extremely stable. I have to draw a stupid little diagram first cause it Will be easier for me then words.

Cyphaman- doing less at once it probably just increasing your pressure because your decreasing your surface area of material. With the same surface area. I went form only 30% to over 50% when I stepped up the pressure (shirt press vs hydraulic). Same material too