New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[sourpuss]

1st try... doesnt look perfect... made from drysift and parchment and a clothes iron on high... tried to 1 hit it out of my pipe with some ash.... haha was a nice blast... didnt make it. Tried my damnest to hold it in long but as usual with smooth budder type stuff I couldnt.... long enongh to go for a ride haha... got half a second hit before it was gone... bubbled not full melt. Still happy to get to try rosin and id say I like it. Like a bho hit but with the hash flavs...



Very compareable to bho. U can taste a difference. Strength was on par. Diffficulty in making it sucks. Glad there is some tech movement in makin this easier. Wonder if u could use pressure to make heat and or inject steam thru the compressed pucks. Anyway ill read the past hundred pages. Haha...

 

[athomewithkyle]

i feel like a dick for forgetting to mention this sooner but the guy that squishes for me mists the buds with a sprayer before he squishes. his theory is the water changing to steam expands 200 times helping the resin force through. i have tried using the same material as him but without the misting and my results were quite different. the product i got was much more runny leading me to believe that the water helps collect some plant waxes giving a higher yield and a easier to manage product. hope this helps someone.

Wouldn't you not want the plant waxes in there? As those making BHO are dewaxing.

 

[Sunfire]

Waxes will decrease your thc percentage, idk if it necessary to worry about them though.

If you inject steam you will have troubles. First off the pressure needed to actually inject steam into the filter bundle will be staggering. Now you have a bunch of water in your product.

Pressure alone will not make enough heat with any of the tech I have seen. I can play with 60k psi if I wanted to, maybe some day, but I'm still under the impression that too much pressure will start to change things molecularly. I assume there's a balance somewhere. Only analytical testing will tell. So far the only people I know who are spending thousands on analytical, arnt sharing the results.

 

[athomewithkyle]

Waxes will decrease your thc percentage, idk if it necessary to worry about them though.

I think the more wax in it, the harsher it is on the throat. From my experience at least, when comparing de-waxed and non de-waxed BHO.

 

[billy_big_bud!]

i have found that the pre misted product is far easier to handle than the non misted. non misted stays like honey oil. misted product you can handle but not for long before body temps make it sticky.

 

[Sunfire]

Hmmm I was a never a dabber before rosin so you probably would know about that kind of stuff more then . myself. I built and operated a rather large CLS in the past but I never dewaxed.

Are all those samples from the same flowers Billy? All the same variables?


More rosin mysteries. I just can't see moisture pulling more waxes unless the moisture is really pulling more terps and the terps as a solvent are pulling the waxes. Thay would actually make sense with the.moisture auto budder in relation to flower versus kief!!!!!!! Holy shit that might be it! But it may not, lol.

From terpene isolation and from rosin extraction, I think I can make the theory that it's better to letter the moisture evenly.penetrate the material ad opposed to misting them directly. I've said it before, I'd really love a digital humidor and play with different moisture levels and leave the material In there for a good day or two to soak up the percentage RH I choose.

 

[slowandeasy]

I was just wondering the average yields you guys are getting? I like the idea of solvent less extractions, but how consistent is it? Also, is pressing on parchment paper safe. I read a decent amount of the thread, sorry if My questions have been answered before. Thanks

 

[Sunfire]

Gonna have to read it bro. Many many factors in yield. 10-20% flowers. 30-85+% some people claim with sift or wash.

Nobody that I'm aware off has done any analytical to test for contamination. I would probably cost a pretty penny for a lab to set up the test but I keep meaning to make a call to see the possibility and cost.

 

[Ollie]

Super interesting talk´s / debate bout where Rosin is atm. on Yesterdays Hash Chuch.

 

[heady blunts]

has anyone gotten rosin from cbd flowers tested yet?

I'm curious to see if the process can efficiently extract the cbd and if the rosin will have a similar cannabinoid ratio as the starting material.

I've heard talk of cbd not being localized in the trich head and thus solvent extraction being necessary to get cbd out of plant tissues, but I'm hoping if some of the hypotheses of what is physically/chemically happening with the heat and pressure prove true rosin may provide the right conditions to extract cbd...

 

[blastfrompast]

I am finding that with hash, any residual moisture leads to autobuddering when pressing... ie Rosin wax.

I have 2oz of hash I plan on pressing in the next couple of days, it is seperated into 3 batches based on moisture content. All the samples are vac sealed in the freezer.

What I have noticed after doing 3 quick 1g presses last night is moisture = autobuttering, which makes sense.

The bone dry sample produced a dark clear extract.....but yield suffered a bit... The one with just a touch of moisture left produced the most rosin...

The one that I could still squeeze the hash and produce water.....well it made straight up light yellow wax and some tasty steam that condensed into water(collected in parchment)....the water had a super fragrant taste/smell....

So some moisture seems to be required, but too much leads to wax.... the middle sample was slightly opaque...but the most tasty..

Temps in the 220's

 

[EsterEssence]

Blast are you using bubble hash? I mainly have been using kief which is as dry, but still steams. I have a light dimmer switch hooked to a plug so i am going to work on some cooler temps with the hair straightener till i burn up another one...

 

[slowandeasy]

Gonna have to read it bro. Many many factors in yield. 10-20% flowers. 30-85+% some people claim with sift or wash.

Nobody that I'm aware off has done any analytical to test for contamination. I would probably cost a pretty penny for a lab to set up the test but I keep meaning to make a call to see the possibility and cost.

So poor yields and possible contamination. Thats 2 strikes. So people are making bubble or dry sift first, then pressing it? That sounds like double the work. I have also noticed a lot of people doing a gram or so at a time......that is timely. 20% return would be worth it, but 10% is a waste of my time! Too any variables. Has anyone Been consistent?

 

[blastfrompast]

consistant is easy....

even tiny 1g presses I have yielded between 0.9-0.6 depending on the hash.

Get your heat dialed in and your tek...then choose your consistancy....

Or put it in a custom machine and do 10g presses and yield 6-7g consistantly of golden rosin..

Hash washing machine takes the work out of it.

Want Rosin wax....press it with some moisture still in it... done and done.

Nucleation needs h20....add some h20 and get budder/wax....watever you wanna call it.

I prefer a bit higher temps than some are doing....>200

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

you dont need moisture to make paste. i just heard buddy used freeze dried material and got instant paste at low temps.

20% return would be worth it, but 10% is a waste of my time! Too any variables. Has anyone Been consistent?

for sure its perfectly consistent, i get repeatable results over and over. A strain that will produce 10-12% will always get that much well pressed, and a strain that gets 18-22% will always get the same percentage when properly extracted. I measured one strain in presses like 3 or 4 times and got the exact same % yield(was around 19%). my highest yields have been around 23%, but i have heard some things will do over 25, and close to 30%

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

What I have noticed after doing 3 quick 1g presses last night is moisture = autobuttering, which makes sense.

this will hold true for some strains, but not others. this is highly strain dependant. and also other things unknown as of yet. here is an interesting example. I pressed a strain 3 days in a row, in the evening, and every morning left out it turned to a white paste, fully pasted and really soft. but a few days later, same strain, quite damp still, it didnt paste up overnight. so i think it may be the terpene balance change/ loss moreso than water moisture alone that affected the buddering. terpene content and types effect buddering, and also the temp the terpenes reach for how long, can cause them to paste, as well as to actually change into other terpenes.. its probable the terpene conversion will inhibit or promote a specimen to budder.

 

[blastfrompast]

did it eventually autobudder on your.

My thing is I can produce wax every time...doesnt matter strain so far...tried 5 that I have avail....all bubble hash mind you.

If there is moisture in the hash....it will wax up during pressing....every time...

no moisture = clear consistancy that stays that way...at least for a 5 days...which is the most a sample has lasted around my place.

I am curious about your strain theory tho and I have a buddy who is cropping some old school bubbakush.... Since he wants to use my washing machine I will press some of that hash and see what happens...

Dollars to dognuts it will wax up during press if there is moisture in the hash still

nucleation needs moisture wax and particles right.... 25micron screen will let a tonne of debris thru... Add all 3 together and you get BUDDER/WAX immedietly as long as you don't use stupid amounts of heat.

 

[Sunfire]

Since I don't watch hash church anymore i.may be behind the times but I have a new idea of what's going on which is very simple and will explain the matrix stability and some of the cause and effect we are seeing. I have to make a little diagram and snap a pic first though, that will be easier.

I have gotten budder from bone dry flowers after a few days. It's been about ten days leaving all the flower samples sit out. They have all buddered a little and some completely. The flavor has changed and I don't like it!!! Noticeable terpene loss. Not a sacrafice I'm willing to make just so the product isn't as "sticky."

The cbd I'm unsure of but roji is pulling cbd without hydrocarbons.

I just tumble the trim and press the kief, it's super easy and when I have been doing qp presses it's really efficient and easy. #onepoundonepress coming in two weeks or so hopefully depending on free time I have.

Got court with the PAC today. I'll come back and post later.

 

[Sunfire]

this will hold true for some strains, but not others. this is highly strain dependant. and also other things unknown as of yet. here is an interesting example. I pressed a strain 3 days in a row, in the evening, and every morning left out it turned to a white paste, fully pasted and really soft. but a few days later, same strain, quite damp still, it didnt paste up overnight. so i think it may be the terpene balance change/ loss moreso than water moisture alone that affected the buddering. terpene content and types effect buddering, and also the temp the terpenes reach for how long, can cause them to paste, as well as to actually change into other terpenes.. its probable the terpene conversion will inhibit or promote a specimen to budder.

good post! Well worded! Think it's possible ambient air temp played a role in your experiments?

I will be trying a 20 and 10 micron secondary filtration after the 20 micron primary. So sit tight folks I'll let you know if I see a difference.

can't wait to get crazy with analytical testing this fall/winter!

Great posts everyone! Science just happened here, I'm tingling!

 

[heady blunts]

roji is doing solventless cbd extractions using rosin tech? or other methods? I'd love a link!