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Italiano! Welcome to the rosin thread my friend!
Blastfrompast - I'm with you, I intend on spending thousands at the lab to get numerical answers. Right now though is just trying to dial in the press design and I did the flower experiments because I had some time and was curious. I still need to post up those results, maybe later tonight when its not balls hot. I have met the owner of sequoia analytical in sac. I'm sure I can get good deals for R&D in the future. The terps thing is tripping me out, I'll post that all later.
EsterEssence - all the clear rosin pics I've seen are from insanely good fresh dry sift. Keep in mind though that most pics you see on ig are closeups and the product is very thin. It may not be so clear when its penny thick. I'll have a lot of fresh research material soon. Lots of fresh frozen and lots of dank trim to tumble.
I'm going to post a screen shot that shows why paperless is the way to go. This is rediculous, the amount of waste and prep time for so little product disgusts me!
I'm extremely busy with like 8 other things in my life right now. I'll come back asap and post of the flower press experiment and the sour D stuff as well. They will be long posts.
Blastfrompast - I'm with you, I intend on spending thousands at the lab to get numerical answers. Right now though is just trying to dial in the press design and I did the flower experiments because I had some time and was curious. I still need to post up those results, maybe later tonight when its not balls hot. I have met the owner of sequoia analytical in sac. I'm sure I can get good deals for R&D in the future. The terps thing is tripping me out, I'll post that all later.
EsterEssence - all the clear rosin pics I've seen are from insanely good fresh dry sift. Keep in mind though that most pics you see on ig are closeups and the product is very thin. It may not be so clear when its penny thick. I'll have a lot of fresh research material soon. Lots of fresh frozen and lots of dank trim to tumble.
I'm going to post a screen shot that shows why paperless is the way to go. This is rediculous, the amount of waste and prep time for so little product disgusts me!
I'm extremely busy with like 8 other things in my life right now. I'll come back asap and post of the flower press experiment and the sour D stuff as well. They will be long posts.
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Have you guys tried some of the clear, how did it taste, smell?
clear rosin, or clear like Horato makes 
I WOULD LOVE to try Horatio's work....
I WOULD LOVE to try Horatio's work....
Any of the clear, rosin or lho...
LHO is limonene hash oil and it will taste like limonene lol!
Idk what Horatio is doing but i follow roji on ig.
I think what most people are doing for solventless fractional is a rotovape so you don't decarb the thc. You can find RHH in the cmepol thread and one the old clear threads. He's been doing it for years with his lab in LA called "alpine." The problem with clear is that all the terps are lost. So one either has to do several steps in the fractional and reclaim all the terps at their seperate required temps, or just add back in purchased ones. From what I've seen most people just buy them and grey wolf had shared a company with great selection but I forget the name but I'm sure you can ask him. I'm not positive about any of this, I've never actually researched it.
Idk what Horatio is doing with his terps but I can't imagine taking dried trim and going through all that work, starting with fresh wet material would yield much more terps but idk how that would go with the thc isolation. I honestly have a feeling that there is solvent used, ethanol most likely, then a soxhlet style adapter is added to the rotovape and they can successfully remove all the solvent. Does it then qualify as solventless, or maybe you can just call it clear? I honestly have no idea, there doesn't seem to be much willingness to share outside of those circles and I havnt really cared to look into it but there's a good clear thread here on icmag and molecular fractional distillation is an old concept.
The clear looking rosin I'm sure has lots of terps. I'm wondering if pre pressing material is a good idea or not. It makes things a lot easier and more efficient but I'm wondering if it screws with the color because the trich heads are squished and ruptured, exposed to oxygen, but that would only be the surface. I've read conversations on the matter of pressing kief and water hash for long term presservation. Some say it's good and some say it isnt. That's another experiment I want to try. Pre press vs loose.
ROJI - SPILL THE BEANS BRO, can you do solventless and preserve the terps? What was the "different route" you said you had chosen. Is Horatio getting the terps off the original material or reintroducing terps from seperate material? Put me inline or I'll just keep spreading lies and misinformation lmao! Educate us...maybe squatting bull...you reading this?
Idk what Horatio is doing but i follow roji on ig.
I think what most people are doing for solventless fractional is a rotovape so you don't decarb the thc. You can find RHH in the cmepol thread and one the old clear threads. He's been doing it for years with his lab in LA called "alpine." The problem with clear is that all the terps are lost. So one either has to do several steps in the fractional and reclaim all the terps at their seperate required temps, or just add back in purchased ones. From what I've seen most people just buy them and grey wolf had shared a company with great selection but I forget the name but I'm sure you can ask him. I'm not positive about any of this, I've never actually researched it.
Idk what Horatio is doing with his terps but I can't imagine taking dried trim and going through all that work, starting with fresh wet material would yield much more terps but idk how that would go with the thc isolation. I honestly have a feeling that there is solvent used, ethanol most likely, then a soxhlet style adapter is added to the rotovape and they can successfully remove all the solvent. Does it then qualify as solventless, or maybe you can just call it clear? I honestly have no idea, there doesn't seem to be much willingness to share outside of those circles and I havnt really cared to look into it but there's a good clear thread here on icmag and molecular fractional distillation is an old concept.
The clear looking rosin I'm sure has lots of terps. I'm wondering if pre pressing material is a good idea or not. It makes things a lot easier and more efficient but I'm wondering if it screws with the color because the trich heads are squished and ruptured, exposed to oxygen, but that would only be the surface. I've read conversations on the matter of pressing kief and water hash for long term presservation. Some say it's good and some say it isnt. That's another experiment I want to try. Pre press vs loose.
ROJI - SPILL THE BEANS BRO, can you do solventless and preserve the terps? What was the "different route" you said you had chosen. Is Horatio getting the terps off the original material or reintroducing terps from seperate material? Put me inline or I'll just keep spreading lies and misinformation lmao! Educate us...maybe squatting bull...you reading this?
Ok let's do the first installment.
So first off when I mention temps, please keep in mind I'm using an induction hot plate and the temps it says are not accurate, especially for the size and thickness of plates I'm using. The manual says it can be up to 20 degrees off, which seems about right with my water pool tests. "210" makes the water barely get a few little bubbles after it sits for a while, which makes me think it's more like 180F. It seems to be more accurate at higher power levels. I'll try to guesstimate the temps as I go through here.
So first up was LA flowers that are atleast 4 months old and we're not stored well at all lol! I first moistened the shit out of them and did a few big presses, I have no evidence of that though. The product tasted moist and not good at all. Interestingly though is was instant budder and after 2 days it turned back into a soft shatter, which is crazy. So i do believe moisture now has an effect on the budder when its being pressed but don't ever add water to the rosin your trying to whip into budder, it's a bad idea. Don't whip it either but I'll get to that.
Then i took the LA flowers and only slightly remoistened them. I was using 4k psi and doing smaller presses. The product was certainly sticky a little bit. I left all the samples sit out and they are not nearly as sticky on the top side but when you peel pack the ptfe film they are still sticky underneath. All of the sames were like this. I started off at "180" which didn't yield hardly anything but the color and smell was glorious and it got smoked lol!. Then i did one at "210" which boils water after about ten seconds, then "230" which boils water after about 5 seconds, then "250" which boils water after 2 or 3 seconds, then "2800" which boils water instantly, then I did "320" just for the hell of it. The first pic is of these samples. The smaller one on the top is the 210. Then the right side is of the long strip is 230 going up to the left. In between the 230 and the 250 I did a press unfiltered. It yielded much more and I forget if I did 230 or 250 so I stuck it in the middle there, I'm pretty sure it was 250. The color of the 210 was the best and that sample buddered up nicely after 2 days sittings out. The 230 and 250 are good color. 280 and 320 are darker and stickier for sure so I assume there was some decarb there. I was just pressing with the ptfe film so the heat I'm sure transfers straight through. The pic is through two layers of the ptfe but I'm sure you get the point. The second pic is of the 210 sample not through the film, it's yummy! I was only getting about a 10% return, the unfiltered obviously yielded much more, all the samples were pressed evenly to a penny thickness. I didn't crunch the numbers on that one but I bet it's closer to like 15%.
So first off when I mention temps, please keep in mind I'm using an induction hot plate and the temps it says are not accurate, especially for the size and thickness of plates I'm using. The manual says it can be up to 20 degrees off, which seems about right with my water pool tests. "210" makes the water barely get a few little bubbles after it sits for a while, which makes me think it's more like 180F. It seems to be more accurate at higher power levels. I'll try to guesstimate the temps as I go through here.
So first up was LA flowers that are atleast 4 months old and we're not stored well at all lol! I first moistened the shit out of them and did a few big presses, I have no evidence of that though. The product tasted moist and not good at all. Interestingly though is was instant budder and after 2 days it turned back into a soft shatter, which is crazy. So i do believe moisture now has an effect on the budder when its being pressed but don't ever add water to the rosin your trying to whip into budder, it's a bad idea. Don't whip it either but I'll get to that.
Then i took the LA flowers and only slightly remoistened them. I was using 4k psi and doing smaller presses. The product was certainly sticky a little bit. I left all the samples sit out and they are not nearly as sticky on the top side but when you peel pack the ptfe film they are still sticky underneath. All of the sames were like this. I started off at "180" which didn't yield hardly anything but the color and smell was glorious and it got smoked lol!. Then i did one at "210" which boils water after about ten seconds, then "230" which boils water after about 5 seconds, then "250" which boils water after 2 or 3 seconds, then "2800" which boils water instantly, then I did "320" just for the hell of it. The first pic is of these samples. The smaller one on the top is the 210. Then the right side is of the long strip is 230 going up to the left. In between the 230 and the 250 I did a press unfiltered. It yielded much more and I forget if I did 230 or 250 so I stuck it in the middle there, I'm pretty sure it was 250. The color of the 210 was the best and that sample buddered up nicely after 2 days sittings out. The 230 and 250 are good color. 280 and 320 are darker and stickier for sure so I assume there was some decarb there. I was just pressing with the ptfe film so the heat I'm sure transfers straight through. The pic is through two layers of the ptfe but I'm sure you get the point. The second pic is of the 210 sample not through the film, it's yummy! I was only getting about a 10% return, the unfiltered obviously yielded much more, all the samples were pressed evenly to a penny thickness. I didn't crunch the numbers on that one but I bet it's closer to like 15%.
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So next up was the blue dream fresh flowers. They were dried to the point where you can still squeeze them and they didn't crumble, I little more moist then the LA remoistened flowers.
First press and pic is 250F. It was sticky and smelled great. It started to budder up a little right away do I decided to help it and put it on a hotplate at around 115F and whipped it. Every time I whipped so much smell came out which isn't good. Now the budder is noticeably less tasty then the original form it was in. The second press and pic is a second press of the same blue dream bundle at "280." Noticeably darker and stickier. I was doing way bigger presses with these at 1k psi. Later I came back to do a third press at 320. A little was coming out but then the press broke but that was after I had already done the bone dry LA flower presses Thank god. The 280 second press is for sure sticky and not buddering up at all. I assume there's a good amount of decarb being pressed twice. First press yielded 1.8 grams and the second was just under 1 gram for a 12% total yield.
So then I did the LA bone dry but I figured this time I'd start at 280F. This is the third pic. It has started to get little bits of cloudy Ness in it but after sitting out for a few days it's for sure a soft shatter at night when its cooler. The surface is not tacky at all but the underside that is on the film is for sure stickier and more smelly when you peel it off. Once again I feel like sticky isn't always a bad thing. Then i repressed at 320F and it's a darker, much stickier mess and is the fourth pic. First press yielded 2.4 grams and second was .83 for a total of 11% return.
The bone dry flower samples were less sticky right off the bat. Idk if if it's just because moisture or terps or a combo of both. I honestly think they are tied together in a way but not as an absolute rule. I just did this experiment because ringo was saying he isn't getting shatter anymore. I still don't know if it's best to do one higher temp press or do two seperate ones for different grades, which of course the validity of such a practice is dependent on the operators desires. I still need to play with different pressures. That's about all the research from me for now. I gotta keep working on other things. I'll dry ice tumble all this fresh dank trim soon and build the larger press and rebuild the smaller one and hop on it but that won't be for atleast a week, probably more. Please do also notice that the penny thick samples look way darker then the ig style hash porn pics I posted earlier. Don't be sad if your rosin looks darker then the stuff you see online. Sticky and sappy i think is good if the terps are there, if the terps are absent then you have decarb.
The terps are tripping me out. The low temp BD sample doesn't smell like the flowers and and neither of those smell like the terpenes I isolated from fresh off the plant flowers. The LA smells the same across the board, super og kush smell. Now that the 250F BD sample has been buddered it smells.more like the flower but at first was way sweeter and a high end note. It was the same with the sour diesel. The super budder I accidently made didn't smell like the trim really. The terps I isolated from it didn't really smell like the budder or the trim. There's still a lot to be learned and I fully intend on figuring it out analytically one day.
First press and pic is 250F. It was sticky and smelled great. It started to budder up a little right away do I decided to help it and put it on a hotplate at around 115F and whipped it. Every time I whipped so much smell came out which isn't good. Now the budder is noticeably less tasty then the original form it was in. The second press and pic is a second press of the same blue dream bundle at "280." Noticeably darker and stickier. I was doing way bigger presses with these at 1k psi. Later I came back to do a third press at 320. A little was coming out but then the press broke but that was after I had already done the bone dry LA flower presses Thank god. The 280 second press is for sure sticky and not buddering up at all. I assume there's a good amount of decarb being pressed twice. First press yielded 1.8 grams and the second was just under 1 gram for a 12% total yield.
So then I did the LA bone dry but I figured this time I'd start at 280F. This is the third pic. It has started to get little bits of cloudy Ness in it but after sitting out for a few days it's for sure a soft shatter at night when its cooler. The surface is not tacky at all but the underside that is on the film is for sure stickier and more smelly when you peel it off. Once again I feel like sticky isn't always a bad thing. Then i repressed at 320F and it's a darker, much stickier mess and is the fourth pic. First press yielded 2.4 grams and second was .83 for a total of 11% return.
The bone dry flower samples were less sticky right off the bat. Idk if if it's just because moisture or terps or a combo of both. I honestly think they are tied together in a way but not as an absolute rule. I just did this experiment because ringo was saying he isn't getting shatter anymore. I still don't know if it's best to do one higher temp press or do two seperate ones for different grades, which of course the validity of such a practice is dependent on the operators desires. I still need to play with different pressures. That's about all the research from me for now. I gotta keep working on other things. I'll dry ice tumble all this fresh dank trim soon and build the larger press and rebuild the smaller one and hop on it but that won't be for atleast a week, probably more. Please do also notice that the penny thick samples look way darker then the ig style hash porn pics I posted earlier. Don't be sad if your rosin looks darker then the stuff you see online. Sticky and sappy i think is good if the terps are there, if the terps are absent then you have decarb.
The terps are tripping me out. The low temp BD sample doesn't smell like the flowers and and neither of those smell like the terpenes I isolated from fresh off the plant flowers. The LA smells the same across the board, super og kush smell. Now that the 250F BD sample has been buddered it smells.more like the flower but at first was way sweeter and a high end note. It was the same with the sour diesel. The super budder I accidently made didn't smell like the trim really. The terps I isolated from it didn't really smell like the budder or the trim. There's still a lot to be learned and I fully intend on figuring it out analytically one day.
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I keep revisiting trim...I prefer the fuller flavor vs water washed in some ways....texture is more pull and snap vs the shattery stuff also...no autobuddering issue either as the trim is bone dry pretty much.
Lately I have been bundling them up in parchment with one side open, and then folding that packet into some parchment, and squeezing the rosin out the open side. I don't mind wasting trim as I am getting on 75% of what I should be....but I can do 2g trim presses manually this way....Quick way to make Rosin on the go....I bring my vice press, bag of trim and some parchement and I'm golden.
Good way to show people what you can do without a SOLVENT and 50 bucks worth of HW.
Hilarious as shit to dab out a bunch of 50yr old dudes...lol
Lately I have been bundling them up in parchment with one side open, and then folding that packet into some parchment, and squeezing the rosin out the open side. I don't mind wasting trim as I am getting on 75% of what I should be....but I can do 2g trim presses manually this way....Quick way to make Rosin on the go....I bring my vice press, bag of trim and some parchement and I'm golden.
Good way to show people what you can do without a SOLVENT and 50 bucks worth of HW.
Hilarious as shit to dab out a bunch of 50yr old dudes...lol
50? lol yourself. my group of buddies are all near 50 or older, have dabbed hardcore for a decade, and my dad is 69. i guess you could say we might dab you under the table
hashmasta:
LOL yeah...I'm not a decade shy of 50 myself... Not sure about dabbing me under the table but your welcome to try if you ever head east to the butthole of canada..MB
LOL yeah...I'm not a decade shy of 50 myself... Not sure about dabbing me under the table but your welcome to try if you ever head east to the butthole of canada..MB
I'm more than a decade past 50, have been smoking sense you guy's were pup's...
I'm past 60. Been smoking every day for almost half a century. I just ran out of a pack of 300 papers that I bought at the end of May. So, about 300 joints a month, plus hash, plus rosin, plus bong hits..... and, I'm still not even high yet. LOL
Any of you young pussies want to try to smoke me off..... bring some friends to carry you out. LMAO
Any of you young pussies want to try to smoke me off..... bring some friends to carry you out. LMAO
A few clerical errors, what did you mean to say with "am I getting on 75% what I should be"? You mean only 75 percent? As in you designed press yields 4 times what the hair iron and vice does?
What does HW? Stand for? Hard work?
Lmfao that would be a hilarious future, people are toting bags of trim and hair irons instead of bags of buds, oh how the times change.
dude what's up with you work, you gonna start production soon? You learning to weld yet? Too bad your in canada or I'd strap a satchel of freshness to a pigeon for you!
wow now guys, I'm sure everyone smokes a lot, it's not a race, I'll gladly finish last if it makes any of you feel better. Started smoking flowers again with the fresh harvest, wow dabs over spring time blew my tolerance up sky high. I can actually smoke about a whole gram of flowers in one day if I try, I'm proud of that. Ten joints a day ringo, Jesus man you should take a month off, or do it like Chong and start ooping RSO pills hehehehe!
EsterEssence you've been smoking since before I was born!
Oh and btw, was playing with the different ptfe (8 mil skived vs 2 mil sintered) and scoped them too. They both are very glossy and slick. The 2 mil is surprisingly strong but not quite as strong and the oil slick sheet. They both stretch. They both are incredibly hard to focus on with a 100x scope, had to find dust and such to focus on. The skived oil slick sheet had some micro scratches but the both look extremely smooth at that magnification. I'd say just for packaging the 2 mil sintered will work fine, especially at half the price and 1/4th the amount of material used over all (trying to go for simple and more sustainable packaging). Maybe I'll order some 4 mil sintered one day. The 15 mil sintered I ordered will make a great dab pad or work top because I'm not going to try pressing with ptfe anymore. It does weird shit where it stretches where the material sits. The film turns clear and see through with doesn't happen by just stretching it in your hands. Also I was told by one of the worker bees at the factory that you can heat form ptfe with low heat. Well that's not going to work with high pressure and idk how it turned clear but something ain't right.
So i havnt used a washing machine in years and have never done fresh frozen in a machine. Any links to good current threads or any tips? Fill wash bag half way? More water then ice but maintain constant ice layer floating on top? Any one ever try dropping in a few big chunks of dry ice? Sub zero fresh frozen shouldn't be called ice wax, it's ice shatter hehehe!
HPO FTW
have you tried stardawg, or the starlet kush?
if not, i bet i could get you really ripped and loving it. i have been smoking for around 40 years, and this stuff is one of the strongest things i have seen since roadkill skunk in the early 80s.
http://www.virtualsunhydroponics.com/virtual-sun-20-gallon-8-bag-herbal-ice-extracts-bubble-kit
Holy cow, 70$ for a 8 bag 20 gallon set and 100$ for a 32 gallon set, what has the world come to. For the price I'll just get these and deal with longer drain times. Best deal I could find for the extended mesh sides design was 250$ for a 8 bag 20 gallon.
And yes that was rosin related, or atleast it will soon be.
Holy cow, 70$ for a 8 bag 20 gallon set and 100$ for a 32 gallon set, what has the world come to. For the price I'll just get these and deal with longer drain times. Best deal I could find for the extended mesh sides design was 250$ for a 8 bag 20 gallon.
And yes that was rosin related, or atleast it will soon be.
No, I have not tried them but they just went on my list. LOL
The Cinderella 99 I harvested a while back has a wonderful taste. I do get a little something after my 5 joints, 6 cigarettes and 7 cups of coffee that I have in the morning when I wake up. The trees seem to shimmer a little. LOL
Northern Lights x Big Bud wasn't too bad. The Critical 2.0 sucked. The Super Silver Haze had a nice taste and, at least, it didn't make me sleepy. LOL
I'll find my huckleberry. LOL Just need to try a couple hundred more strains. LOL
Thanks for this Roji! Im just catching up today....
Thinking about getting a pneumatic press and just heating some plates like foundation extracts was doing before they got the real deal thing going with APE I believe.
I am all about this shit until I can get my hands on High Purity Hydrocarbons from a trusted certified supplier, I am converted 100% to dabbing this lovely stuff.
