New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[Sunfire]

I'm fucking depressed you guys. The prior arts search for a patent turned out to be a huge waste of 2 grand. It doesn't reflect anything filed less then 3 years ago, that was so fucking dumb why didn't the lawyer tell me that before!

Been playing with the induction plate. It has its ups and downs for sure but it's super fast so I will continue to use it.

The skived ptfe is just as I thought it would be, stretchy. I might go ahead and order some thicker sintered ptfe after I inspect the 2 mil when it gets here.

Ringo - idk if the sticky stuff is bad, it could be from moisture but it could be from terps too. Live rosin is always sappy ass weird looking stuff.

I was playing with some flowers yesterday and it was discouraging. I think that world will be for ape and blast from the past. I'm going kief only high production. I'm going to play some more with the flowers today though. We will see what I can come up with but it's pretty damn discouraging to deal with all the prep work and only yield a few grams. Plus, flowers is clearly different. I think it needs a higher temp. My life is a flipping mess right now. Hopefully in a few weeks I can really sit down and figure out the rosin game.

 

[billy_big_bud!]

thanks for all your hard work and efforts sunfire. it is appreciated by the community.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

i pressed a strain recently that yields your typical extract, as well as further out from the bud, it has something like an essential oil! its a clear non sticky liquid that reeks of some terpene or other. quite remarkable i thought. been pressing for a few months now and thats the first time i saw that, and it wasnt overly fresh or damp either, but still not completely dry.

 

[Limeygreen]

I think this is moving the right direction, having a somewhat refined automated dry sift process, then using this crude dry sift to get the rosin instead of having to take the huge amount of time to clean the dry sift to the level of 95% or cleaner. Why I think this is better is because you could theoretically process huge amounts of dried flowers into a final product of similar quality to fully cleaned dry sift, at least my assumption is that it is of similar quality. Now I have seen your comments on breeder steves instagram but I believe this is the direction some folks are moving if not yourself already, automated heat press of the dry sift would make ungodly amounts of rosin and that would be fantastic, no more solvents far less risk of problems with this process and the ability to scale it up to a huge commercial level would mean high quality would still be attainable wand yield could turn out to be a secondary concern (budwieser vs guiness if I would.)

I'm fucking depressed you guys. The prior arts search for a patent turned out to be a huge waste of 2 grand. It doesn't reflect anything filed less then 3 years ago, that was so fucking dumb why didn't the lawyer tell me that before!

Been playing with the induction plate. It has its ups and downs for sure but it's super fast so I will continue to use it.

The skived ptfe is just as I thought it would be, stretchy. I might go ahead and order some thicker sintered ptfe after I inspect the 2 mil when it gets here.

Ringo - idk if the sticky stuff is bad, it could be from moisture but it could be from terps too. Live rosin is always sappy ass weird looking stuff.

I was playing with some flowers yesterday and it was discouraging. I think that world will be for ape and blast from the past. I'm going kief only high production. I'm going to play some more with the flowers today though. We will see what I can come up with but it's pretty damn discouraging to deal with all the prep work and only yield a few grams. Plus, flowers is clearly different. I think it needs a higher temp. My life is a flipping mess right now. Hopefully in a few weeks I can really sit down and figure out the rosin game.

 

[Sunfire]

I think this is moving the right direction, having a somewhat refined automated dry sift process, then using this crude dry sift to get the rosin instead of having to take the huge amount of time to clean the dry sift to the level of 95% or cleaner. Why I think this is better is because you could theoretically process huge amounts of dried flowers into a final product of similar quality to fully cleaned dry sift, at least my assumption is that it is of similar quality. Now I have seen your comments on breeder steves instagram but I believe this is the direction some folks are moving if not yourself already, automated heat press of the dry sift would make ungodly amounts of rosin and that would be fantastic, no more solvents far less risk of problems with this process and the ability to scale it up to a huge commercial level would mean high quality would still be attainable wand yield could turn out to be a secondary concern (budwieser vs guiness if I would.)

You can never get all the trichs off the raw material though. It's a sacrafice for larger yielding presses. Flowers and trim will always give you a larger return in the long run and from playing yesterday and today I think flower presses are more terpy and hence more sticky. There's a lot of love still in the flower than can never be tumbled out. Flowers I think would be great for at home but sift for larger production.

I like breedersteve. We have talked about a lot more than rosin and he's a cool guy. I havnt heard a word about the screw presses in a while except for apparently bubbleman was talking about a 12k$ one, probably the same one steve is working on. However, I guarantee you if you start doing large presses and see how the product acts and experience a lot of failure with things that seemed like great ideas, you'll understand why the screw press design will not work well. Quality will actually decrease greatly, over all return will as well. Currently no one that is sharing the info has used sift with one and Steve himself said that would take some modifications. Precise control over the temp of the screw and housing would for sure tack on a heavy increase to the price. Some extremely well fitting ptfe seals would need to be on the peaks of the screw shank. Those seals might not last long grinding against the inside of the metal housing. The product doesn't just go where you want it to under pressure, it goes wherever it can, it's called fountain flow. It's like when your pouring some condensate into a seperatory receiver of some sort, as the water and oils hits the surface on the side, the oils rise back up the wall of the glass against the flow of the condensate being poured in. Filtration is a while other issue. These are things that I'm sure can be addressed but will come at a heavy price. If steve gets it figured out though I'll buy one for sure lol!

What myself and a few other I know are working on is more affordable. Some for at home personal, some for collective production. The ape/aqualabs press will probably be in the middle somewhere.

from everything I've seen, as you increase production scale you lose some quality and quantity on the return. This is mostly a surface area thing. More smaller presses would be better. I'm having a really hard time imagining and automated system that can get low micron filtration without seizing up or decarbing a lot of product. I remain hopeful though. I'm waiting for when some one developes a laser that just knocks the trichs off.

all the samples from today are in the freezer from flower experiments. The skived ptfe I'm still unsure about, it stretches alot under high pressures, was doing 4k psi. I'll take pics and do color and stickyness comparisons soon. I can for sure say that too much moisture leads to sticky product. You can hear a slight sizzle on the nail and almost taste the moisture. I'll play with bone dry flowers tomorrow plus a press of some super fresh off the vine that was almost dry before I bagged it up.

 

[Kanah bosem]

Your awesome sunfire. Can't wait to see what what it looks like. I was playing with some kief last night and made a pretty decent amout of rosin. Thanks for all your work and help it made some beautiful meds

 

[Limeygreen]

There seems to be a lot more to this than I had realized, I will await your press in the future and go from there, thank you fro sharing your knowledge and experiences.

You can never get all the trichs off the raw material though. It's a sacrafice for larger yielding presses. Flowers and trim will always give you a larger return in the long run and from playing yesterday and today I think flower presses are more terpy and hence more sticky. There's a lot of love still in the flower than can never be tumbled out. Flowers I think would be great for at home but sift for larger production.

I like breedersteve. We have talked about a lot more than rosin and he's a cool guy. I havnt heard a word about the screw presses in a while except for apparently bubbleman was talking about a 12k$ one, probably the same one steve is working on. However, I guarantee you if you start doing large presses and see how the product acts and experience a lot of failure with things that seemed like great ideas, you'll understand why the screw press design will not work well. Quality will actually decrease greatly, over all return will as well. Currently no one that is sharing the info has used sift with one and Steve himself said that would take some modifications. Precise control over the temp of the screw and housing would for sure tack on a heavy increase to the price. Some extremely well fitting ptfe seals would need to be on the peaks of the screw shank. Those seals might not last long grinding against the inside of the metal housing. The product doesn't just go where you want it to under pressure, it goes wherever it can, it's called fountain flow. It's like when your pouring some condensate into a seperatory receiver of some sort, as the water and oils hits the surface on the side, the oils rise back up the wall of the glass against the flow of the condensate being poured in. Filtration is a while other issue. These are things that I'm sure can be addressed but will come at a heavy price. If steve gets it figured out though I'll buy one for sure lol!

What myself and a few other I know are working on is more affordable. Some for at home personal, some for collective production. The ape/aqualabs press will probably be in the middle somewhere.

from everything I've seen, as you increase production scale you lose some quality and quantity on the return. This is mostly a surface area thing. More smaller presses would be better. I'm having a really hard time imagining and automated system that can get low micron filtration without seizing up or decarbing a lot of product. I remain hopeful though. I'm waiting for when some one developes a laser that just knocks the trichs off.

all the samples from today are in the freezer from flower experiments. The skived ptfe I'm still unsure about, it stretches alot under high pressures, was doing 4k psi. I'll take pics and do color and stickyness comparisons soon. I can for sure say that too much moisture leads to sticky product. You can hear a slight sizzle on the nail and almost taste the moisture. I'll play with bone dry flowers tomorrow plus a press of some super fresh off the vine that was almost dry before I bagged it up.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Thanks Sunny. I am about ready to run some more so I want to get my ducks in a row and try to narrow down the parameters for my particular setup. Temp is a big variable. I hate this sticky ass shit. It gets everywhere. I have done some that came out so nice and crisp and other runs that came out so sticky that I ended up throwing most of it away with the parchment.

i have figured out which strains will pick up easily, and which will not. you know the greasy ones, the ones you touch the bud and your fingers get slimey, not sticky? those will yield gooey oil. the buds that are super sticky resin coated, give a yield thats easy to remove from parchment.

I found with gooey oil strains, if you have a frozen slab of something you can take out of the freezer and have nearby, you can place a parchment with the gooey stuff on it and let it cool, it then picks up almost as easily as a sticky resin strain. I have had the gooey resin spread out super thin and pretty much unremovable on parchment before doing the cooling method.

 

[Sunfire]

Yeah a 12"x12" marble tile at home depot is only 3$. They are about 1/2" thick. I got 6 of them to stack up for longer lasting cold plates. 3 sets of 2 or 2 sets of 3 stacked up.

Freshness will contribute to stickyness for sure. I think all my flower presses are going to be pretty sticky. I noticed something strange. The best color and most productive was the press I did unfiltered. I've always wondered if pushing it through a filter might be effecting something. Maybe it just allows for the product to not run away from the heat as fast?

I give mad props to the flower pressers. I was only getting like a 10% return which is lame. I'm sure the filter sucked up a lot though. Gathering off the ptfe is a PITA For sure.

don't wait around on my account. My design is pretty much going to for sanitary large presses of kief. Flowers and trim will work but honestly for smaller scale and home use, a hair iron and a table vice sounds like the most affordable way to go about it. Blastfrompast is working on a custom smaller design that he says has "automated collection" and is paper free. Yall need to give him some words of encouragement because just like myself, he's been running into a lot of issues and his design sounds superb for smaller at home presses.

 

[sourpuss]

Table press and clothes iron??? Sorry but don't wanna read 80 pages.... First thought was to place the iron on the vice till the whole vice heats up to a proper temp and press the parchment?? Any advice would be appreciated

 

[Sunfire]

No that's a huge waste of energy. Take your filter bundle, put it in the paper, then put that in the hair iron, then rotate sideways with the fold of the parchment facing down. Then you use the table vice/hobby vice to squeeze the hair iron. An arbor press will work too but ESTERESSENCE (where are you buddy?) Discovered that the vice technique works well as the product will run down and gather in the fold making collection easier. Not all will run down to the fold but much will.

 

[EsterEssence]

I haven't done much lately, except smoke it regularly. I am wondering if i hook a rheostat in in the circuit with the hair iron i can experiment with some lower temps. I still think the vertical works best for kief bundles to get the rosin away from the heat as quick as possible...

 

[blastfrompast]

Screw parchment..

 

[blastfrompast]

machine directed the rosin into the container and everywhere else along with blow-outs at every turn... well at least started to on our first proto-type...then we went way outside the box to figure out how to get it all deposited in the container with no waste, and a couple of other issues.

There is more to the machine that just dripping thru a plate sadly..lol I just took that pic at then tail end of a 5g hash press to show the last bit dripping...vs the majority FLOWING.

I will say I have a new respect for pressure and its effects on our favorite plant.

 

[whadeezlrg]

good stuff blast!

 

[blastfrompast]

Sadly greed has turned this project into a 1- off WORKIGN proto-type now..

I remember why I hate this biz now....people aren't happy making a nice chunk of change, they want to RAPE the consumers....and I'm not prepared to do that.

 

[whadeezlrg]

^^^I often feel the same way...but there are still some good folks in this industry, that aren't desperate to make a name for themselves all the while stepping over anyone in their way

 

[Sunfire]

Holt shot blast you went high tech! Lmfao thats awesome. I can't wait to hear how you handled containment with that design. You did something clever to overcome the fountain flow and direction issues.

 

[Dready_jake]

Soft serve hash oil. Sign me up blast! Lol jk I'm broke. I still haven't bought a hair iron for this yet. Can't wait to get back to work again. Being broke sucks ass.

 

[blastfrompast]

Back on track and back Under budget..
Might even have a name for the beast if the dream comes to fruition.

I can't wait to chop a light and work with some fresher material.

Fresh frozen rosin