New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[Sunfire]

can anyone verify if rosin has more medicinal value than rick simpson oil?

Rso is all about decarb. My design will allow the user to purposely decarb heavily if they choose. Rosin is so new (not really but it's staggering popularity is new) that there's not too much analytical evidence and science but ape and I are working on it.

We will be about the patients, keeping it in heir hands at affordable prices.

 

[Sunfire]

sorry to divert but i knew someone here could answer and i thought it wasteful to start a thread for a simple question. i have a bunch of high grade shake and i want to collect the best keif. what size screen should i use if i am only buying one size?

I'm a sift noob but a research junky. My research has led me to believe 150u is what you want, another person confirmed this a few pages back and that's what most tumble companies sell stock. My personal experience has shown atleast go as low as 180, 220 is too big. This is also dependent on the strain. Heavy indica have way larger heads than sativas.

 

[Sunfire]

I would have to think that it will be dependent on the terprenes that are present in each product...

Thank god your alive bro! I get nervous when you don't post for a few pages, don't want to lose you on this thread.

 

[Sunfire]

Is there any proof that rosin is stronger?? Any side by side comparisons with the same material and test results to show at the end?? Thanks.

If you troll around ig and other places you can see a lot of people's analytical results. It's all dependent on many factors. A super high grade 20-30k+ closed loop system could make more potent bho in a single pass, potentially. But why the hell would you do that? My largest design, I want to call the "kilo crusher" will hopefully be around 5k. It's simpler, safer, and potentially way more productive. It's all about starting material and process but for the investment in equipment, rosin will be more efficient and higher quality.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Is there any proof that rosin is stronger?? Any side by side comparisons with the same material and test results to show at the end?? Thanks.

for me, i know for sure, due to my own useage tests. I can tell for sure this is the best potency extract i have ever used, and i have been doing purification processing on marijuana since about 1984.

the proof is in a group of people i associate with, about 6 or so that all totally agree and could tell immediately the superiority of the effects achieved with heat press extract compared to BHO. All of these people were avid bho users for at least a decade, and all agree and could tell right away how much better heat press is. If done well the flavor can be superior, and even done poorly, the stone is superior. And not saying that age is a huge factor, but the range of individuals involved in this bio-assy are all veteran users, some of them going back to the 60's(their marijuana use). So the range of experience is fairly vast, and as i mentioned, all participants have been avid bho users for around a decade.

THere have also been those "tests" you speak of done, they show very high levels of terpenes, much higher than possible with any other method.

Another thing to consider, is that when you heat press, you aren't doing a molecular re-arrangement of the extract constituents. Butane changes the trichome heads' essence in ways most of us do now know at all. I feel this may lead to the better qualities in heat press extract, as well as the extra terpenes.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

If you troll around ig and other places you can see a lot of people's analytical results. It's all dependent on many factors. A super high grade 20-30k+ closed loop system could make more potent bho in a single pass, potentially.

what do you mean by more potent kemo-sabe?

if you mean higher thc levels, i dont think thats a good measure of potency. it just measures total thc. the heat press extract will have a higher terpene content, gives it the win for potency, and also that molecular re-arrangement i was talking about..

 

[Sunfire]

What does kemo-sabe mean again? Wrong brother or something?

Yes I meant higher analytical numbers. Yes it's starting to be proven then terpenes have a synergistic effect with the thca, thc9, cbd, and cbn.

A properly ran sub zero cls with inline dewaxing can produce higher numbers. The terpene loss is in the ovens but if you violate kenny ' s patent you can collect them in the cold trap and reintroduce them.

There's a lot of ways to skin the cat but rosin is for sure the most efficient.

 

[snake11]

If you troll around ig and other places you can see a lot of people's analytical results. It's all dependent on many factors. A super high grade 20-30k+ closed loop system could make more potent bho in a single pass, potentially. But why the hell would you do that? My largest design, I want to call the "kilo crusher" will hopefully be around 5k. It's simpler, safer, and potentially way more productive. It's all about starting material and process but for the investment in equipment, rosin will be more efficient and higher quality.

Random results do not equal scientific testing. Someone would need to use the same herb process both ways and then get both tested. Random tests of rosin do not show that it is more potent then bho.

 

[snake11]

for me, i know for sure, due to my own useage tests. I can tell for sure this is the best potency extract i have ever used, and i have been doing purification processing on marijuana since about 1984.

the proof is in a group of people i associate with, about 6 or so that all totally agree and could tell immediately the superiority of the effects achieved with heat press extract compared to BHO. All of these people were avid bho users for at least a decade, and all agree and could tell right away how much better heat press is. If done well the flavor can be superior, and even done poorly, the stone is superior. And not saying that age is a huge factor, but the range of individuals involved in this bio-assy are all veteran users, some of them going back to the 60's(their marijuana use). So the range of experience is fairly vast, and as i mentioned, all participants have been avid bho users for around a decade.

THere have also been those "tests" you speak of done, they show very high levels of terpenes, much higher than possible with any other method.

Another thing to consider, is that when you heat press, you aren't doing a molecular re-arrangement of the extract constituents. Butane changes the trichome heads' essence in ways most of us do now know at all. I feel this may lead to the better qualities in heat press extract, as well as the extra terpenes.

Your evidence is anecdotal. Six people is a small study group. I would get more evidence before making such huge claims. How does butane change the trichome essence? How do you KNOW it can get higher terps than any other methods. Making absolute statements without proof is foolish.

 

[EsterEssence]

Kemo- sabe from the original lone ranger meant trusted scout...
I cannot say that rosin better than bho cause i have never tried it, but folks that have tried my rosin prefer it to bho...

 

[whadeezlrg]

you know, the edit function is very useful in making it so every page isn't 40 posts from one person, especially when many of the posts are a single sentence. it makes it very tough to read...

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Your evidence is anecdotal. Six people is a small study group. I would get more evidence before making such huge claims. How does butane change the trichome essence? How do you KNOW it can get higher terps than any other methods. Making absolute statements without proof is foolish.

butane is a solvent. it dissolves the molecules and reassembles them to some degree. i am not a chemist, but i have heard a chemist speak on the matter. he was quite sure it doesnt just strip it off the plant. its more of a solvent than a paint stripper, if you follow me.

i am not making statements from a position of foolishness, i can assure you. just because i do not cite all my sources doesnt really matter to me, because i dont care if you believe me or not. in time, the truth will shine so brightly you cant help but know. its not my job in life to help you see the light, you will have to go searching, or believe what you want in ignorance

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Yes I meant higher analytical numbers. Yes it's starting to be proven then terpenes have a synergistic effect with the thca, thc9, cbd, and cbn.

starting to? its like ten years old this stuff bro, about that.

thc is lame by itself. the more and better terpene stew with it the better your stone.

 

[snake11]

butane is a solvent. it dissolves the molecules and reassembles them to some degree. i am not a chemist, but i have heard a chemist speak on the matter. he was quite sure it doesnt just strip it off the plant. its more of a solvent than a paint stripper, if you follow me.

i am not making statements from a position of foolishness, i can assure you. just because i do not cite all my sources doesnt really matter to me, because i dont care if you believe me or not. in time, the truth will shine so brightly you cant help but know. its not my job in life to help you see the light, you will have to go searching, or believe what you want in ignorance

If the butane disolved molecules into a big soup how would it reassemble them into the correct cannabinoid molecules?? I am not a chemist but what you are saying makes no sense to me.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

i am not a chemist either, but this guy is. go to 1:23:00 in this video link, you will see bubbleman for one minute, then at 123:57 the next guy comes in, the chemist. his first statement very simply states his take on it.

i have heard him go on at length on these hashchurch's, and he knows his shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT_kskJs1OE


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also if you go to 133:00 you get a great description of how heat press/ rosintech works, everyone check that out if you didnt check that part.

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but part of the description it missing actually. In a previous thing he said in an older church, he mentions that some terpenes act as solvents as well, its even more descriptive, at 3:30:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XiEfAw9zR0

 

[Ras Mason]

isn't it simply a polarity change that has to be addressed?
peace.

 

[snake11]

i am not a chemist either, but this guy is. go to 1:23:00 in this video link, you will see bubbleman for one minute, then at 123:57 the next guy comes in, the chemist. his first statement very simply states his take on it.

i have heard him go on at length on these hashchurch's, and he knows his shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT_kskJs1OE

So I heard him give no evidence. He just claims that butane "scrambles them". And leaves a footprint. Most scientist I have met back up their claims with evidence. I hope some of the chemist on this board pipe in.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

graywolf is one of the chemists on this board, but he doesn't frequent this thread..

i dont think he was trying to prove it to anyone in that statement, it wasnt a thesis. if you listen to this guy at length, you see he has a lot of knowledge. i am not sure his credentials, i dont care to look it up, but i am sure you could find out.

and but yeah like i said, i dont actually care what you believe. if you have doubts, go do the research, i am satisfied with my bioassays to a huge degree.

 

[snake11]

graywolf is one of the chemists on this board, but he doesn't frequent this thread..

i dont think he was trying to prove it to anyone in that statement, it wasnt a thesis. if you listen to this guy at length, you see he has a lot of knowledge. i am not sure his credentials, i dont care to look it up, but i am sure you could find out.

and but yeah like i said, i dont actually care what you believe. if you have doubts, go do the research, i am satisfied with my bioassays to a huge degree.

So you post that bho rearranges cannabinoid molecules and reassembles them, then provide no evidence. You don't care about your chemist sources credentials. Then you state if you have doubts you do the research. Wow. Do some homework before spreading lies.

 

[Sunfire]

you know, the edit function is very useful in making it so every page isn't 40 posts from one person, especially when many of the posts are a single sentence. it makes it very tough to read...

I like to do it like this because it shows direction of the comment. Makes it seem more like a point by point arguement as opposed to a slew of responses in one post. I'm using a phone too.i still don't know how to put more than one edit in a post. Will you teach me if I even can with a phone?