That is like so 10 pages ago.
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you been squishing any nugs yet krunch? I know you were always about making the cleanest bho possible, shoot not even smoking flowers because of the dirty shit in smoke...seems like this would really be right up your alley. it's literally all I've been medicating with, I was always a bit reluctant to be a 100%bho consumer just because of so many potential unknown hazards/health risks that there simply isn't enough information on one way or another.
What I made didnt really wow me...
I have some good bubble I will try with, but broke the hair straightener...
I've been getting light colored oils from pressing flowers about .5 or so at a time rolled/smashed into little balls, hair straightener at the lowest setting, foil lined parchment, and so much pressure I feel like I'm going to pop a blood vessel and or a nut lol and 7 solid seconds...the more moist the flowers are the better, check my ig, I have a shot of the stuff I've been squeezing outta the XXX.
here is something I've been thinking about, would need to find out what temperature range the plates have, what the minimum clearance between the plates is, and potentially alter the lever/pressing mechanism to get more pressure/leverage etc.
http://www.webstaurantstore.com/dough-xpress-dms-18-manual-pizza-dough-press/325DMS18.html
and this http://www.webstaurantstore.com/dou...tilla-press-15-x-15-220v/325TXM15 220.html
and this one as ell, although it seems like the potential force/pressure could be more of a limiting factor on this particular model http://www.webstaurantstore.com/dou...tilla-press-16-x-20-220v/325TXM20 220.html
here is something I've been thinking about, would need to find out what temperature range the plates have, what the minimum clearance between the plates is, and potentially alter the lever/pressing mechanism to get more pressure/leverage etc.
http://www.webstaurantstore.com/dough-xpress-dms-18-manual-pizza-dough-press/325DMS18.html
and this http://www.webstaurantstore.com/dou...tilla-press-15-x-15-220v/325TXM15 220.html
and this one as ell, although it seems like the potential force/pressure could be more of a limiting factor on this particular model http://www.webstaurantstore.com/dou...tilla-press-16-x-20-220v/325TXM20 220.html
The third one is you best option, will be more pressure but it's 220V and it's expensive. Errlectric and Dnail are supposedly going to release the same exact thing in 4-6 weeks. It's just a tshirt press with a bottom heated plate. But why the hell would you pay all that money? After tax and shipping my short press was only 290$ just get a 16 gauge piece of stainless sheared into a 15"x15" to put on top of the silicone pad. Close the lid and let the top plate heat the stainless sheet for a minute. A little extra patience I think is worth the grand you'll save.
I talked with the guy from ape multiple times for a total of close to 5 hours yesterday. We might team up in the near future, we will hopefully have both our designs out on the market in a month, maybe more.
The more I talk to people the more it's agreed that the screw press design has many problems. They arnt testing herb on them over in germany. I fear when steve gets his prototype, it may work but nor well. Too much uncontrollable heat, masceration, there's going to be a lot of filtration and decarb issues, and the thing will clogged as shit because the product will flow all over every warm surface inside. Trust me when I say the product does weird things and has a mind of its own and doesn't like to be told what to do. It seems to simply to spread itself out over every warm surface regardless of angle.or position.
I talked with the guy from ape multiple times for a total of close to 5 hours yesterday. We might team up in the near future, we will hopefully have both our designs out on the market in a month, maybe more.
The more I talk to people the more it's agreed that the screw press design has many problems. They arnt testing herb on them over in germany. I fear when steve gets his prototype, it may work but nor well. Too much uncontrollable heat, masceration, there's going to be a lot of filtration and decarb issues, and the thing will clogged as shit because the product will flow all over every warm surface inside. Trust me when I say the product does weird things and has a mind of its own and doesn't like to be told what to do. It seems to simply to spread itself out over every warm surface regardless of angle.or position.
if you look a bit close, you can clearly see the third machine has no form of mechanical advantage in the press, ad therefore has the least potential force of any of the three models.
these are not shirt presses, they have heated plates on the top and bottom, and are made with food grade materials to food grade standards- very different from a shirt press.
time is money, I don't plan on missing out on a dollar because I was so worried about a penny I dropped... those presses are designed to press out up to 400 pizza crusts in an hour...if a person could run an oz in a single press, it would not be that far reached to assume that the press could run up to 100 or so 1oz presses in 1 hour...so roughly 7lb/hr potential with a system that doesn't need modification to work. I personally would never even come close to having enough material to get backed up with the capability of running that much material.
I personally don't see what difference having an appliance that runs on 120v to one that runs on 240v other than the cost of materials is less for a 240v circuit...same power consumption with the only difference being the amperage draw.
I spent a while tossing around other ideas, hydraulic, etc...then I realized something, 99% of people that fail do so because they are trying to reinvent the wheel..."don't reinvent the wheel, re-purpose the wheel" at this point of modern technology just about any simple concept such as pressing something in between heated plates. people have done it before, chances are some company paid a butt load of cash to a team of engineers that are much more knowledgeable on the subject than any of us to work out the details and get it right. not to say there isn't room for progress, but that there may already be a few viable platforms that are being overlooked.
these are not shirt presses, they have heated plates on the top and bottom, and are made with food grade materials to food grade standards- very different from a shirt press.
time is money, I don't plan on missing out on a dollar because I was so worried about a penny I dropped... those presses are designed to press out up to 400 pizza crusts in an hour...if a person could run an oz in a single press, it would not be that far reached to assume that the press could run up to 100 or so 1oz presses in 1 hour...so roughly 7lb/hr potential with a system that doesn't need modification to work. I personally would never even come close to having enough material to get backed up with the capability of running that much material.
I personally don't see what difference having an appliance that runs on 120v to one that runs on 240v other than the cost of materials is less for a 240v circuit...same power consumption with the only difference being the amperage draw.
I spent a while tossing around other ideas, hydraulic, etc...then I realized something, 99% of people that fail do so because they are trying to reinvent the wheel..."don't reinvent the wheel, re-purpose the wheel" at this point of modern technology just about any simple concept such as pressing something in between heated plates. people have done it before, chances are some company paid a butt load of cash to a team of engineers that are much more knowledgeable on the subject than any of us to work out the details and get it right. not to say there isn't room for progress, but that there may already be a few viable platforms that are being overlooked.
You guys don't like the idea of vulcanizers?
They have small units for jewelry that have platens about 5"x8" and they have larger units that are about 18 to 24" in diameter.
The large ones are pretty expensive. As much or more than the pizza press. But, the smaller ones are T-shirt priced at about $350 to $800.
I had a real good experience with the one I tried. I am definitely still looking for a deal on one.
They also have tire vulcanizers that have discs about 8" in diameter. Those would be ideal for a horizontal setup (albeit the platens are kind of small).
No problems with pressure. From a couple hundred pounds, up to 20, 30, 40 tons. Heat range is about right at 100F to 400F or more. So, the 250F-300F we want is right in the middle of the range.
C'mon... somebody beat me up. LOL
They have small units for jewelry that have platens about 5"x8" and they have larger units that are about 18 to 24" in diameter.
The large ones are pretty expensive. As much or more than the pizza press. But, the smaller ones are T-shirt priced at about $350 to $800.
I had a real good experience with the one I tried. I am definitely still looking for a deal on one.
They also have tire vulcanizers that have discs about 8" in diameter. Those would be ideal for a horizontal setup (albeit the platens are kind of small).
No problems with pressure. From a couple hundred pounds, up to 20, 30, 40 tons. Heat range is about right at 100F to 400F or more. So, the 250F-300F we want is right in the middle of the range.
C'mon... somebody beat me up. LOL
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^^^if you're in America, its 120v/240v fyi. if not, disregard that lol.
Michael Keaton in the movie Mr. Mom...... "Yeah, 220, 221. Whatever it takes." LMAO
I would have to run a 220/240 line. Everything inside is 110/120.
They have plenty of 120 units available. I'm just looking for the right deal. I really like that one in the first picture. The platens are too small for the commercial guys but it's perfect size for me. Meanwhile, I ordered 2 aluminum plates, 6"x6"x1/4". Should be here any day. With the PTC heaters, a couple aluminum blocks and my shop press, I should be ready for some testing soon.
Has anyone determined the best RH for pressing yet?
There were some posts earlier that 15% was too dry. I just pressed a Cindy99 bud that has been off the vine only 3 days and it yielded about what my cured buds do. Albeit, it was almost crystal clear and it did sizzle a tiny bit before I released pressure.
Just curious if anyone has dialed in that variable yet.
On the commercial/retail front, my personal press is ready for production. Instead of flat plates, I opted to go with a negative and positive mold. The mold design is, of course, a MJ leaf.
You plug it in and the unit heats instantly to a starting temp of 240F
You place your 1 to 2 gram bud in the middle of the mold and the unit immediately senses the RH of the material and determines the optimum temperature. The unit concurrently heats the mold to the exact temperature and holds it there while you squeeze the unit closed. The clamping device is similar to a "Vise Grip" wrench.
When you squeeze the clamp tight the rosin drips out of the mold via the tip of the marijuana leaf and runs right into your vaporizer (or collector dish).
Nicely packaged with free worldwide shipping we will be offering these for the amazingly low, and affordable price of $249.00. Or, 3 easy payments of only $89.99 per month.
The Canna-wRinger from Ringodoggie.
LMAO
I would have to run a 220/240 line. Everything inside is 110/120.
They have plenty of 120 units available. I'm just looking for the right deal. I really like that one in the first picture. The platens are too small for the commercial guys but it's perfect size for me. Meanwhile, I ordered 2 aluminum plates, 6"x6"x1/4". Should be here any day. With the PTC heaters, a couple aluminum blocks and my shop press, I should be ready for some testing soon.
Has anyone determined the best RH for pressing yet?
There were some posts earlier that 15% was too dry. I just pressed a Cindy99 bud that has been off the vine only 3 days and it yielded about what my cured buds do. Albeit, it was almost crystal clear and it did sizzle a tiny bit before I released pressure.
Just curious if anyone has dialed in that variable yet.
On the commercial/retail front, my personal press is ready for production. Instead of flat plates, I opted to go with a negative and positive mold. The mold design is, of course, a MJ leaf.
You plug it in and the unit heats instantly to a starting temp of 240F
You place your 1 to 2 gram bud in the middle of the mold and the unit immediately senses the RH of the material and determines the optimum temperature. The unit concurrently heats the mold to the exact temperature and holds it there while you squeeze the unit closed. The clamping device is similar to a "Vise Grip" wrench.
When you squeeze the clamp tight the rosin drips out of the mold via the tip of the marijuana leaf and runs right into your vaporizer (or collector dish).
Nicely packaged with free worldwide shipping we will be offering these for the amazingly low, and affordable price of $249.00. Or, 3 easy payments of only $89.99 per month.
The Canna-wRinger from Ringodoggie.
LMAO
Mechanical advantage? What are you talking about, did you see the lever, the other ones don't have any leverage.
I'm not going to go into detail but those are going to decarb your product like crazy, and not provide enough pressure at all. I've done a lot of experimentation, I've probably made close to a pound of rosin by now, you need atleast 1k psi but I'm not positive atleast will soon test the difference more properly between 500 psi, 1k psi, and 2k psi.
You'll save more money and waiting to buy a proper machine that has months or r&d behind it specifically for our purpose, but that's just my opinion.
Ringo show me a 20 ton one will you? Those screw style.presses don't look very high pressure?
I'm not going to go into detail but those are going to decarb your product like crazy, and not provide enough pressure at all. I've done a lot of experimentation, I've probably made close to a pound of rosin by now, you need atleast 1k psi but I'm not positive atleast will soon test the difference more properly between 500 psi, 1k psi, and 2k psi.
You'll save more money and waiting to buy a proper machine that has months or r&d behind it specifically for our purpose, but that's just my opinion.
Ringo show me a 20 ton one will you? Those screw style.presses don't look very high pressure?
LMAO.... well, I'm still working out the details. We are looking for release in late 2025. LOL
I was just kidding about all that.
I was looking at the 20 ton volcanizers, plates are too big. We need completely even heating at what I think 1k psi. I've been thinking about it mathmatically as far as decarb is concerned. I think For 20 ton you want a 7" diameter circle to achieve that, but the circle concept I have going is only theory and needs testing. The ape owner (idk if he'd like me naming him) and myself have already gone too far down our paths to turn back. I talked with him about my circle concept and numerically it sounds good for minimum decarb however I don't know what will happen when its actually attempted and I'm sure there will be lots of r&d. I think achieve this point we are both going to release our designs seperately and then I hope to work with him on a circle design combining the best of both worlds for our designs. I'm not sure yet if I want to modify the frames or just sell the plates and containment system as a kit which would keep the cost down. Pretty much it would be for the DIY folks who want to rip out production with sift. His design will have less decarb and be much easier to operate and can press flowers all day. My design can press flowers, I tried it, but wasn't that successful. I'll try again when I double the pressure and see what happens. I think I'll have 2 sizes as I'm thinking 2k psi might be more appropriate. I just need more material to test a few more things, wanna get a spot welder maybe to really customize stuff. The process is kinda, well, a process, and I'm trying to make it more efficient and easier by saving a few seconds here and there in prep.
sunfire- do you think all these 115lb girls that are standing on their hair straighteners are producing 1000psi over the straightener plates? I think more pressure = better, but 1000psi seems like it could be a bit much when considering how much pressure we are currently implementing with body weight and no mechanical advantage.
I put my straightener in a vice and squeeze the hell out of it...
I agree that more pressure is better to a certain point, but the oil literally travels into the areas of low pressure ie: the voids in between the heated plates caused by the thickness of the pressed nug. my point being that there could be a point of diminishing returns in terms of pressure because as pressure increases, the low pressure voids decrease in area and can in theory no longer allow for the oils to displace at a more natural unobstructed rate...it is also possible that provided starting material remains intact and placement of individual nugs/teabags is ideal, this high pressure/low void concept could actually make collection much easier; Ideally this would involve some sort of custom machined pressing plates...also just another theory.
I think it's very necessary to figure out what pressure is ideal, need to test variance of return & quality across multiple different pressures, pressing times, heat, etc....it would be nice to be able to press on glass just to be able to observe the flow of oils.
I think it's very necessary to figure out what pressure is ideal, need to test variance of return & quality across multiple different pressures, pressing times, heat, etc....it would be nice to be able to press on glass just to be able to observe the flow of oils.
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There might also be variations between strains: I'm just watching aoutta curiousity but can't imagine an airy Sativa being the same as a thick purple alien OG in terms of technical pressing details. Idk I love shatter and would like to try this as j harvest soon
very soon when I land some fresh material, I will tell you where the line of efficiency lies with pressure. The theory is that more pressure will make more internal heat, allowing the external plate heat to penetrate the desired temp to the middle faster. This let's us then think about the variable as to how thick the material can be before you lose efficiency on return, but also, the balance of decarb over production. It's also possible that perhaps the greater pressure will allow for less heat in general to be used which will reduce decarb. There's also the factor as to whether more pressure will make more or less waxes come out or more or less other constituents of the material relating to analytical potency and color.
