Not sure if you've ever tried anything from Green Dot Labs but they're considered to be one of the best processors in Colorado, their stuff flies off the shelf at 60/g and IMO all the rosin I've made so far is just as flavorful and good as anything I've ever tried from Green Dot. I think I posted the Rainbow Kush I pressed a couple pages back and that was THE most flavorful concentrate I've ever bought/made/or had.
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Not sure if you've ever tried anything from Green Dot Labs but they're considered to be one of the best processors in Colorado, their stuff flies off the shelf at 60/g and IMO all the rosin I've made so far is just as flavorful and good as anything I've ever tried from Green Dot. I think I posted the Rainbow Kush I pressed a couple pages back and that was THE most flavorful concentrate I've ever bought/made/or had.
So at 75* plates at 5 ton nothing, 10 ton nothing, at 15 ton blowout of screen and parchment paper pic 1.
Pic 2 is the rosin collected, but still thick on the parchment, so it is darker.
Pic 3 is just out of the vise before i collect it, lighter color.
I am using pressed and unpressed dry sift of a couple different grades, at different temps and it is all going darker.
Pic 2 is the rosin collected, but still thick on the parchment, so it is darker.
Pic 3 is just out of the vise before i collect it, lighter color.
I am using pressed and unpressed dry sift of a couple different grades, at different temps and it is all going darker.
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I'm thinking 3 grams in one pile is too much. Maybe that's why your getting such low yields. I also feel like the ss screen is robbing your heat and the material will press into and clog up the pores maybe? I want to refine a technique with pre Pressed pucks so you don't have to use a screen to seperate the contaminants.
I feel like having the product overlap would be a good thing because it would be thicker at those points. The product is going to run away from the pressure. I'm not positive though and that will for sure be one of my experiments when I get the press in the mail next week.
What thickness and size plates are you using of what kind of metal? I'm not understanding exactly, are you saying the lower temp and higher pressure made the product darker? Please good sir, more details. How hard are you pressing the kief, are you pressing it into any specific shape? That looks like a lot of rosin in pic 2, was that from one press? Color could be a reflection of the starting material; when the product was harvested, how old it is, how it was dried and cured, and how it was stored, type of strain, and so forth.
Would you mind maybe trying to bump the heat of the plates up to 120F. Then again at 150F?
I could see higher pressure leaching more chlorophyll and plant matter and waxes if the material wasn't bone dry first.
I feel like having the product overlap would be a good thing because it would be thicker at those points. The product is going to run away from the pressure. I'm not positive though and that will for sure be one of my experiments when I get the press in the mail next week.
What thickness and size plates are you using of what kind of metal? I'm not understanding exactly, are you saying the lower temp and higher pressure made the product darker? Please good sir, more details. How hard are you pressing the kief, are you pressing it into any specific shape? That looks like a lot of rosin in pic 2, was that from one press? Color could be a reflection of the starting material; when the product was harvested, how old it is, how it was dried and cured, and how it was stored, type of strain, and so forth.
Would you mind maybe trying to bump the heat of the plates up to 120F. Then again at 150F?
I could see higher pressure leaching more chlorophyll and plant matter and waxes if the material wasn't bone dry first.
I was using 1.5 grams of pressed kief in the press experiment. I will have to get a toaster oven or similar to have in the shop to heat the plates. The plates are 1 inch thick steel. The ss screen seems to trap less than the silkscreen.
The temp doesn't seem to make a difference in color only yield. The hobby vise puts a good squeeze on the hair straighter. but i have no idea how hard it is pressing.
Pic 2 was a few presses i collected.
The raw material was harvested last year in sept-oct dried and cured until i stared tumbling in dec-jan once i get the kief i keep it cold until i use it. The material is extremely dry and stored that way...
The temp doesn't seem to make a difference in color only yield. The hobby vise puts a good squeeze on the hair straighter. but i have no idea how hard it is pressing.
Pic 2 was a few presses i collected.
The raw material was harvested last year in sept-oct dried and cured until i stared tumbling in dec-jan once i get the kief i keep it cold until i use it. The material is extremely dry and stored that way...
Herbal Wisdom
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All these hair ironing companys are sitting at there desk right now, wondering if there is a new trend with women and ironing hair. Lol
Gj ester! So many people don't store they're material right. I have a little shack in the shade that has dehumidifier on inside of it 24/7 that's dedicated to material storage. I think in future though, as it seems to me like rosin IS the future, I'll immediately di kief my material so reduce volume dramatically and vacuum seal and store in a freezer. Half of my material that I recently ran in cls has been coming out pretty dark still. 6 months is a long time lol!
So I had an idea to use like a 20 mesh screen, underneath a 25 mesh screen. The idea is to lift the material up to give it room to run out underneath. If it worked, then you seriously layer the entire press surface with material. The bitch would be getting the 20 mesh screen seperated from the material.
From what I have gathered, too much heat will for sure darken the color, I mean that's how it with bho as well.
Where are you located about? I have a toaster oven to donate to your research!
So I had an idea to use like a 20 mesh screen, underneath a 25 mesh screen. The idea is to lift the material up to give it room to run out underneath. If it worked, then you seriously layer the entire press surface with material. The bitch would be getting the 20 mesh screen seperated from the material.
From what I have gathered, too much heat will for sure darken the color, I mean that's how it with bho as well.
Where are you located about? I have a toaster oven to donate to your research!
Ok so more experiments 1.5 gram hair iron at 350 this time.
Pic 1 pressed #2 hash with no screen, worthless mess.
Pic 2 pressed #2 hash with screen, rosin.
Pic 3 unpressed kief in silk screen rolled into ball.
Pic 4 Yield from unpressed kief, dark...
The best yield seemed to be from the unpressed kief rolled int a ball. my screens are starting to get clogged so i can probably up the yield with clean screens, not to mention everything is sticky...It seems if you give the rosin somewhere to run into it takes the path of least resistance, into the fold in the paper...
Pic 1 pressed #2 hash with no screen, worthless mess.
Pic 2 pressed #2 hash with screen, rosin.
Pic 3 unpressed kief in silk screen rolled into ball.
Pic 4 Yield from unpressed kief, dark...
The best yield seemed to be from the unpressed kief rolled int a ball. my screens are starting to get clogged so i can probably up the yield with clean screens, not to mention everything is sticky...It seems if you give the rosin somewhere to run into it takes the path of least resistance, into the fold in the paper...
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so i took 1.18 grams of same stuff i have been testing, it dried out to about 1.05, i took a bit out to make it an even gram. pressing it yielded a meagre 0.07 as opposed to .16 when nice and damp. the pucks weighed .88, indicating 0.05 grams of moisture was present. this seemed to extract about half as much as did .1 grams of moisture in previous tests.
http://www.amazon.com/Tools-QUICK-G...p/B001V61452/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8
Got something just like this from Home Depot, 600lb force, fast sliding up and down, then ratchets down. it's perfect for the hair straightener. So far I have been real happy with the pressure provided.
Got something just like this from Home Depot, 600lb force, fast sliding up and down, then ratchets down. it's perfect for the hair straightener. So far I have been real happy with the pressure provided.
Maybe a little wetter is better for the hair iron. Dude that told me he prefers to do it dry is using a t shirt press. Maybe more pressure helps the product run away from the material.
As far as the product following the path of least resistance, that was the basic concept for the machine I thought would be cool that was kinda like that Chinese pressing machine on that wackybags.com video. Rings of material that are pressed by a piston with an inverted cone underneath for the product to run out. Then you could just keep pressing rings and let the pile of product build up without cleaning parchment. Not cleaning up parchment would save a lot of time and I have been thinking how to accomplish that.
Ester, have you tried a lower temp for longer time like what kut was doing? 270F for 7 seconds? I'm going to run a panel of tests at 250F, 270, 290, 310, 330, and 350. Press will be here Tuesday or Wednesday, I cant wait!
As far as the product following the path of least resistance, that was the basic concept for the machine I thought would be cool that was kinda like that Chinese pressing machine on that wackybags.com video. Rings of material that are pressed by a piston with an inverted cone underneath for the product to run out. Then you could just keep pressing rings and let the pile of product build up without cleaning parchment. Not cleaning up parchment would save a lot of time and I have been thinking how to accomplish that.
Ester, have you tried a lower temp for longer time like what kut was doing? 270F for 7 seconds? I'm going to run a panel of tests at 250F, 270, 290, 310, 330, and 350. Press will be here Tuesday or Wednesday, I cant wait!
Rusty Lugnuts
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This technique is awesome. Has anyone noticed yield/quality differences between Indica/Sativa?
The guy off forum, that told me he's having great success with "dry as fuck" flowers on a t shirt press, said he's noticed that sativa requires less heat and gives better yield, maybe because it's not so dense? I told him to try to moisten the flowers a little and roll them into a tight little ball, never heard back from him!
my results with sativa and indica have been opposite in terms of yield. and as i mentioned, extremely dry sativa yielded 0, it would in a t shirt press too. but fairly dry the indica still yields, although yield goes down by about half.
i already mentioned what i think is maybe a good way a couple weeks ago on this thread somewhere, to make an extraction tube similar to one for bho, except it would be mounted, be super strong, have a piston like ram that would give pressure to the material inside the heated tube. it might just be a short tube with max. a quarter oz in it or something, but i envision maybe a hydraulic piston plunger press with an exit end the oil squeezes out of.
i already mentioned what i think is maybe a good way a couple weeks ago on this thread somewhere, to make an extraction tube similar to one for bho, except it would be mounted, be super strong, have a piston like ram that would give pressure to the material inside the heated tube. it might just be a short tube with max. a quarter oz in it or something, but i envision maybe a hydraulic piston plunger press with an exit end the oil squeezes out of.
Sound like an oil seed press, they also have screw presses.
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I just tried a few more samples with a new clean screen and a bigger vise. Only the one inch iron would go to 250*, with the 1 inch it is a bit tricky to get the whole little bag of kief. I did it a couple times with the parchment fold way below where the bag was so it could run down. The 2 inch iron says 310 on it's read out, but reads around 280* with the infared. I used 3 gram samples of kief and got around 1 gram rosin. I made a box to collect it in to keep track of all those pesky poppers. I collect it, put it in a piece of parchment and turn an iron on and as soon as i feel any heat i squeeze the piece of rosin and it spreads immediately. I got a better yield from the 280* larger iron, give it a few second squeeze release and squeeze it again worked good for me...
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Yeah ester that's bad ass you getting the "mad shatter" and you didn't have to pay gw 50k for the system lol!
So let's talk about pressing technique and time. Your saying you do 2 shorter presses? I feel as if one longer heavy press would be better to work the pressure and heat to the inside of the material bundle. Are you guys still going off the sizzle and the puff of vaper? Help me accelerate my learning curve now so I can get deeper into the experiments when the time comes!
Kut - I thought shallow rungs would be good for the surface area. Too thick of a material spool and the heat won't reach the center and the product will have to run through a lot of material to get to the outside. This is all theoretical. When the press gets here I will play with wider shallow pucks and taller thinner pucks.
So let's talk about pressing technique and time. Your saying you do 2 shorter presses? I feel as if one longer heavy press would be better to work the pressure and heat to the inside of the material bundle. Are you guys still going off the sizzle and the puff of vaper? Help me accelerate my learning curve now so I can get deeper into the experiments when the time comes!
Kut - I thought shallow rungs would be good for the surface area. Too thick of a material spool and the heat won't reach the center and the product will have to run through a lot of material to get to the outside. This is all theoretical. When the press gets here I will play with wider shallow pucks and taller thinner pucks.
I hear the first sizzle let the pressure off move the bundle a little and squeeze again till the vapor puffs.
there is no benefit to doing a two part press. may as well get 99% of it on the first press. if you dont go too hot it comes out golden still.
