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New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

Sunfire

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Lol that's not hash they're pressing dude. Herb is highly illegal in china.

I had an idea for a similar style machine but you need heat to run the product away from the material. All that steel would have to be heated to have your product run like in that video, and the while time you'd be burning away terps. My idea was clearly much smaller, and would use rings of material. You need surface area to push the product out of the material.
 

Sunfire

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Wackybags.com has some cool stuff but all over priced. I can get a 20 gallon bubble now for the price they want for a 5 gallon.

The co2 water hash machine is a great idea, but I can already stuff multiple bubble now machines in my freezer at -20F for fresh frozen.

Their tumble now is crazy over priced. Way back in this thread I posted my friends design for an automated 20 gallon dry ice kiefing setup that he was busting out atleast 20 pounds of kief a day and it was from scrap wood, a gifted 220 micron 20 gallon bag, a plastic tote, and a cheap sawz-all from harbor freight.

I'll make my own dry sift screens from the ss screen at utahbiodieselsupply.com that can go down to 5 micron but we don't need that low. The vibrators are a joke for large scale. I'm already working on a design to have huge screens inside a 22 cubic foot freezer at -20F with the entire rack of trays being gently shaken.

I do always love the Canadian hash making accents hehehe!
 

Sunfire

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A friend got a 40 or 50 ton press at harbor freight for under a grand for doing something with bearings, the cheaper ones usually run off a small air compressor rather than have an electric motor.

That size for that price, I'm sure is a manual pump style.

Idk cause in havnt played with one I don't want to blow a useless grand but maybe I'll get a press in the near future. I'm absolutely positive though you'll need heat surrounding the material being pressed to let the product run away from it.

I was thinking maybe use the preheated plates I was talking about but only heat them to about 150F. Then press the plates with the hydraulic press. As I said though the hand pump ones will take time to press and release and I don't want my terps burning away. I'll look into an electric one but at that price I know my homie can build me one with its own heated plates built into it.

Let me dial in the pressed puck and t shirt press ideas first. Then I'll try a cheap hydraulic jack and heated plates. I promise you guys I'll go full bore on these experiments. Within a month I bet I'll consult my buddy in the pay and get pricing on a custom, large, ss heated press, just the way we want it!
 

Jurred

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Pressed 1.1g of fresh sticky Skywalker OG and got .23g of oil back.

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Sunfire

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Good job ester!!!

I was going to just put the plates in my vac oven to warm them. I was thinking to warm them to about 150F so by time the press happens they might be around 120F. Enough heat to let the juices flow but nor burn terps for a nice long hard press!

...and nice pics jurred. That looks like great stuff!
 

Hashmasta-Kut

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the best parchment you can find. shitty ones will absorb the oil i found... i use whats called "Culinary/Chef Paper"

and yes it comes right up easily



but how did you find this?

i am not sure what "shitty" type you had, but i have tried two kinds, thicker(called premium) and thin and cheaper, and i weighed the sheets of the cheap stuff before and after use, and after removal of the extract, and i could get pretty close to 0.00 left. for example a typical sheet weight is around .78, and i can easily get it to .79 with a thorough extract removal, or maybe even .78 if i am really trying.
 

Sunfire

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Quilon is the way to go I believe. Ptfe sheets sketch me out! We don't need little bits of Teflon getting into our product that we smoke. You guys don't remember the whole thing about Teflon coated cookware causing cancer? Maybe the rosin will counter the cancer effect lol!

By shitty I bet he means the rolls of it that are 2$ a pop at your local grocer.
 

ThirdEyeVision

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I always thought quilon was toxic as well?

Anyway I went and bought some thinner parchment, specifically the Sprouts brand, I had been using the reynolds made in france one.

I had the same experience and Cannablis. It simply bled into the parchment as it absorbed it completely, making it impossible to collect. Rosin all over my hair straightener, oh well.
 

Hashmasta-Kut

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where is sprouts made? the stuff we have is an in store brand i think called compliments, and the paper is made in finland.

Quilon is the way to go I believe. Ptfe sheets sketch me out! We don't need little bits of Teflon getting into our product that we smoke. You guys don't remember the whole thing about Teflon coated cookware causing cancer? Maybe the rosin will counter the cancer effect lol!

By shitty I bet he means the rolls of it that are 2$ a pop at your local grocer.

ya well this was the cheap stuff at the local grocery store that i am calling cheap, not shitty, as i prefer it. i get great yield on one press with it.


So i have done my 1 gram test 4 times now with the same product and got the exact same results every time, well within i would say +- 0.01 grams. and the last time i did the test i only broke the gram up into 3 pieces roughly 0.33 each, and it yielded exactly the same as 5 pieces at roughly 0.20 each. i got 0.16 on first press 4 times in a row now, and around 0.01 to 0.02 on second press, which is beginning to look like a waste of time.
 

Infinitesimal

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fresh, cold pressed hash oil... whodathunkit?!??!?! pretty cool though.
 

Sunfire

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Yeah that's good marketing! "Cold pressed in small hand made organic batches with love." Omg we will have all the hippies dabbing in no time!

Gj on the numbers kut, I salute you. I wanted to tray that same experiment with size. I want to see how big of a puck can efficiently be pressed. I also want to try different formation. I got a tip from brother roji that he does lines. I was thinking of making a grid pattern. But I think small 1 gram pre Pressed kief pucks will be the best jam. Thickness and width and spacing on the parchment will be the first tests. Second will be time and and temp. Then I'll get a hydraulic press and try to work on colder presses. Luckily I got a few mason jars of all the same berry white kief coming to do r&d with. I got a few pounds of the same B buds (bogbubble) to kief out and play with too. It will be slow at first but I bet I get it figured out in a week or two. I won't sleep, I'm so excited!
 

EsterEssence

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I have been pressing 3 gram samples of kief in a stainless 50u screen and getting around .5 or so rosin. The rosin is darker than the bud pictures unless you get it really thin. I have a digital read out set at 310 the lowest it will go, and my infrared thermo reads close to the same. I squeeze it in a hobby vise and you can hear the sizzle, the tighter you squeeze the more it sizzles, so definitely the more pressure the better. I am waiting for the hair straightener to crack. I have cleaned the press, gonna have some lunch and try a cold press.
 

Hashmasta-Kut

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I also want to try different formation. I got a tip from brother roji that he does lines. I was thinking of making a grid pattern. But I think small 1 gram pre Pressed kief pucks will be the best jam. Thickness and width and spacing on the parchment will be the first tests. Second will be time and and temp. Then I'll get a hydraulic press and try to work on colder presses. Luckily I got a few mason jars of all the same berry white kief coming to do r&d with. I got a few pounds of the same B buds (bogbubble) to kief out and play with too. It will be slow at first but I bet I get it figured out in a week or two. I won't sleep, I'm so excited!

i thought about a line, but in the end rejected it. as i see it, when you squish a ball that has a wide enough spread pattern it doesnt overlap anything else, you get a better yield than if the spread patterns overlap. and when doing a line, there is less edge areas for stuff to leach out; in a way its like having a bunch of balls too close.
 

Infinitesimal

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i thought about a line, but in the end rejected it. as i see it, when you squish a ball that has a wide enough spread pattern it doesnt overlap anything else, you get a better yield than if the spread patterns overlap. and when doing a line, there is less edge areas for stuff to leach out; in a way its like having a bunch of balls too close.

that's why I wonder if scaling up production will lower the yield possibley to a point which limits the size of batches produced to like the craft market - which wouldnt be bad I guess... I still would like to see someone squeeze a kilo or something though :D
 

Hashmasta-Kut

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a machine could take bud material and make little balls out of it all the same size and feed them into a press en masse, or one at a time. or a person can make dry sift and that extracts large amounts really easily it sounds like.

got some interesting observations. I have been trying two strains, one is a highly sativa dominant called breeder steves' 92 cutting of sweet skunk((which has other origins than what you might think supposedly) and its a very lanky sativa that is producing around maybe 10-12% for me so far. However, it produces on par in BHO extraction(both can yield nice high numbers like 25% or so) with the other strain i have been testing more thoroughly heat pressing, which is yielding closer to 20%. So there is that, and also, i have tried samples of both pressed quite damp, and quite dry. I have pressed sweet skunk very dry and gotten 0 yield, however i just pressed a dry 0.22 nug of the indica leaner ogkush cross, and seemed to get the same yield i get pressing it damp. it seemed to yield 0.04 grams of extract, and 0 grams of moisture. i will have to test a full dry gram for more accurate numbers.
 

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