New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[Drop That Sound]

Or how about a press in which a camshaft rotates and pushes the plates(like pistons) in a radial configuration (like an old airplane engine) into the other plates, that is timed perfectly as in spins.

I bet if I really put my mind to it I could create the ultimate rosinator, and no it won't be a toy garbage truck with a hair straightener duct taped to the back haha

 

[Drop That Sound]

imagine this radial enginehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGKXdYCksAQ but geared down to rotate much slower with more torque, and an automated feeding system that feeds the paper in, drops the hash screen bags in.. and shoots them back out on to a conveyer belt to be harvested & inspected by robotic droids.

Would even have a distributor and use plasma or some other form of energy that instantaniously heats the plates and also cools them back down for the 30 seconds that the plate hits top dead center.

 

[_tessarecting]

Lol fuck human beings

 

[rosin709]

Hi folks. Tried rosin tech for the first time about a week ago. Just finished reading the past 12 months worth of posts (Sorry, couldn't do all 350 pages), lots of great knowledge being dropped here.

I thought I'd share my build so far. It's a Revlon hair straightener, with heating plates completely freed & wires lengthened. The plates are attached to a vise with tape (I know). I eventually deformed the plates from squishing too hard with the vise; tried using an aluminum grinder as an ad-hoc pressing surface, but as you can probably guess, the heat transfer was extremely poor.

Currently I'm using some steel angle as a pressing surface -- again, mostly jury-rigged with tape, so it's important to be patient and keep the vise closed between pressings in order to retain heat.

I've got some 4" aluminum pucks and cartridge heaters on the way from eBay; this will do in the meantime, but if there's anyone else out there who's wondering, nice wide angle iron is a reasonably cheap alternative that can be cut to size at home with just a hacksaw and some patience. I think JB-Weld in place of the tape would make for a nice semi-permanent, low-cost setup.

Highest yields I've gotten so far:

21.5% on flower (white widow)
40% on kief (bag shake medley dry-sifted through 86 mesh)

 

[Lyfespan]

Makes me wonder what the environment is for most people. Does anyone monitor the environment in their pressing room?

I spend a fortune making sure the environment is perfect in the grow room and the curing tent, but never gave much thought to the press being in my shop with the furnace, and that being the hottest and driest part of the house.

Sure made a huge difference to me. I just pressed breakfast and got well over 10%.... again. Who would have guessed.

i have been watching the RH/temp of my press area as well as the RH of my materials. this is kinda imperative for stable product, unless youre going to toss it in an oven

 

[DoobieDuck]

Pardon my ignorance on this topic! I researched my ass off for hours today and I cannot find any info on Rosin vs Cannabis oil for cancer treatment. What up with that.

I find the rosin press manufacturers and many other sites saying how clean it is compared to butane, alcohol extractions. But nothing on if anyone is using it to treat cancer like they are with oil. Dosage..ingestion..anyone know anything about this. Appreciated...DD

 

[heady blunts]

hey DD glad you're looking into rosin. it's a great concentrate!

in terms of treating cancer directly and/or the side effects of chemotherapy rosin can replace any form of concentrate in established protocols.

most rosin is between 700mg and 800mg total active cannabinoids (TAC) per gram (70--80% by volume on lab tests).

(if you don't have access to lab testing i find it helpful to search through SC labs' analytical database to get a sense of the general parameters of a given concentrate or cut or whatever. here's the emerald cup concentrates entries for example.)

when properly made, the majority of cannabinoids in rosin are still intact in their acid form. for most cancer treatment protocols, you will need to further decarboxylate your rosin after pressing to make it bioavailable for ingestion and certain topical applications.

keep in mind as you remove the carboxyl groups to adjust your numbers accordingly. fully decarbed rosin will be in the 600--700mg/g (delta-9 THC) range.

also important to note for some patients with compromised respiratory systems, rosin is NOT dewaxed or defatted, it's a raw product and may not be appropriate for certain patients to dab without further refinement. those patients generally are aware of their sensitivity and seek out dewaxed absolutes and distillates for their concentrate needs.

SO as an example say you have some lovely rosin that tests at 75% THCA or 750mg/g

THC + (THCa x 0.877) = Total/Max THC

after decarboxylation your should theoretically expect the oil to be at 657.75mg/g or about 66% delta-9 THC.

the cancer fighting protocol i'm most familiar with prescribes 1000mg THC per day for 60--90 days. to achieve this you'll need to ingest about 1.5 grams of decarboxylated rosin per day.

if you haven't already, check out this great thread: treating cancer with concentrates.


HTH!

 

[DoobieDuck]

hey DD glad you're looking into rosin. it's a great concentrate!...HTH!

Wow Heady @heady blunts thanks so much. Appreciated greatly sir. I've been helping my siss-in-law with oil and what was supposed to be terminal liver cancer. She was told she wouldn't last a year.
Well that could have been true as when they started chemo on her, 100lbs frame, she lost 25 more lbs and almost died, was hospitalized.

She quit chemo, quit sugars, and we started Rick Simpsons regiment. She then went to a low maintenance dose of oil. That was over a year ago and she has gained weight and is now back to work.

But they are now seeing a spot on her lung. We are considering using rosin now for her. Again thank you...DD

 

[heady blunts]

that's an inspiring story! she sounds tough as nails.

gray wolf has lots more first hand experience treating cancer. i might shoot him a PM about the dewaxing issue if your sister is considering vaping/dabbing with the lung spot.

i have been playing with the idea of winterizing rosin for just such a situation, but without a patient in need it seems crazy to refine a solventless oil with a solvent wash haha.

 

[DoobieDuck]

.....
gray wolf has lots more first hand experience treating cancer. i might shoot him a PM about the dewaxing issue if your sister is considering vaping/dabbing with the lung spot.

i have been playing with the idea of winterizing rosin for just such a situation, but without a patient in need it seems crazy to refine a solventless oil with a solvent wash haha.

Heady she has no plans of vaping or inhaling at all, just ingesting. We'd stay with oil that's been so helpful but giving the laws now and making oil in Cali thus my seeking something else. Truly appreciate all your help and I'm sure other will as well. DD

 

[Gray Wolf]

Pardon my ignorance on this topic! I researched my ass off for hours today and I cannot find any info on Rosin vs Cannabis oil for cancer treatment. What up with that.

I find the rosin press manufacturers and many other sites saying how clean it is compared to butane, alcohol extractions. But nothing on if anyone is using it to treat cancer like they are with oil. Dosage..ingestion..anyone know anything about this. Appreciated...DD

I suggest that you winterize the rosin, and then it will be about equal to winterized BHO.

Cancer dosage is about a gram a day.

 

[DoobieDuck]

Thank you Gray Wolf. She has already gone thru a year of treatment with Simpson oil made with Everclear a gram a day. I'll look into winterizing..that's new to me too. One friend told me raw cannabis is best but I can't see where that would be concentrated enough. Unless one juiced it and drank a quart or two a day. Truly appreciate everyones help...DD

 

[Gray Wolf]

Thank you Gray Wolf. She has already gone thru a year of treatment with Simpson oil made with Everclear a gram a day. I'll look into winterizing..that's new to me too. One friend told me raw cannabis is best but I can't see where that would be concentrated enough. Unless one juiced it and drank a quart or two a day. Truly appreciate everyones help...DD

Winterizing takes out the inert plant waxes, which are just that and have no medicinal effect.

In removing the alcohol, some mono and sesquiterpenes are lost, which all do have medicinal effect.

When I asked Dr Melemede whether he thought using Clear in the cancer meds would be an improvement, he told me that he believed it would be less effective, because of the entourage effects of the total package.

IE: The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

I suggested winterizing as a method to establish equivalent doses, but you could simply do that to a sample to see what the ratio of inert ingredients is, and use that as your dosage guide on the rest of that batch of raw oleoresin dosage.

 

[DoobieDuck]

@Gray Wolf again many thanks Sir. I've been researching the "winterizing/dewaxing"..there's a lot of info on that out there. This I found interesting to my subject as it answers some of my potency and benefit questions.

http://mjbizdaily.com/marijuana-extraction-and-concentrates-trends-qa-with-expert-matt-gaboury/

This is just part of the article:
"Are there any other benefits of the rosin process or product?

"The quality of rosin is so much better than any other concentrate.

You have to be very talented to be a (butane hash oil) artist, to create something that retains terpenes. Terpenes give it the flavor, the nose, the smell, a lot of the entourage effect. But the rosin is much more terpenes.

A good BHO artist can keep those terpenes in there, but most of it on the market has almost all the terpenes removed, so it’s devoid of its original flavor or taste profile.

Whereas with rosin, since you’re literally just pressing that bud, it retains so much more of that, and the flavor and the smell is just exceptional. That’s why it’s currently a connoisseur product, because very few people are doing it, and it’s very high quality.

When you squeeze a sour diesel bud, it still smells and tastes like sour diesel. When you squeeze a raspberry bud, it still smells and tastes like raspberry. Whereas most other concentrates, you start to lose a lot of that, unless the producer is very, very good."

I'm hanging here any more info always appreciated....DD

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

All my butane extract tasted like the bud, except incredible lemony ones. Those terps evaporate so easily.

With that said i stopped that in march 2015. All heat press for me, and not just for terps, but also for the superior high as well, and mainly.

 

[0zymurgy]

re: Phoenix Tears
Rosin has too much terps that could negatively impact the taste profile.
Harshness in the flavor, and water soluble wax too. All things that are more effectively handled by QWET.

Rosin/Phoenix Tears - They are really at opposing ends of the cannabis spectrum ... one is for enjoyment, and one is for healing

 

[Babbabud]

guess it depends on who you are ... we are all put together differently .. rosin is very healing for me

 

[ReikoX]

All my butane extract tasted like the bud, except incredible lemony ones. Those terps evaporate so easily.

With that said i stopped that in march 2015. All heat press for me, and not just for terps, but also for the superior high as well, and mainly.

You must have made good BHO
When I first made my press and the rosin smelled exactly like the bud, it blew my mind. I picked up some Jilly Bean from the dispensary that presses out some loud rosin. It tasted like biting into a tangerine. That's good aromatherapy.

 

[EsterEssence]

Doing some drip tech today...

 

[TerpChild]

Thats weird Reiko i made super lemon haze bho and its so terpy that the lemon smell coming off the slab burns ur nostrils quite harshly.
Rosin is just a different experience, we should enjoy it in addition to bho and bubble! Thank God for sweet lady Mary!