New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[ChasingGreen]

FWIW, I have made edibles numerous times now out of Rosin Chips. It actually works, very well! I am very happy with my edibles made with chips. I use Coconut oil, and I must give some credit to my Nuwave induction stovetop! The brownies made last time were passed around to a few people before a concert. They made my brother in in law literally immobile. He had a few beers before he ate the brownie, 5 min after walking into the venue he started slurring his words and not making much sense. He was so messed up that he sat in the same position for the entire concert, passed out on the hill. He eventually puked and got up. Started to snap out of it once he got back into the parking lot. Another person wound up in the ER because of a Panic Attack. I have made chocolates from Coconut oil/Rosin Chips...very similar results. I gave a bunch to a friend to have some of his friends test them out. More than one person said "they were the strongest edibles they had ever eaten.". So I keep all my Rosin Chips, and grind them up in a coffee grinder...preheat my Nuwave to 250f and Coconut oil is brought to temp.I add in my ground material and simmer fir about20-30 min. I watch for bubbles to change. Let cool a little, then my other great investment was buying a Potato Ricer, I get MUCH more oil back. Most people wished they ate less, because they got really messed up. Nobody ate much, so they are potent if they effected people so intensely. I even get a good buzz from them. a couple friends go to or used to got to dispensaries. I have never gotten a buzz from any edible they bought from dispensaries, neither have they. They have lower tolerances too. My Brother gave some Rosin Chips for free to a girl he knows. She thanked him over and over. She loved them. She would just eat the whole chip. Gross...but she did it, and wants more. I love cooking with Rosin Chips, don't think I could eat them by themselves.

A) You should warn people when you give them such potent edibles!
B) 20-30 minutes huh? I usually go 8 hours. If you're getting that kind of results though, maybe I'm doing way overkill. I will try 30 mins - 1 hour next time.
C) What kind of Coconut Oil are you using? They have Unrefined, Refined, Virgin Unrefined, etc.

 

[ChasingGreen]

i like to extract the remaining oil in the pressed chips using ethanol.

then i decarb that concentrate for my edibles and topicals.

that makes dosage way more consistent IME.

extracting the chips straight to oil or glycerine has two issues for me:
1. low potency---i can fit way more MG per ML carrier oil using concentrates.
2. inconsistent potency---only way to judge the dosage is to send a sample of every batch to the lab, or guinea pig it on your day off.

my etoh extracts come out very consistent from batch to batch so i can assume an mg/gram range and use that to make consistent doses every time.

Why do you decarb the result? It was already decarbed when it was pressed, correct? I thought the point of a decarb is BEFORE you try to extract the THC, to make it extract at a higher rate?

Also, from what I understand, you're saying you make the concentrate in ethanol, let that evaporate, then add that concentrate to coconut oil for example?

 

[heady blunts]

properly made rosin is hardly decarb'd.

check out some analytical. or read the last couple pages where sunfire talks about thc-a content affecting texture.

the goal of decarboxylation is to make the product more bio-available. acid form cannabs are difficult to digest efficiently. it also improves the therapeutic benefits of topical formulations. and it allows for sublingual applications that have a similar onset, duration, and effect to smoking.

and yes i'm referring to the oil i produce using an ethanol wash extraction process.

 

[ChasingGreen]

properly made rosin is hardly decarb'd.

check out some analytical. or read the last couple pages where sunfire talks about thc-a content affecting texture.

the goal of decarboxylation is to make the product more bio-available. acid form cannabs are difficult to digest efficiently. it also improves the therapeutic benefits of topical formulations. and it allows for sublingual applications that have a similar onset, duration, and effect to smoking.

and yes i'm referring to the oil i produce using an ethanol wash extraction process.

Come on bro, you know I'm all up in this thread reading every post and contributing! After reading your post here though, Sunfire's post made a LOT more sense to me, including those numbers he posted. So when we make Rosin, we're extracting esentially pure THCa out, and it's not being converted to THC until it's dabbed?

Sunfire - For the results you posted 2 pages back, what temp were those flowers pressed at?

 

[KONY]

I wouldnt expect rosin to be decarbed, however I would expect the pressed patties to be somewhat decarbed, as they are sitting in ~200 degree temps for a minute under high pressure.

 

[heady blunts]

i know you've been active in this thread CG that's why i was surprised at the question!

ya i've seen ff hash rosin budder that tests with almost no decarb.

on the other hand, when i was pressing some older flower material that hadn't been well kept, i bumped up to 240--250*F, and i was seeing decarb rates of 25--40%.

even in that less-than-optimal situation, i still need to decarb the majority of the cannabs present in my etoh concentrate to activate for edibles/topicals

this is an old graph you've prob all seen and refrenced many times, but its helpful to refer to it when considering how much decarb is taking place between the heated platens.

the age of your starting material can play a role too. thc-a naturally degrades to thc with time and exposure to oxygen.

 

[KONY]

i know you've been active in this thread CG that's why i was surprised at the question!

ya i've seen ff hash rosin budder that tests with almost no decarb.

on the other hand, when i was pressing some older flower material that hadn't been well kept, i bumped up to 240--250*F, and i was seeing decarb rates of 25--40%.

even in that less-than-optimal situation, i still need to decarb the majority of the cannabs present in my etoh concentrate to activate for edibles/topicals

this is an old graph you've prob all seen and refrenced many times, but its helpful to refer to it when considering how much decarb is taking place between the heated platens.

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the age of your starting material can play a role too. thc-a naturally degrades to thc with time and exposure to oxygen.

Was that material under multiple tons of pressure? I have yet to see any decarb graphs for pressed material, all of them are just heated.

 

[heady blunts]

no it was not. but excellent point that the pressure will surely alter the conditions for decarb to some extent.

 

[ChasingGreen]

Yah that graph unfortunately doesn't apply to rosin pressing in terms of decarb. Pressure will dramatically change the results, as that graph is just material on a glass surface and then heated without any pressure as you said. One day someone will figure it out. I would be happy to do it, if I had a testing lab handy, but alas I do not.

Heady, so the resulting rosin is not decarbed, which blows my mind compared to what I've always thought, but what about the rosin chips? Has anyone sent those in for the same testing, also sending in a nug of the same material that was unpressed? That seems like the real test. From what I can tell, people eat rosin chips and get high, so they have to be decarbed to some degree.

Also, what bags do you guys use for sift or kief? I still have some old MASH 37u bags that I was using the other day, but I only have a couple and need to buy some quality ones. I really want ones that are sealed by heat vs thread, if they exist and work. Or, perhaps I should switch to Stainless Steel mesh? Lastly, anyone that presses flower in bags, are you using 90u? I personally don't use bags for flower, but just curious.

 

[slowandeasy]

A) You should warn people when you give them such potent edibles!
B) 20-30 minutes huh? I usually go 8 hours. If you're getting that kind of results though, maybe I'm doing way overkill. I will try 30 mins - 1 hour next time.
C) What kind of Coconut Oil are you using? They have Unrefined, Refined, Virgin Unrefined, etc.

I bought the Nuwave induction stove top for accuracy and speed. If you look at the chart above 30 min at 250 is pretty close to peak extraction. Time vs Temp....if you are using a crock pot at 90f 8 hours would be okay.. You can't warn some one on potency, without trying them first...and I am not the best test subject. I have a high tolerance. I use organic Coconut oil too. It is all about accurate temps and times. Personally I don't have 8 hours to waste on cooking oil. I have found 250f for 20-30 min to be my TYPICAL time.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

Yah that graph unfortunately doesn't apply to rosin pressing in terms of decarb. Pressure will dramatically change the results

Pressure wont dramatically change the result, just slightly. The pressures we use at most increases temperature barely.

Well made rosin seems to be far less decarbed than BHO. Just watch either bubble on a nail head.

 

[heady blunts]

i press everything through coffee filter paper.

sunfire has a good technique where he wraps the hash patties with filter paper first, then a layer of ss mesh around that to reinforce it.

i don't have ss mesh but i've used two layers of filter paper with hash before to help strengthen the packet.

i haven't had the rosin chips tested, but i've had the rosin tested, and i've made many many batches oil from the chips using the same ethanol extraction process every time.

the length of time i need to decarb for demonstrates to me that there is plenty of thc-a left in the chips.

(i have been decarbing gray wolf style---watching the bubbles phase change to signal)

 

[Sunfire]

Depending on strain, how the plant was grown, when it was harvested, how it was processed, and how it was stored, there can be varying amounts of thca and thc. I've seen flowers of analytical from a friend that was almost pure thc, no thca. I laughed my ass off and asked him if he baked it in an oven when he entered into a cup for indica to try to act like it was some super indica. He said no, and he didn't even know what it was, was bag seed lmfao!

Actually, under pressure (which the actual oil isn't really under much pressure or else it'd be squirting across the room) the boiling points would raise which is opposite of vacuum which lowers boiling points. With enough pressure you can actually get steam way hotter that 212F.

220F is my go to temp for everything. Only if I'm pressing some 5 or 6 star wash a homie brings by will I lower it. But that's with the really large presses I do. The physics are slightly different with different sized presses. Can probably do 200 and get good return rate and flavor in you were only pressing a few grams at a time. And those pesses were done with kief however, not flower.

Now back to thca, it's not psychoactive at all BUT recent studies have shown it twice as effect as prescription strength cortizol (or cortizone, whichever it is, I'm stoned) in relieving joint pain and inflammation. It's like the god damn arthritis treatment of the century, grown in your back yard! Thc is still the leading cancer cell destroying agent and is psychedelic. Cbd is great for relieving seizures and is very calming and helps a lot with anxiety as well.

With smoke-ables we want more thca as it will mean better preservation and shelf life and it will for sure decarb on the nail or in the flame. For edibles decarbING before adding any other oils males the dose much more effective. Decarb too much however and thc turns into cbn which can be a very lethargic effect.

The best advice grey wolf every gave me that applies to so much, is "watch the bubbles." Big bubbles that cling together at first as the co2 escapes and the thca degrades into thc. Then fewer much smaller bubbles, that means it's done. Or leave it on the heat for another hour or so if you want the knock out juice. This is all dependant on the temp you use though and the graph headie posted will help you get a general idea.

 

[Sunfire]

i press everything through coffee filter paper.

sunfire has a good technique where he wraps the hash patties with filter paper first, then a layer of ss mesh around that to reinforce it.

i don't have ss mesh but i've used two layers of filter paper with hash before to help strengthen the packet.

i haven't had the rosin chips tested, but i've had the rosin tested, and i've made many many batches oil from the chips using the same ethanol extraction process every time.

the length of time i need to decarb for demonstrates to me that there is plenty of thc-a left in the chips.

(i have been decarbing gray wolf style---watching the bubbles phase change to signal)

Oz and I have been wondering about double or triple wrapping the paper filter and seeing what happens. Notice any difference in the product with 2 wraps as opposed to one?

Lmfao I didn't even see the last line in this post before bwuahahaha you said the grey wolf thing too hahahaha!

 

[GET MO]

Whatchall do with ya rosin chips? Oh me? I build houses.

 

[ChasingGreen]

Whatchall do with ya rosin chips? Oh me? I build houses.

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Soak in alcohol and extract, or just throw into a crockpot with coconut oil for a few hours and then use the coconut oil in edibles or caps.

 

[Weird]

rosin chips are the new hash coin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N65uFX6Kvpw

 

[hash head]

Someone I know was considering buying this rosin press:
The EZ PRESS PRO
https://www.eztrimming.com/product/ez-press-pro/

please let me know why this is either a great or horrible idea?

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

A hand pump jack setup for 4,000 seems exorbitant; pretty sure that is a very steep price for what you get.

 

[hash head]

A hand pump jack setup for 4,000 seems exorbitant; pretty sure that is a very steep price for what you get.

That's what I was thinking.. saw the same hand pump jack on sale for $200... minus the heat plate setup which looks like it could easily be found for less than $1000... sooo yeah seems like a total rip off!!


Is there any consensus, or recommendations on which press is the best quality and value among prebuilt or easily to assemble rosin presses? Looking for something that can do production as well as quality..

I have read through this thread a couple months ago but don't want to read through the 300 pages right now..

I have been looking at the rosinator, extractor depot, best value vacs presses (anyone have any experience with any of these?), and rosin tech presses.. bvv seems to have the most selection of any site and best deals.. but I haven't seen their function..

any recommendations on which products out their are functional and good bang for your buck would be very appreciated