New extraction technique? Rosin tech?

[Drewsif]

Hopefully someone is working on a "vaccum rosin" setup somewhere.

Putting the material in a high velocity pressure pinch zone between 2 pressure differentials. (between 2 heated pressure plates, or a hard packed heated tube) Purge vessel #2 into a 3rd chamber, then introduce new pressure to the 1st and suck the warm resin right out into the 2nd, reintroduce #3 to #2 for terp recovery. Basically blasting with warm air at lower temps than atmospheric pressure requires,and closed for terp recovery.

I dunno, seems like the future will go somewhere in that direction, if artificial terps and cartons of prerolled Greens (menthol or regular?) dont take over a la corporate cannabis laws we're seeing.

 

[Grey_Fox]

greyfox dunno why i missed a week of IG updates but it was fun catching up last night! you got a lot of progress made. i'm psyched about these MCH heaters. thanks for sharing your research!

Thanks for taking the time to look man, It's always good to see the IC crew joining in on the ride . I have tomorrow off officially so I'll have plenty of time to mess around and burn my house down ;P

@Drewsif , I dunno how well the vacuum idea will work in the long run, IT should theoretically allow for a lower heat extraction, but I believe terps will boil under vacuum at room temp? smarter people than I will know more then myself. I've seen the idea bounced around on the Fuckcombustion rosin thread as well. The issues I see are mainly terp loss and a lot more work for a potentially larger return. It will really come down to how much can physically be pressed at a time before diminishing returns start to creep up. If you can press a lot in a vacuum than I can see its use, but if you constantly have to pull a vacuum before pressing smaller runs then It will take a lot longer to have a good production going. Would also be fairly expensive to produce I think.
When I first started posting on here I had a similar idea to use a pressurized or vacuumed cylinder with threads at one end and a plunger which you would rotate to create pressure. My idea sucked tho

 

[Sunfire]

I'm not a fan of deep vacuum with warmed oils because of terps. I also don't think, on a larger scale, a mild vacuum will help. Positive pressure from the opposite end would be lovely but there's a lot of issues with that as well and you can't compete with the high pressures inside the material between the platens.

Recovering terps will require cold and no vacuum. I've talked about this idea with others, it's feasible but sounds expensive and will require some serious engineering.

 

[Grey_Fox]

https://www.kjmagnetics.com/blog.asp?p=temperature-and-neodymium-magnets
doing some reading on magnets under high heats as I plan to use such methods to do some plate mounting for a few people. Hopefully the read isn't bad for anyone who is interested. Sorry in advance. Learning commence!
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/specs.asp
it's looking like its possible as long as I order the right type. I'll dig deeper and find more. Hopefully I don't have to go too large of a magnet to keep the losses down.

 

[Terps]

I was playing about with some morocon hash today, thought i'd try press with stainless stell plates.

heres some advice..dont try it! huge PITA to collect as it sticks so bad!

 

[Sunfire]

Yeah, stainless surfaces suck to clean rosin off of.

 

[EsterEssence]

I have a break from making little ones out of big ones, so i am making some flower rosin. Nice light color, i see what you guys were talking about how the moisture content of the flowers is very important. Camera battery is dead so i'll take some pics after it charges, if there is any left...
Wow now i am squeezing the finger hash i collected, it is a little green but wow is it strong...

 

[oldbean]

I tried this with some blueberry bud recently for the very first time and it blew me away.

Amazing

 

[re3e]

quick but very wastefull on the long run , fine if you're looking to make a gram or less , but that little i'll smoke the weed straight , presently using a cryo soxlet (replaced the heat with a pump and just leave it circulating for an hour in the freezer at -25 celcius

 

[DaveMan50]

Wow this is dumb. First definitions. Resin: essence of plants. Pine tree resin used to rosin up your violin bow. Some dictionary’s say there is no rosin or rosen. One said rosin is synthetic resin. What matters is that it runs away from heat. So you can use a "hair straightener(not dryer you bimbo)" to force out some resin, but there will be some left in the flower. The term rosen is just a mispronounced resin by trailer park trash TV show.

 

[Grey_Fox]

Wow this is dumb. First definitions. Resin: essence of plants. Pine tree resin used to rosin up your violin bow. Some dictionary’s say there is no rosin or rosen. One said rosin is synthetic resin. What matters is that it runs away from heat. So you can use a "hair straightener(not dryer you bimbo)" to force out some resin, but there will be some left in the flower. The term rosen is just a mispronounced resin by trailer park trash TV show.

Did you start an account just to give a lesson in dictionary use? Terms are created all the time. LOL is in the dictionary so don't you be gettin all sassy about some guy naming a new technique. Rosin tech and the product "rosin" were used to differentiate from BHO/ISO/QWET/IWE/the vast majority of other terms thrown around in the game.

On another note. Mch heaters are still being tested. I think im getting slight variances in surface temps on them due to the fact I'm not running them even close to full power. The ones I got at max temps of 180 for the round and 210 for the rectangulars. Waiting back on my supplier to know if they have or can make some heaters in the 150f-300f range and have them work well at all voltages.
The circular Heaters seem fine but the rectangular ones are a little goofy given the higher max temps Im thinking. Gonna put them in my plates and see how they work in there before running for the hills looking for new heaters.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

The term rosen is just a mispronounced resin by trailer park trash TV show.

I'm not so sure, we'd have to get compashon to chime in and tell use why he picked that name originally, i think its his word.

 

[Ringodoggie]

Well gang, I ran a couple experiments today so I'll share the results.

The first experiment was to make some tiny grooves in my bottom plate in hopes that they would make a "channel" for the rosin to run down and gather in a smaller puddle, rather than all over the parchment.

I used a Dremmel tool with a cut-off disc and made 4 small grooves from the center of the plate to the edge. Maybe 0.3mm or less deep.

I will say that it did work to some extent. It did push the rosin collection down the grooves but it still ended up in wide puddles at the mouth of the plates. So, that experiment wasn't much of a success. There might be more to look at so I'll try deeper grooves, etc next test run.

The other experiment was too add vibration to the equation (I did mention this before but didn't have any test data to contribute).

Generally, my rosin will run for about 30 or 40 seconds before it stops running and just starts cooking. So, I usually take it out when I see it stop running.

For this experiment, I waited the normal 30 to 40 seconds for the rosin to stop running and then I placed one of those old Radio Shake Etching Tools. You remember those? They vibrated real fast and hard and had a tip that engraved just about anything. LOL

I placed that engraver with the tip right at the mouth of the plates where the rosin runs after the rosin stopped running and it immediately started running again. I don't know if it was just collecting what was already extracted. Or, if it was extracting more from the vibration. But, in either case, it definitely added to the flow of the rosin.

And, DUH! I think we all know that an agitated substance (whether liquid or solid) will flow better when agitated. So, this will definitely deserve some more research.

I'll let you know what more I find out next test run. Just wanted to share what I had so far.

 

[Grey_Fox]

Toss that bastard in a paint shaker! Good post Ringo. Gives more things to look into for best yields in one press . Was this with sift or flower?

 

[Ringodoggie]

It was with flowers. Pucks, to be more specific.

And, I reverse what I said about the lines not working. When I went back down, I noticed a bunch of rosin on the edge of the plate at the end of the lines. So, I did another experiment. This time I folded the parchment differently to allow the rosin to run out of the parchment while still in the plates and then, down the grooves to a piece of parchment that was under both plates for collection. I'll post some pics tomorrow but it worked great in some ways. No so great in others.

The rosin flowed nicely down the grooves and onto the edge of the plate and finally to the parchment. However, at the junction of the plate and the parchment, the rosin just sits and cooks. A minor flaw, easily solved with some setup changes but this looks like it may be a winner after all.

I also tried it with zero parchment and just using the grooves. Not so great the first try but it did work about 50%.

Like I said, I'll post a couple pics tomorrow when I run some more experiments.

 

[thewhitelotus]

great info in here everyone! appreciate the time and effort put in to better this process. For those of you that use bubble....with the leftover pouches from squishing how do you go about using these to make edibles....how are you extracting whats left?

thanks in advance! just starting to try this out myself!

 

[thewhitelotus]

After collection. Only did a little bit of hash just to try it out

 

[Bionic]

I'm not so sure, we'd have to get compashon to chime in and tell use why he picked that name originally, i think its his word.

It's a real word.

rosin |ˈräzən|
noun
resin, especially the solid amber residue obtained after the distillation of crude turpentine oleoresin, or of naphtha extract from pine stumps. It is used in adhesives, varnishes, and inks and for treating the bows of stringed instruments.
verb (rosins, rosining, rosined) [ with obj. ]
rub (something, especially the bow of a stringed instrument) with rosin.
DERIVATIVES
rosiny adjective
ORIGIN Middle English: from medieval Latin rosina, from Latin resina (see resin) .

 

[cyphaman]

started pressing some of my tea bags that were lying in massive piles and when stacked i had no luck, but when i took each one and folded the ends to meet in the middle then folded in half and presses at 240F for 15 sec i was getting some fat squirts of lovely golden juices. I ended up with about 8 grams of rosin after this and messing with some old chips i had laying around. i would smoke this over bho any day. im thinking edibles but its so smoooth and tasy too hahah

 

[Gray Wolf]

It's a real word.

The fiddlers around here sure think so!