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i told you i've been paying attention!
That's a little nerve racking coming from a mod out of the blue. You been watching this thread for a while?
Someone asked about the HBP so I gave them the ig tags. I've never used one but it's essentially a 20 ton H frame with a heated platen on the bottom and what appears to be an unheated plate with a lock collar attached to the press pin on the top. The last video I didn't see any wires coming out the top platen, that was concerning slightly...?
What heady posted pics of was exactly my first setup, except I had a variety of plates and jacks to test pressures and sizes but I eventually broke it, then returned it and got another. The old one is sitting on the display shelf covered in rosin lmfao!
Right now I'm using an old setup that uses a 12 ton H frame just to play with experiments while what im now sure will be the final design prototype is currently being made, finally!
The 6 ton I think would be good for up to a 3x4 filter pack so maybe 3.5x4.5 plates. That's 1kpsi. The larger plates are annoying to deal with on the 12 ton. Proper heated platens will be a huge sigh of relief.
Heady that looks awesome! Details, give us the details!
haha last night in chat babba did me the honor of showing interest in my press while i was testing it out. i directed him to this thread for more info.
babba---
reading the whole thread would be well worth it, but that's a mammoth undertaking at this point!
there are some plug and play options starting to hit the market. some are cool, most are terribly designed and overpriced.
if you wanna save lots of money and DIY, you can avoid a ton of missteps by reading what all these guys have been up to for the last 6 months, sunfire has notably shared lots of his experiences, successes, and failures with the community to push this thing forward.
i think making rosin from your harvest is an ideal plan, but you should expect a bit of a learning curve when you get your hands on a press.
if you already make great water hash you might prefer washing all your trim, then taking anything that's not full melt and pressing that.
happy squooshing!
babba---
reading the whole thread would be well worth it, but that's a mammoth undertaking at this point!
there are some plug and play options starting to hit the market. some are cool, most are terribly designed and overpriced.
if you wanna save lots of money and DIY, you can avoid a ton of missteps by reading what all these guys have been up to for the last 6 months, sunfire has notably shared lots of his experiences, successes, and failures with the community to push this thing forward.
i think making rosin from your harvest is an ideal plan, but you should expect a bit of a learning curve when you get your hands on a press.
if you already make great water hash you might prefer washing all your trim, then taking anything that's not full melt and pressing that.
happy squooshing!
Yeah, well you just better watch yourself next time, Mister. I'll be keeping my eye on you.
LMAO Damn, Sunny, you have big kahunas bitching at a guy with that many leaf clusters under his name. Never been in the military, eh? LMAOOn a related note, I still say it would be a great idea to start a new thread called "The Rosin Tech thread Summary" and post the high points.
On the other hand, fuk 'em, let 'em read. LMAO
On to the real reason I posted....
Have any of you left your rosin sitting round on the table for weeks and weeks? I didn't do it on purpose but I had some early sample presses that were real sticky or that were pressed so hard into the parchment that I couldn't get them clean and I just tossed about 20 of them into a plastic container near the press. They were scraped as clean as I could get them at the time but sometimes that stuff is so ingrained that it's just not worth the trouble. So, I set them aside and forgot about them.
Today, I was cleaning up (found an ounce of hash I forgot about. LOL) and I found these parchments.
Remember, these were so sticky I gave them up as lost. The rosin on these parchments was so dry and brittle that all I had to do was wrinkle the parchment and the rosin just flaked right off onto my glass workspace. Never gathered so easily.
Not sure what kind of terpenes I lost. Been smoking it all day and the taste is incredible. Can't tell if I'm high or not but, I'm getting hungry.
I don't think anyone wants to let their rosin sit around for 4 weeks just to make it easy to collect but, there's a lesson on collection here, anyway.
Yeah, well you just better watch yourself next time, Mister. I'll be keeping my eye on you.
On a related note, I still say it would be a great idea to start a new thread called "The Rosin Tech thread Summary" and post the high points.
On the other hand, fuk 'em, let 'em read. LMAO
On to the real reason I posted....
Have any of you left your rosin sitting round on the table for weeks and weeks? I didn't do it on purpose
Whoa whoa whoa man I didn't mean it like that all!!!!
I said "that's a little nerve racking." I havnt seen Babbabud post here before and I was kind of tripping BECAUSE of all the leafs under his name. 3 times now multiple of my posts have straight been deleted. I told you all about that but no one seemed to care. Clearly a mod has been watching this thread and me cause fry or someone complained, I think. I wasn't being an asshole, I got an adrenalin peak lol!
...and in regards to that, you guys remember me making a huge deal about how my research wasn't safe here? Well, I was really upset, and...I edited most of my posts up to that point and deleted pretty much everything, since atleast a dozen or more of my posts had already gotten deleted. That was back around the 100 page mark maybe? Soooooo if anyone one starts at the beginning and notice it seems like entire sets of posts are missing, especially because others quoted the posts, or if you wonder why my posts are really short and not constructive, now you know why. Sorry, I was pissed lol!
But, moving along, yes ringo I had that exact same experience a few months ago. I posted a pic on ig but idk if I did here so I'll post the pic now. I didn't smoke any cause there was dog hair and dirt in it. It was super dry chips, probably sat in the shop for like 2 months.
I have also thought of starting a new thread but I was going to wait until I finally have my hands on a high end piece of equipment that gives me precise and accurate control of everything. Then I wanted to start a strictly research thread where everyone can pitch in data.
And while I'm uploading pictures, I threw in one of the over moistened trim press is did recently that was pretty buddery fresh off the press. Need to get this stuff dry so I can enjoy this little terp package. And there's a pic of some tightly matched filter pack and plate action so new people joining in can see the concept. The right side looks not as tight but thats cause the fold is on the side and the filer pack is lifted off the plate on the right side. It's so funny to see people on ig talk about doing multiple presses. If you got your game tight, it wont matter nearly as much cause the oils are off the heated surfaces. I don't like using 3 times as much paper or taking all the time. Just squish it!
Yall see the Hella expensive frames oakaii is telling people to buy to use with the rufio craft platens? Seemed hilarious to me they are telling people to buy super high grade frames to use with those insanely poorly designed plates and the dirt cheap chinese coils and controller. It's like insisting on using a gold plate for a McDonald's chesseburger. That gave me such a good laugh, Ahhhhh that was good. I will say I have seen those presses before. It shows people what I've been saying for a while. If you want to be lazy, but want lots of force, it's gonna be an extra 2k for quality electric hydraulic pump. Also check out the super thick steel plates the 20 ton donny boon press has, they are most likely 1045 or 1075 high carbon content steel. I still can't believe, with those huge pockets for the coils, and less then half an inch of SS (which is very soft) between the coils and surface, they are trying to tell people they can handle 70 tons. Clearly there was no actual engineering with that design. Those three guys are really showing their true colors.
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haha that okaii post made me laugh too.
i'm grateful to have your participation sunfire!
i'm grateful to have your participation sunfire!
Could someone direct me to the Oakaii and Rufio craft posts? I cant seem to find them and Rufio doesnt seem to be updating his IG. Who is Oakaii as well other than a wasteful minge.
As heady has said. You are greatly appreciated around here Sun, your information and experience should be well known.
Also someone should post some how to vids for how to cut proper size parchment/slick sheet and also proper screen folding techniques as well. Id do it but I dont really have any followers and you guys are much more well known and respected in this community of ours.
Nice looking presses to everyone that has posted their material shots. Nomnomnomnom
Welcome to the party Babbabud. To be honest I was a little surprised to see a higher up such as yourself drop a post out of no where. I was a little scared for Sunny ;P. If you are adamant about rosin and want to hit the ground running kief presses are the most satisfying and will be the least discouraging to someone new to it all. It can be hard on the mind to press flower and only get a 5%return and having to do multiple presses. Watching the oil flow from a kief press is too fakin awesome dude!
Edit again. I found the posts you guys were referencing. I think they are scrambling to find a press that already has the surface area needed to support those asstastic plates. As they switched from supporting their 70ton 2" ram to a very different style. Why would anyone want to pay 3500 for just a hydraulic press. I posted on Okii dakiis post and called out the mind numbing dumbness of it all while giving some love to gold ash who has his heatpress in the same price range as just this press they are showing off. How quiet would Okiis advertised press even be? I personally would rather have a manual set up in almost all cases
As heady has said. You are greatly appreciated around here Sun, your information and experience should be well known.
Also someone should post some how to vids for how to cut proper size parchment/slick sheet and also proper screen folding techniques as well. Id do it but I dont really have any followers and you guys are much more well known and respected in this community of ours.
Nice looking presses to everyone that has posted their material shots. Nomnomnomnom
Welcome to the party Babbabud. To be honest I was a little surprised to see a higher up such as yourself drop a post out of no where. I was a little scared for Sunny ;P. If you are adamant about rosin and want to hit the ground running kief presses are the most satisfying and will be the least discouraging to someone new to it all. It can be hard on the mind to press flower and only get a 5%return and having to do multiple presses. Watching the oil flow from a kief press is too fakin awesome dude!
Edit again. I found the posts you guys were referencing. I think they are scrambling to find a press that already has the surface area needed to support those asstastic plates. As they switched from supporting their 70ton 2" ram to a very different style. Why would anyone want to pay 3500 for just a hydraulic press. I posted on Okii dakiis post and called out the mind numbing dumbness of it all while giving some love to gold ash who has his heatpress in the same price range as just this press they are showing off. How quiet would Okiis advertised press even be? I personally would rather have a manual set up in almost all cases
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check it out ... i was talking to heady in chat ... came to this thread ... read what sf had posted about that being what he started with .... mind you I had just been chatting in "real time" ... i read the post and asked the question right off the cuff ... as easy as that ... you guys take a look ive been making hash around here for as long as this place has been up ... it was a simple question and to be truthful when i hit enter i was just thinking that maybe sf would post a pic .... didnt mean to get anyone excited or paranoid or nervous or ask a question out of context ... was just a simple reaction to a statement. There are no conspiracies going on here at icmag
Sure there aren't, I bet you arent privy to what went on with Sunfire's deleted posts then
Heady has some damn Heady, starting material )
all in what ur squishin. I wish I could go back now and re do all those wasted lbs of flowers!
Shirt press' are cool but I should have listened to Sunfire and just moved on up in life. EDIT: and I agree about those plates they dont seem to be very well thought up, wonder why okaii is such a fan of either of those units ?
So right now I have been loving the coffee filters for pressing on the 1 ton arbor press. but honestly, I have to put too much weight on it...after working a 13 hour day I get pains in my arms if I really do too many hard presses lmao ....rosinitis' i believe they call it!
coffee filters rolled neatly with broken down buds are great on the arbor, with slow gradual build in pressure, but on the 2.5 ton pneumatic its a little bit trickier to get them centered as you cant use your hands to guide things on target. but when you you do, FUCK YEAH sunfire is the man on that one.
I have been slacking on taking quality pics lately, but that will change soon. Just been workin 6 days a week and so when I find time to make has I tend to just make it, and not fuckin document everything. however it has been such a learning curve at this point that its good to just focus on processing data, and revisiting ideas, tweaking and revisiting.
for one thing, adding moisture is great to dry material, to a point. but dont over do it.. youll pull some nasty darkness lol if you do it, I prefer the slow gradual way adding a tinfoil wrapped kleenex soaked in some h20 with holes poked in the top. if anything it does let you pull that extra bit of sap but its always a darker , way less tasty product.. cool for edibles or whatEVER
Like Sunfire said my goal has been getting it all out in one press, but being limited at 4700lbs of force is making it tricky. I seem to be able to do it starting with plates at 240F and now giving it 4 or so seconds. then onto ice. but when I take 2 pressed patties (coffee filter and all) i stack one on the other and fold 2x then repress its usually really nice color so I think more like 6 tons+ is where its at for single presses consistently.
Loving the collection, wont go back to the hand picking contaminant route, under 2 tons you get a mess unless its fresh ass material!
Oh and since Grey_Fox is such a champ we'll be sharing the newly designed plates for the pneumatic press hopefully in the next week or 2. He has been so fucking diligent and just all around masterful in his execution I hope that I can finally put an end to the mess that comes with not being able to perfectly align plate and filter pack in the center, so as to not have the flower poke out the fucking side, or bust through the fold...... lmao but seriously, he has been so kind as to put together a set of heated aluminum plates that should really improve the functionality of the pneumatic. as the force on that thing is really nice to work with. His skills are on point and he is a really down to earth dude. Im glad we met here, turns out we aren't very far apart geographically !
so if anyone is thinking arbor press i suggest the 3 ton at minimum, but imagine the 6 ton Hydraulic A Frame with a custom set of Grey_Fox heated dies!! that would be tits. id siggest hitting him up if you got some paper to throw his way and are serious about getting set up with something. His skills are solid.
Will post some rosin pics soon!! cheers alll
)all in what ur squishin. I wish I could go back now and re do all those wasted lbs of flowers!
Shirt press' are cool but I should have listened to Sunfire and just moved on up in life. EDIT: and I agree about those plates they dont seem to be very well thought up, wonder why okaii is such a fan of either of those units ?
So right now I have been loving the coffee filters for pressing on the 1 ton arbor press. but honestly, I have to put too much weight on it...after working a 13 hour day I get pains in my arms if I really do too many hard presses lmao ....rosinitis' i believe they call it!
coffee filters rolled neatly with broken down buds are great on the arbor, with slow gradual build in pressure, but on the 2.5 ton pneumatic its a little bit trickier to get them centered as you cant use your hands to guide things on target. but when you you do, FUCK YEAH sunfire is the man on that one.
I have been slacking on taking quality pics lately, but that will change soon. Just been workin 6 days a week and so when I find time to make has I tend to just make it, and not fuckin document everything. however it has been such a learning curve at this point that its good to just focus on processing data, and revisiting ideas, tweaking and revisiting.
for one thing, adding moisture is great to dry material, to a point. but dont over do it.. youll pull some nasty darkness lol if you do it, I prefer the slow gradual way adding a tinfoil wrapped kleenex soaked in some h20 with holes poked in the top. if anything it does let you pull that extra bit of sap but its always a darker , way less tasty product.. cool for edibles or whatEVER
Like Sunfire said my goal has been getting it all out in one press, but being limited at 4700lbs of force is making it tricky. I seem to be able to do it starting with plates at 240F and now giving it 4 or so seconds. then onto ice. but when I take 2 pressed patties (coffee filter and all) i stack one on the other and fold 2x then repress its usually really nice color so I think more like 6 tons+ is where its at for single presses consistently.
Loving the collection, wont go back to the hand picking contaminant route, under 2 tons you get a mess unless its fresh ass material!
Oh and since Grey_Fox is such a champ we'll be sharing the newly designed plates for the pneumatic press hopefully in the next week or 2. He has been so fucking diligent and just all around masterful in his execution I hope that I can finally put an end to the mess that comes with not being able to perfectly align plate and filter pack in the center, so as to not have the flower poke out the fucking side, or bust through the fold...... lmao but seriously, he has been so kind as to put together a set of heated aluminum plates that should really improve the functionality of the pneumatic. as the force on that thing is really nice to work with. His skills are on point and he is a really down to earth dude. Im glad we met here, turns out we aren't very far apart geographically !
so if anyone is thinking arbor press i suggest the 3 ton at minimum, but imagine the 6 ton Hydraulic A Frame with a custom set of Grey_Fox heated dies!! that would be tits. id siggest hitting him up if you got some paper to throw his way and are serious about getting set up with something. His skills are solid.
Will post some rosin pics soon!! cheers alll
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Hahahaha thanks for the kind words dude. I'm really hoping they work out well for you and can give some good test results with them! I'd like to see how they work for you first before I go any further for others. Gotta make you happy before I can make others happyHeady has some damn Heady, starting material
Oh and since Grey_Fox is such a champ we'll be sharing the newly designed plates for the pneumatic press hopefully in the next week or 2. He has been so fucking diligent and just all around masterful in his execution I hope that I can finally put an end to the mess that comes with not being able to perfectly align plate and filter pack in the center, so as to not have the flower poke out the fucking side, or bust through the fold...... lmao but seriously, he has been so kind as to put together a set of heated aluminum plates that should really improve the functionality of the pneumatic. as the force on that thing is really nice to work with. His skills are on point and he is a really down to earth dude. Im glad we met here, turns out we aren't very far apart geographically !
so if anyone is thinking arbor press i suggest the 3 ton at minimum, but imagine the 6 ton Hydraulic A Frame with a custom set of Grey_Fox heated dies!! that would be tits. id siggest hitting him up if you got some paper to throw his way and are serious about getting set up with something. His skills are solid.
Will post some rosin pics soon!! cheers alll
. It's great that you are close by because I can more easily rectify any issues that show up ;PI should hopefully have a fan speed controller tomorrow and am still looking for a closer heater supplier as I wait on the person I was talking with from Alibaba. Thanks again for the great post on that controller Ringo! and thanks to Sunfire as well for making such info known.
As for some research today I came across a informative pdf by accident while searching for heaters to buy.
http://www.mouser.de/pdfDocs/GE_PTCThermometricsProductLine.pdf
Hope everyone finds this informative as it has given me some helpful info. It's essentially the perfect heaters guide it seems but I'll have to read through it more to know how useful it is. Happy reading every one and happy squanching!
Sure there aren't, I bet you arent privy to what went on with Sunfire's deleted posts then
I received a pm. That's all that's needed to be said. Babbabud didn't do it. who cares it's in the past now. We are here for eachother now and that's what's most important, Babbabud included.
Everyone is so sweet and kind today, damn I wish yall lived in my county. To be honest I am egocentric as is the entire world. I choose to help people here with facts and numbers as I hate to see people get raped by fly by night greedy social media egomaniacs. So I'm satisfied with that.
Yeah I usually dont document much either, havnt been pressing much at lately either.
Fox, I can set you up with some things but it will increase the cost greatly, as you already know. Ash uses film heaters i think. There's thin film and thick film and they are usually listed under strip heaters but using the chips is most economical. I'd stick with those. If you get ahead of lead times, the distance shouldn't be too big of a deal
I think it's funny how I stopped watching hash church but everyone talks to me about it lol! Apparently they claim to have some reusable paper substitute material, but won't tell people what it is, wow that's awesome. I guess if they told people what is then they couldn't sell it to them. I hear they also talked about the pressure creates heat thing and says no one knows what temps they are actually using. Well there are formulas that exist to figure that out. With this type of material, the heat created is negligible. That's why I stopped watching, they just piss me off so bad with the egomania bro science lmao!
I'll keep you posted on how things are going shortly Sun, was a busy weekend in other areas of life, but it's back to work on the heaters this week!.
I've looked into strip heaters as well and couldn't really find anything to suit my needs in a nice price range so I have stuck with the chips. They are easy enough to work with and make platens for. I'll see where the future takes all of us while I work away on my designs
As for hash church, I've tried watching episodes but found it had too much clutter and not enough of a set goal to accomplish on each episode. I could be wrong but meh, I don't think I'm missing out either
. It sucks that they are trying to keep secrets, their pressing sheets are most likely something that anyone could buy or else they would have said it was custom made for their purposes or something just to make it even seem remotely non obtainable.
Doing some research on the heat created from pressure at the moment http://littleshop.physics.colostate.edu/activities/atmos2/TempPressureRelated.pdf have a read along every one lets all learn together
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Doing some research on the heat created from pressure at the moment http://littleshop.physics.colostate.edu/activities/atmos2/TempPressureRelated.pdf have a read along every one lets all learn together
Ok round 2 part 1
Fox that pdf was terrible lol! It was just about basic relationship with gasses and the tires analogy was horrible lol. People air down tires to get better grip. When rock crawling, at really low speeds, people air down to 5-15 psi to get better grip, which is why bead lock rims exist so you don't get a flat at such low pressures. Low profile tires and high end rims allow for lower pressures to get better grip and also the rubber compound of those tires are also very soft to get better grip. It's is true that the tires will heat and that will cause a greater internal pressure.
Oh man I wrote the last one so well, how do I do this again lol! OK so pressure is related to heat with the aid of motion. All atoms, and therefore molecules, are constantly in motion as they have electrons that never stop moving. However the mass of the electrons is essentially non existent. Everything is literally vibrating on some level. The denser the object the higher the vibration frequency it admits. The earth is 7.83 hertz and neutron stars can emit such a high frequency that it can be picked up with similar equipment that picks up radio frequencies. Compressing molecules cause them the vibrate andnrub against eachother but the heat is short lived and transfers to surrounding systems. If this wasnt true then the depths of the ocean would be much warmer, but its very cold down there. The material we are working with is not that dense, even when we compress it. But I think most people are under the misconception that the heat is constant. The heat generated is done so by motion but the pressure compounds that generation. Rub your hands on your jeans. At the same speed of motion more heat is generated when you apply more pressure. The idea that simple compression constantly generates heat is incorrect as the electrons contain no mass, it's the motion of compression that can generate heat, and motion under compression generates more heat but requires more force, energy is energy. The pressures we use are insanely low when compared to the earth's core that depends on the earth rotating to generate heat.
This relates to rosin in the idea that the excited oils are moving past and grinding on the material as it exits the platens. The more heat in the platens, the more excited the oils will be. The more pressure, the more heat the traveling oils will create. This helps to explain why some people swear they make great rosin a shirt press but those high temps they use I think are not in the sweet spot. This is also why I tell people too much pressure can ruin the oils. If we plotted a chart and made a graph I think the sweet spot of the curve will be 500-1500 psi and 180-220F respectively. THIS also helps to explain why flowers and trim seems to require more pressure for a complete extraction and why the more melty the sift or wash, the less pressure seems to be needed as there is more motion of more excited molecules. Too much pressure will generate a lot of internal heat as the crevices and channels the oil flows through and over will be smaller and hence more grinding under pressure. This also explains why in some of my experiments, too much moisture leaves the product and material with that burnt smell because all that extra excited water molecules is contributing to the internal heat.
Part 2: the chaos collision theory I created takes all of this into account, especially the frequency bit. But as I said before there are already complicated formulas that can help you compute expected physics in relation to heat and pressure but they are not simple. I can talk theory all day and I'm trying to keep this short but I've had this discussion with my partner and engineer and trust me, the heat created from the actual motion of compression is not some thing to think about bit the heat generated by the motion of the oils is. This also could help explain some things as far as the stability of the molecular matrix is concerned in regards to different temps being used. If you hit a certain temp, the matrix "sets" flash some budder with some excessive heat really quick and watch what happens.
This is what pisses me off about people who have utube shows and don't check their shit with Google before running off their opinions and stating them as facts. I doubt they even write anything down and try to organize their logic in a deductive fashion. No one seems to actually take into account the physics involved with the situation.
Recently I was fronted on by strait, again, when I was asking questions about the rufio platens. His response was that they are close to "auto collection" which was followed by a string of personal insults directed at me. Clearly that wasnt a proper answer at all and I didn't want to break his heart and tag him in my 4 month old post where I already achieved that with the now shelved paperless design. I also didn't mention blastfrompast already doing that as well. It's very clear to me that these people arnt leaders, they are egomaniac con artists. Some one who claims to be an engineer but doesn't even know what deflection is or understand thermal conductivity, is obviously a liar. And their designs clearly speak for themselves in those manners.
Interestingly enough, on the inverse, fox claims to be a simple carpenter but his actual real life experiences seems to have made these things almost instinctual as the platens he designed actually look extremely well put together from an engineering standpoint.
I stand by the common man who actually knows wtf they are doing and talking about while discarding the false prophets.
Fox that pdf was terrible lol! It was just about basic relationship with gasses and the tires analogy was horrible lol. People air down tires to get better grip. When rock crawling, at really low speeds, people air down to 5-15 psi to get better grip, which is why bead lock rims exist so you don't get a flat at such low pressures. Low profile tires and high end rims allow for lower pressures to get better grip and also the rubber compound of those tires are also very soft to get better grip. It's is true that the tires will heat and that will cause a greater internal pressure.
Oh man I wrote the last one so well, how do I do this again lol! OK so pressure is related to heat with the aid of motion. All atoms, and therefore molecules, are constantly in motion as they have electrons that never stop moving. However the mass of the electrons is essentially non existent. Everything is literally vibrating on some level. The denser the object the higher the vibration frequency it admits. The earth is 7.83 hertz and neutron stars can emit such a high frequency that it can be picked up with similar equipment that picks up radio frequencies. Compressing molecules cause them the vibrate andnrub against eachother but the heat is short lived and transfers to surrounding systems. If this wasnt true then the depths of the ocean would be much warmer, but its very cold down there. The material we are working with is not that dense, even when we compress it. But I think most people are under the misconception that the heat is constant. The heat generated is done so by motion but the pressure compounds that generation. Rub your hands on your jeans. At the same speed of motion more heat is generated when you apply more pressure. The idea that simple compression constantly generates heat is incorrect as the electrons contain no mass, it's the motion of compression that can generate heat, and motion under compression generates more heat but requires more force, energy is energy. The pressures we use are insanely low when compared to the earth's core that depends on the earth rotating to generate heat.
This relates to rosin in the idea that the excited oils are moving past and grinding on the material as it exits the platens. The more heat in the platens, the more excited the oils will be. The more pressure, the more heat the traveling oils will create. This helps to explain why some people swear they make great rosin a shirt press but those high temps they use I think are not in the sweet spot. This is also why I tell people too much pressure can ruin the oils. If we plotted a chart and made a graph I think the sweet spot of the curve will be 500-1500 psi and 180-220F respectively. THIS also helps to explain why flowers and trim seems to require more pressure for a complete extraction and why the more melty the sift or wash, the less pressure seems to be needed as there is more motion of more excited molecules. Too much pressure will generate a lot of internal heat as the crevices and channels the oil flows through and over will be smaller and hence more grinding under pressure. This also explains why in some of my experiments, too much moisture leaves the product and material with that burnt smell because all that extra excited water molecules is contributing to the internal heat.
Part 2: the chaos collision theory I created takes all of this into account, especially the frequency bit. But as I said before there are already complicated formulas that can help you compute expected physics in relation to heat and pressure but they are not simple. I can talk theory all day and I'm trying to keep this short but I've had this discussion with my partner and engineer and trust me, the heat created from the actual motion of compression is not some thing to think about bit the heat generated by the motion of the oils is. This also could help explain some things as far as the stability of the molecular matrix is concerned in regards to different temps being used. If you hit a certain temp, the matrix "sets" flash some budder with some excessive heat really quick and watch what happens.
This is what pisses me off about people who have utube shows and don't check their shit with Google before running off their opinions and stating them as facts. I doubt they even write anything down and try to organize their logic in a deductive fashion. No one seems to actually take into account the physics involved with the situation.
Recently I was fronted on by strait, again, when I was asking questions about the rufio platens. His response was that they are close to "auto collection" which was followed by a string of personal insults directed at me. Clearly that wasnt a proper answer at all and I didn't want to break his heart and tag him in my 4 month old post where I already achieved that with the now shelved paperless design. I also didn't mention blastfrompast already doing that as well. It's very clear to me that these people arnt leaders, they are egomaniac con artists. Some one who claims to be an engineer but doesn't even know what deflection is or understand thermal conductivity, is obviously a liar. And their designs clearly speak for themselves in those manners.
Interestingly enough, on the inverse, fox claims to be a simple carpenter but his actual real life experiences seems to have made these things almost instinctual as the platens he designed actually look extremely well put together from an engineering standpoint.
I stand by the common man who actually knows wtf they are doing and talking about while discarding the false prophets.
