NEW Colorado Growers Thread

[Avinash.miles]

holy shit that looks awesome! bishops castle.... needs a garden

RA, i've had my eye on that baox, some reports that its a monster outdoors....
some peeps locally have a clone variety of it that tested high in cbd, i'm trying to get my hands on it....

 

[who dat is]

holy shit that looks awesome! bishops castle.... needs a garden

RA, i've had my eye on that baox, some reports that its a monster outdoors....
some peeps locally have a clone variety of it that tested high in cbd, i'm trying to get my hands on it....

Anything ever come of Trapper Creek?

 

[Avinash.miles]

i'm cloning the trapper creek up now, been using her in most of the pollinations i'm doing to get a healthy variety of seed stock from her.
will be blooming some next round; have one lil late runt outside of trapper, just because.... soon as i have some pics of her to share i will
did u get a trapper cross in those seeds?

 

[who dat is]

i'm cloning the trapper creek up now, been using her in most of the pollinations i'm doing to get a healthy variety of seed stock from her.
will be blooming some next round; have one lil late runt outside of trapper, just because.... soon as i have some pics of her to share i will
did u get a trapper cross in those seeds?

No, I just remember you speaking of her awhile back. Sounded interesting

Thanks again^^

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

All the aza products I have say to wash it off if you get exposed and to call poison control if you get poisoned with it.

So, I called poison control to see what they have on azadirachtin. Zip, zero, nada. Their instructions are to treat it as a chemical overdose and to simply treat any issues which present themselves. They're aware of CHS, yet not as related to aza products.

I've found one case where someone who ingested a quantity of straight neem oil (20ml) having similar symptoms. Nothing else. The major downside to neem seems to just be the disgusting taste and feel of the oil.(edit:

The azadirachtin content of neem oil varies from 300 ppm to over 2500 ppm, depending on the extraction technology and quality of the neem seeds crushed.

 

[mule420]

You guys need to figure out something different besides poison as a PM... Find a different strain that is mite or pm resistant, stop taking clones in, change your clothes and shoes after being around grow shops or outside. Houseplants are a great hiding spot for bugs. Mites love limon or strains with lemon type terps. If you do get pm do not lower the humidity! I know that's the first reaction however that's what it needs to kick out spores and spread! Keep it at the same humidity, treat it, then lower the humidity... let's figure this shit out!

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Mites love limon or strains with lemon type terps.

All my issues are helped best with limonene, so getting rid of those kind of strains are definitely out.

If you do get pm do not lower the humidity!

I don't get PM, I flower at 20-25% RH already. Neither mites nor PM spread very quickly at 72F and 25% RH.

 

[mule420]

All my issues are helped best with limonene, so getting rid of those kind of strains are definitely out.



I don't get PM, I flower at 20-25% RH already. Neither mites nor PM spread very quickly at 72F and 25% RH.

Pm spreads very well in dry conditions that's what triggers it to release it's spores and spread, cold wet nights or moist conditions at lights off or major temperature swings more then 5-10 degrees from day to night or lights on off, are the perfect storm for pm...

Since we have low humidity in CO we have a particularly nasty strain of pm that spreads faster then places with high humidity all the time. Just look at a football field after the snow melts all that white crap on the grass is pm. So yes it can live in the cold and spreads in dry conditions...

I'm by no means a professional grower however I've been growing since the 80s in CO and growing legal since 2000. I've had some form of paperwork or card since it started... I have ran all sorts of strains and all forms of growing. I still learn something most days about this wonderful plant.

I have azmax, neem, bayer fruit tree, safer, sulfer burner, sns 209, sm 90 and a few I probably forgot. Haven't used any of it in years! So that begs the question why do I have all that poison if I don't need it? It goes back to all sorts of different factors. Strains, growing media and nutes, temperatures, humidity, location, lifestyle and other factors I'm forgetting...

I'm just a old dude trying to pass on some knowledge as a fellow grower I may come off as a know it all, most of us do, it's the Internet. If people want to keep spraying and pouring poison around then injesting it, then keep on keeping on...

You said it yourself poison control has no clue about most of the stuff we're using. Peace and puffs

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Pm spreads very well in dry conditions that's what triggers it to release it's spores and spread, cold wet nights or moist conditions at lights off or major temperature swings more then 5-10 degrees from day to night or lights on off, are the perfect storm for pm...

Since we have low humidity in CO we have a particularly nasty strain of pm that spreads faster then places with high humidity all the time. Just look at a football field after the snow melts all that white crap on the grass is pm. So yes it can live in the cold and spreads in dry conditions...

The conditions you describe are heavily moist, drying out. When your conditions are constantly dry, this happens VERY slowly, if at all.

I completely understand where you're coming from on an outdoor level.

 

[mule420]

The conditions you describe are heavily moist, drying out. When your conditions are constantly dry, this happens VERY slowly, if at all.

I completely understand where you're coming from on an outdoor level.

I agree. I had pm once indoors on some flo and juicy fruit, first and last time I ever hooked up a swamp cooler in a grow tent...

 

[Corvette Doc]

You guys need to figure out something different besides poison as a PM... Find a different strain that is mite or pm resistant, stop taking clones in, change your clothes and shoes after being around grow shops or outside. Houseplants are a great hiding spot for bugs. Mites love limon or strains with lemon type terps. If you do get pm do not lower the humidity! I know that's the first reaction however that's what it needs to kick out spores and spread! Keep it at the same humidity, treat it, then lower the humidity... let's figure this shit out!

I am fighting to learn mold prevention. Right now i am spraying weekly with reduced Greencure to create pH barrier, and reduced Proteckt Silica(full for each ground water). I am trying to trim up to increase air, but last 2 days i have had more tests at hospital. Again on Tuesday. The truth is i am barely learning and finding i get more confused than learn as i study about any of the molds i saw around my yard.

Spider mites...How long have you lived in Colorado? They are indigenous and well established to the Nth degree. Some Higher elevations have suppressed numbers as well as the Northern foothill areas. But if you see an evergreen tree in Southern Colorado...then you are close enough to get spider mites from them. These things literally have a cycle to react to wind and set themselves floating... With some of our winds that could be 20-30 miles EASY.
I have seen the Borg pick out one plant, or just part of one(pine trees especially), to seriously attack, while it's cloned sister sits next to it untouched...So i know there has to be a natural suppressant for the numbers at least, but i think it is environmental and not genetic.
I am just not sure what to try now. The Nematodes don't seem to have done anything. I still find an occasional hopper but they seem to have mellowed to grassing on an old fan leaf...not the full tilt destruction they were doing most of June and July.
I don't want poisons either. I am drinking them later! I just am completely lost right now.
Wish i were young enough/strong enough to try to push for those fedral grants for grow studies...It would be nice to have a full lab to test almost unlimited samples. Wish i could just run a few of my GD Tea through an automated Mas Spec and GC.
I am trying to figure out how to get a fan out there...but i need one for outdoor exposure and most of those are big & expensive. My greenhouse isn't really a GH but just shade cloth with leaky roof...very small leaks.
Just wish i could figure out from everything that i am reading what is actually scientifically proven and what is not.

 

[Corvette Doc]

All the aza products I have say to wash it off if you get exposed and to call poison control if you get poisoned with it.

So, I called poison control to see what they have on azadirachtin. Zip, zero, nada. Their instructions are to treat it as a chemical overdose and to simply treat any issues which present themselves. They're aware of CHS, yet not as related to aza products.

I've found one case where someone who ingested a quantity of straight neem oil (20ml) having similar symptoms. Nothing else. The major downside to neem seems to just be the disgusting taste and feel of the oil.(edit:

Here is yet another source of confusion for me; https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/002893.htm

And yet while i was talking with Jim bishop and his wife Phoebe, at the cancer center all they could go on about was how well their Chlorophyll diet was doing for them. They are straining down veggies and concentrating it harder than me.
Was he working when you took those pics? In April he was chomping at the bit to go, but his wife told me she doubted it??? Wish i could go back and see. I remember when it was just a HUGE fire-place with the start of that stair-step battlement... I bet i was only 8-9 years old then. Thanks for the pics!

All of this makes me think i just found a bad interaction...figure out which to pull from the mix and i might be ok...My vote is to get rid of the -OH component...but how?

 

[mule420]

Doc I typed out a huge response and it logged me out... Anyways I was born here and lived here all my life. I will write up how I've been able to not use all the poison I used to use and then post it. I left my computer at work so I'm on my phone... I will write up something this weekend for you. I'm in the same boat as you or pretty close, I swear the fucking tests might kill me before they figure out what's killing me...

 

[!RA!]

holy shit that looks awesome! bishops castle.... needs a garden

RA, i've had my eye on that baox, some reports that its a monster outdoors....
some peeps locally have a clone variety of it that tested high in cbd, i'm trying to get my hands on it....

Ya, I was debating whether to run the BaOx or Dakini Kush. The higher CBD was what tipped the scale for me. Ben said they both finish pretty fast so looking forward to trying it out. I think he still has some BaOx seeds.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

All of this makes me think i just found a bad interaction...figure out which to pull from the mix and i might be ok...My vote is to get rid of the -OH component...but how?

I'd seriously look for flowers from a grower who hasn't used aza on them. Use those instead of your crop, for at least a month. Could be there's only a small percentage of the population having issues with this.

Have you found the comfort of hot baths/showers yet? I lived in the tub for about a year, at one point. Cost me a fortune in hot water bills.

 

[Corvette Doc]

I'd seriously look for flowers from a grower who hasn't used aza on them. Use those instead of your crop, for at least a month. Could be there's only a small percentage of the population having issues with this.

Have you found the comfort of hot baths/showers yet? I lived in the tub for about a year, at one point. Cost me a fortune in hot water bills.

I have to be careful taking short showers only every 48hrs because it triggers the fluids in my lung to start putting out pressure that leads to it settling in my calves and feet...they end up acting like balloons if i am in too long. This part of my potassium problems.

 

[barnyard]

some bugs are good...

some bugs are good...

check out this Praying Mantis

 

[Corvette Doc]

check out this Praying Mantis

I wish i had about 50 or so of those. I still have 4 though.

 

[Avinash.miles]

i caught one eating another one the other day....

 

[who dat is]

i caught one eating another one the other day....

pics or it didn't happen