NEW Colorado Growers Thread

[who dat is]

I feel you on the hoppers...i am still doing walk through s to grab and smash them 2x a day. But i am noticing a trend. The leaves that have the white residue from the diatomaceous earth are not getting eaten.

Diatoms are just fossilized Silica. They are INSOLUBLE in water. They work better as a powder that can attach to bugs, but what if a thin layer spread by spraying is enough to hold them back? Isn't it true that they can't digest it w.o it tearing apart their insides? It might be that my grasshopper fight had an unseen ally that is helping slow them. I think they can't eat the DE and it is almost coating my plants. Just another guess though.
PLEASE, tell me if you think i am right...i am guessing here.

I have no idea but I'm willing to give it a try. I sprayed the plants last night with a strongest to date mix of the garlic and chili extract and this morning there were just as many of the damn grasshoppers all over the plants. I too do the twice a day de-hopper routine by strongly flicking them off, pinching the smaller ones, or sneaking up on the big ones and grabbing their legs then quickly throwing them down to the ground hard. That is enough to stun them so I can stomp them quick before they have a chance to recover and hop away. They are getting bigger and chomping off whole branches as well as scalping off the bark on whole lengths of branches. It's fucking crazy what they are doing.

I will incorporate the DE into my neem/garlic extract sprays and see if that doesn't do anything for them. I'm sure with the oils that the DE would have a better chance of sticking to the plants as well and hopefully staying on there longer? I'll have to try it out, hell I'll try anything out these fuckers are so bad. ;_;

 

[Avinash.miles]

don't let that DE get anywhere near your buds or plants with pre-flowers.... shits not easy to rinse off, BUT i think y'all are on the right track with using DE to fight ghoppers, the bastards

 

[Corvette Doc]

don't let that DE get anywhere near your buds or plants with pre-flowers.... shits not easy to rinse off, BUT i think y'all are on the right track with using DE to fight ghoppers, the bastards

Actually i am not going to worry much about where it gets. The DE will not burn when smoked, not soluble to most hash processes so i think i am just going to ignore it. This is the first year i have faced this so i might eat my words later???

The DE on my plants is from it being so messy to spread, some naturally gets on the leaves. Then when i spray later it dissipates into a white mildew looking coating on the leaves. I am going to experiment with rinsing buds in a hydrogen-peroxide solution this year during harvest. I already have 4 high concentrated bottles.

I am experimenting and sharing what i can glean.

One thing i do know is that the DE will make the surface a dead zone for any smaller bugs. You predator mites will probably be shredded on the surface. My Nematodes are probably already dust. All my ladybugs left. This is a hard game to play going into spider-mite times. Maybe they will die too???

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I too do the twice a day de-hopper routine by strongly flicking them off, pinching the smaller ones, or sneaking up on the big ones and grabbing their legs then quickly throwing them down to the ground hard. That is enough to stun them so I can stomp them quick before they have a chance to recover and hop away. [/FONT]

Be careful with this. I got so mad i dislocated my shoulder smashing one on the ground...That was a SERIOUS FU.

 

[Ganoderma]

A few days ago, I saw a story on the Denver post web site but wasn't even a full story. They stated that in Denver raids where taking place/underway/ along side federal agents and that the raids where on going and they couldn't comment until the raids where over. The story snip it has since been removed from their website and there has been no further mentions that I've seen.

 

[Avinash.miles]

doc, you do not want to be inhaling DE....

 

[redlaser]

Actually i am not going to worry much about where it gets. The DE will not burn when smoked, not soluble to most hash processes so i think i am just going to ignore it. This is the first year i have faced this so i might eat my words later???

The DE on my plants is from it being so messy to spread, some naturally gets on the leaves. Then when i spray later it dissipates into a white mildew looking coating on the leaves. I am going to experiment with rinsing buds in a hydrogen-peroxide solution this year during harvest. I already have 4 high concentrated bottles.

I am experimenting and sharing what i can glean.

One thing i do know is that the DE will make the surface a dead zone for any smaller bugs. You predator mites will probably be shredded on the surface. My Nematodes are probably already dust. All my ladybugs left. This is a hard game to play going into spider-mite times. Maybe they will die too???

Be careful with this. I got so mad i dislocated my shoulder smashing one on the ground...That was a SERIOUS FU.

Would Pf-97 or similar type spore be effective on grasshoppers? I know high humidity is ideal for that, maybe too dry there. I'm sure you have considered Bt. or spinosad, and 5% pyretheum, and I honestly don't know if they would be helpful at all, although the pyretheum or pf-97 seems worth trying.

 

[Avinash.miles]

def too dry for pfr outside in co, imo - worth trying perhaps, but that stuff aint cheap either.

pyrethrins might be worth a try - best of luck to yall battling the ghoppers, for some reason they ain't much of a problem where im at

 

[Ganoderma]

Worth mentioning, but not sure if I'm recalling this correctly. I think some one or I read about taking the hoppers and blending a bunch up and spraying that on the plants. This isn't something I've ever done or tried.

 

[reppin2c]

The hoppers are bad in everyone's gardens this year around the 4 corners. I have some chickens that are helping but in the spot where the thistles are, the chickens don't like to go. So the hoppers are running rampant there. The only time I'm seeing any feeding is when I can't keep up with the watering.

Last year I used a onion, garlic and cayenne water mix. Boil, let cool and strain solids. Sprayed on the plants that were getting damaged. It worked and you probably have it in the cupboard

Hope that helps

 

[who dat is]

Worth mentioning, but not sure if I'm recalling this correctly. I think some one or I read about taking the hoppers and blending a bunch up and spraying that on the plants. This isn't something I've ever done or tried.

I read a snippet about that too in Jorge Cervantes Medical Marijuana Bible, that you can take problem bugs, blend them up, and spray them on your plants. There was no specific mention of any bug or insect in particular though. I've also read that grasshoppers are cannibals so......

Tonight I made a strong solution neem spray with a shit pile of DE mixed into the sprayer. I was constantly agitating the mix as I sprayed my 3 full season plants. My thoughts here were that the DE in the neem oil would have a better chance of sticking on the plants and not getting washed off in a rain. My sprayer took two rinsings to get most of the BS out of there and there is still some goop sprinkled around in there. I figured that would also be better than trying to Lebron James DE all over the plants in the wind and Lebowski myself. We'll see what that does for the hoppers. They are only getting bolder and hungrier and bigger. Spiteful little shits are snipping whole clone sized branches apart and just letting them dangle there, not eating the rest. I don't get it?

 

[Guest]

Just wondering if anyone was aware of a proposed ordinance in Douglas Co. being considered that would impose a number of growing restrictions with the main element being a limit on plant count per residence. This ordinance would place a cap of 12 plants regardless of the number of occupants living in the home. It also places bans on compressed flammable gas and liquids, smells and growing at a rental property. The ordinance is set for second reading in August and will probably pass if no challenges are filed.

This will be a relief for someone just growing for personal use, it actually doubles the number of plants allowed under state law and places no restrictions on number of plants in flower within the 12 plant limit. I think it's gonna be great for people running small personal use grows like myself, not so great for someone wanting to grow for profit.

Just wanted to hear some thoughts from others and ask if anyone has more details about this proposal. This story is from last week's Castle Rock News-Press and is available online, couldn't figure out how to post a link

 

[Seaf0ur]

http://castlerocknewspress.net/stories/Douglas-County-restricts-growing-of-marijuana,227127

a cap does not equate to an increase. as a single person, you dont get 12.
12 would be the max limit. All existing state rules would also apply.

If you had, say 4 adults on a lease, 2 would be forced to give up their constitutional right to grow their 6 plants.

Not good.

If certain conditions can be presented that allow lawmakers to circumvent the constitution (state or otherwise).
What do you suppose that means in terms of the constitution(s) having any meaning at all?

Also... Smell??? thats pretty subjective and difficult to prove otherwise.

Basically any "odor" rule is a way for the laws to put their foot in your door and say:
"I smell something funny, thats probable cause for me to do a "compliance check""

In addition, it effectively kills any caregivers in the area... forcing folks to consume inept "master"(lol)growers corporate warehouse eagle20 buds.

tl;dr its all bad and only benefits shit joints like livwell

 

[MileHighGlass]

This shit is not legal plain and simple.

"whatever is medically necessary" trumps any of this B.S.

Hell as Seafour pointed out even the rec. growers could be impacted. What's next I can only grow 6 tomato plants per residence per adult?

Ther comin after yer plants boys!!!

And yes I typed that in hillbilly talk.

 

[Ganoderma]

If certain conditions can be presented that allow lawmakers to circumvent the constitution (state or otherwise).
What do you suppose that means in terms of the constitution(s) having any meaning at all?

"Just another trip to the bathroom, any one have any toilet paper. Oh here I'll just use this piece of paper!

Oh was that the constitution?"

 

[Ganoderma]

All they bitch about is the black market! Black market this and black market that is all that they bitch about and complain that these (people) growers are growing to sale to the black market and all they do is to restrict things more and more. IF they would look at the picture from a different view point, they should be thinking of what we can do. Instead of passing shit that keeps these people in the black market they should be passing shit that would encourage people to "play with in the state". What I mean is they have these people who if they could sell/vend their wears to the legal market it would prevent all of this black market crap and get rid of thier black market issues


Any of you read about the DEA comparing home grows to the 90's meth houses.

 

[Avinash.miles]

these are the fucks that are pushing all counties to adopt similar rules; they threw a big retreat for county officials this summer....
http://ccionline.org/

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

They should make it legal to sell to anyone over 21, with a license. Make the sales license $25. Suddenly, every grower would be 'legal.'

Hell, I'd get a license and start selling to folks, they've been begging for years.

That'll take care of the "Black Market."

Douglas

 

[Guest]

http://castlerocknewspress.net/stories/Douglas-County-restricts-growing-of-marijuana,227127

a cap does not equate to an increase. as a single person, you dont get 12.
12 would be the max limit. All existing state rules would also apply.

If you had, say 4 adults on a lease, 2 would be forced to give up their constitutional right to grow their 6 plants.

Not good.

If certain conditions can be presented that allow lawmakers to circumvent the constitution (state or otherwise).
What do you suppose that means in terms of the constitution(s) having any meaning at all?

Also... Smell??? thats pretty subjective and difficult to prove otherwise.

Basically any "odor" rule is a way for the laws to put their foot in your door and say:
"I smell something funny, thats probable cause for me to do a "compliance check""

In addition, it effectively kills any caregivers in the area... forcing folks to consume inept "master"(lol)growers corporate warehouse eagle20 buds.

tl;dr its all bad and only benefits shit joints like livwell

As I understand the article, I would be able as the homeowner to have 12 mature plants in my residence at any time, or any combination of veg/flower equaling 12. Wouldn't that would be an increase over the 6, (3 veg/3 flower) allowed now under state law? I do understand what you are saying about the lease situation and that would be bad for sure, just trying to find something positive since I can't do anything about it

 

[Jhhnn]

Just wondering if anyone was aware of a proposed ordinance in Douglas Co. being considered that would impose a number of growing restrictions with the main element being a limit on plant count per residence. This ordinance would place a cap of 12 plants regardless of the number of occupants living in the home. It also places bans on compressed flammable gas and liquids, smells and growing at a rental property. The ordinance is set for second reading in August and will probably pass if no challenges are filed.

This will be a relief for someone just growing for personal use, it actually doubles the number of plants allowed under state law and places no restrictions on number of plants in flower within the 12 plant limit. I think it's gonna be great for people running small personal use grows like myself, not so great for someone wanting to grow for profit.

Just wanted to hear some thoughts from others and ask if anyone has more details about this proposal. This story is from last week's Castle Rock News-Press and is available online, couldn't figure out how to post a link

Denver has been that way for awhile wrt A64. OTOH, nobody can tell me what the penalty would be in a household of 3 adults & 18 plants. I can't see how it would pass constitutional muster at all, given the way A64 lays it out. I haven't seen news of any enforcement action wrt that, either. I think it'd be a busted by accident scenario, anyway, given that the cops have a lot of much bigger fish to fry. They're hot & heavy on bigger out of state shippers, for sure.

The fact that people can legally have some plants really throws a kink in cops' style. Smell isn't really grounds for search unless maybe if it's ridiculous, reeking out the neighborhood like a lot of warehouse operations do periodically around here. The fact that A64 growers require no licensing or paperwork at all makes it even tougher for them.

I never was part of the Med scene so I really can't speak to that. I just play it by Denver's rules because it gives me what I want in terms of quantity & quality. Plenty of smoke for family & friends. Plenty of time to let it ripen & plenty of new kinds to try.

Old hippies never had it so good. I'm bringing Rio Negro Colombian from Centennial to the front of the line when I harvest the current mixed batch. Ben said it has "character" & I'm eager to find out.

 

[Jhhnn]

As I understand the article, I would be able as the homeowner to have 12 mature plants in my residence at any time, or any combination of veg/flower equaling 12. Wouldn't that would be an increase over the 6, (3 veg/3 flower) allowed now under state law? I do understand what you are saying about the lease situation and that would be bad for sure, just trying to find something positive since I can't do anything about it

I think enforcement would be towards the stricter state standard of 6 total but only 3 flowering per adult with a county limit of 12 per household. That's how it is in Denver.