NEW Colorado Growers Thread

[hellfire]

What is the states course of action against those growing over the limit? Let's say they are 20 plants over is this a misdemeanor? Are they just chopping and moving on maybe a fine of sorts? I only know those people that got caught growing way outside there medical count and they got probation and fines, without good lawyers they probably would have gone to jail.

Misdemeanor and a $1000 fine...for the first offense. After that it goes to a level 4 felony then a level 3.

If you have an extended count you can try to talk to your local county about getting a variance/permit for it....even more shit to clog up the system.

Seaf0ur, a wall AND a minefield.

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[Avinash.miles]

What is the states course of action against those growing over the limit? Let's say they are 20 plants over is this a misdemeanor? Are they just chopping and moving on maybe a fine of sorts? I only know those people that got caught growing way outside there medical count and they got probation and fines, without good lawyers they probably would have gone to jail.

Misdemeanor and a $1000 fine...for the first offense. After that it goes to a level 4 felony then a level 3.

If you have an extended count you can try to talk to your local county about getting a variance/permit for it....even more shit to clog up the system.

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[Riddleme]

Colorado Has a Plan to Avoid a Marijuana Crackdown by President Trump
Associated Press
Mar 25, 2017

http://time.com/4713229/donald-trump-california-marijuana/

 

[MJPassion]

The Fed does not have the authority to tell States or We The PEOPLE what to do!
Otherwise...
WTF are the 9th & 10th Amendments for?

 

[Seaf0ur]

The Fed does not have the authority to tell States or We The PEOPLE what to do!
Otherwise...
WTF are the 9th & 10th Amendments for?

Its a shell game... they say fed law trumps state law, in that command power structure you'd expect state law to trump city laws, however municipal codes override portions and add restrictions unlawfully to the state constitution.

It seems to me that they choose to enforce whatever law they want and ignore those they choose to. Hence the immigration bullshit...

well... I can choose to ignore laws also... specifically those deemed unconstitutional by me. And My constitution says I get to grow pot.

fuckem.

 

[Avinash.miles]

the current crackdown against residential grows is at the state level - feds aint doing shit and if they do it aint gonna matter to any of us - the individual growers.
IF feds decide to intervene at the state level they will go after the industry not the individuals - at least will go after industry individuals.

i acutually HOPE the feds DO crack down on recreational weed
how dope would it be if the colorado state employees got charged with crimes for issuing rec licenses? the state is complicit inthe rackateering that is going on - may be legal at state level, but to the feds this is just a giant money making scheme set up at state level and the feds dont get a taste of the action..... yet

 

[Seaf0ur]

the current crackdown against residential grows is at the state level - feds aint doing shit and if they do it aint gonna matter to any of us - the individual growers.
IF feds decide to intervene at the state level they will go after the industry not the individuals - at least will go after industry individuals.

i acutually HOPE the feds DO crack down on recreational weed
how dope would it be if the colorado state employees got charged with crimes for issuing rec licenses? the state is complicit inthe rackateering that is going on - may be legal at state level, but to the feds this is just a giant money making scheme set up at state level and the feds dont get a taste of the action..... yet

Do you honestly believe that? Sessions hates cannabis like he does heroin....

I do see the state goons fucking me & you and the low level state guys in order to get folks like Bayer in to take it all over.

HID mounting restrictions buried in municipal code and arbitrary plant counts that limit your genetic potential, zoning coding and the like certainly dont make it seem like agri-business is the target, WE are the targets and shitty chem-laden warehouses seem the intended beneficiaries. Good luck staying "legal" and doing a halfway proper pheno hunt without tossing out all your established genetics... you're limited to extremely scant future progress under the "legal" system.

The only success we can ever have in my eyes is federal DE-classification. Anything short of that is pointless in my opinion...

but hey, I dont exactly count plants over here...

 

[Avinash.miles]

Do you honestly believe that? Sessions hates cannabis like he does heroin....

I see the state goons fucking me & you in order to get folks like Bayer in to take it all over.

HID mounting restrictions buried in municipal code certainly doesnt make it seem like agri-business is the target, shitty chem-laden warehouses seem the intended beneficiaries.

The only success we can ever have in my eyes is federal DE-classification. Anything short of that is pointless in my eyes...

but hey, I dont exactly count plants over here, I grow what fits.

if you go fishing you go after the big fish, the CATCH not the minnows
feds are same way, look how the do in cali - helicopters dropping on the big farms, not lil guys generally (they let the locals regulate the lil guys down to non compliance) like the HID mounting restrictions in the municipal code (thats local, state level, not feds, feds want the big fish, let the locals deal with the lil growers)feds want big fish, state fucks w the minnows (1220 &1221 are big nets to catch many minnows)
you know im right, because in yer post above (in bold now) you said state goons.... not fed goons

state is the beneficiary of the big rec warehouse grows you refer to, feds don't see a dime relative to what the state of colorado is pulling down (and local municipalities and counties as well). state of colorado has already done a great job of stacking the deck in favor of the licensed rec stores (more evidence of rackateering, which will most likely never be prosecuted, i realize feds going after state employees for licensing rec sales is a pipe dream, but aint it a dreamy one? imagine if the feds shut down the rec scene, med could flourish again, and would be the ONLY safe legal access again).

i'd love to see fed de-scheduling, just think that is a pipe dream,
no way they are just going to catch and release.... the powers that be wana make a fish fry out of this whole cannabis thing.... them and all their peeps (bayer) are gonna eat on this (profit interests are going to get PAID one way or another before any kind of de-scheduling happens)

duno where the republicans actually stand on all this but sessions certainly seems super duper anti cannabis in every way, trump on the other hand seems to have made statements in favor of med and against rec (but that was on the campaign trial when candidates can just say ANYTHING)
time will tell....

 

[Seaf0ur]

I realize feds going after state employees for licensing rec sales is a pipe dream, but aint it a dreamy one? imagine if the feds shut down the rec scene, med could flourish again, and would be the ONLY safe legal access again). Yes, that would be a delicious sight to behold...

i'd love to see fed de-scheduling, just think that is a pipe dream,
no way they are just going to catch and release....

Alcohol prohibition had its end. In my opinion, the 2 situations are almost identical. We already have our versions of homebrewing and "gin houses" and bootleggers, We've got politically friendly locations, yet federal disapproval... the similarities are astounding.

duno where the republicans actually stand on all this but sessions certainly seems super duper anti cannabis in every way, trump on the other hand seems to have made statements in favor of med and against rec (but that was on the campaign trial when candidates can just say ANYTHING)
time will tell....

It certainly will... although I will say, I've never seen a president who, once elected, began doing every damn thing he said on the stump... you may not have liked what he had to say, be he is certainly following through rapidly.... for better or worse remains to be seen... co-signing his name publicly onto paul ryans health care bill from when he and mittens romney ran 4 prez was a major boneheaded fuck-up...
low energy.

 

[Avinash.miles]

alcohol prohibition is nearly identical to cannabis prohibition?
not quite, bud
time frame alone (cannabis strictly prohibited for generations, alcohol prohibited but not the same way for only 13 years)
imo the biggest difference between cannabis prohibition and alcohol prohibition is taht possession wasn't criminalized under alcohol prohibiton, just selling, distributing, manufacturing and importing
end users were not criminalized, fined and locked up the same as with the current cannabis prohibition (in places NOT like colordo, which is basically the entire rest of the world in comparison to 20-something states with non-cohesive med programs and a handful of rec states with equally unique programs)

as for non cannabis related politics, not even remotely interested or informed on the circus of distractions

i'd LOVE to see cannabis de-sched, just don't think its likely anytime remotely soon

bottom line is that feds ain't coming out hard against medical use, but against rec use legality (and hopefully the state licensing thereof)
it's the STATE of colorado that is directly coming at us currently and consistently

 

[Ganoderma]

It's the prohibitionists who have been emboldened by Sessions vocal rantings or those looking for an excuse to crack down on everything/ every one. It's like the KKK giving a speech and their followers then decide to go out and lench a bunch of people because they where emboldened by said persons words.

So now the people who have been fighting against this the whole time now have started to try to use this to start rolling things back. These are elected people, law enforcement people, who are pushing their interests, not the peoples interest. Or they are just scarred of the Feds.

So where are the groups fighting for the people's rights?

Granted this hasn't been passed and been signed yet, but it's a clear and present danger.

 

[Avinash.miles]

So where are the groups fighting for the people's rights?

Granted this hasn't been passed and been signed yet, but it's a clear and present danger.

patient rights groups are mostly sell-outs, taking people's money as if to represent their best interests but instantly sell out those intetests when a bigger payday comes along
essentially they have become lobbyists
imo 1221 & 1220 will pass, their supporters are blind and they don't even need support from each other (aguilar who sponsors 1221 doesn't even support 1220)

 

[Avinash.miles]

Although this legislative session most of the cannabis activist attention has been on the (unconstitutional) plant count restrictions in what HB-1221 defines as a residence (any outbuilding on a property where anyone lives, no matter how far from the home that is actually being resided in); however; HB-1221 is equally horrific, if not more so, than 1220. Why? Because 1221 finances police to enforce 1220. In Colorado, localities have the option to opt out of all marijuana business - by not licensing any business in their jurisdiction. HB-1221 will create a grant program specifically for law enforcement to address marijuana infractions. Grant programs are already in place, and nearly every county is eligble for these grants, any county with at least one recreational business OR any county contiguous with a county with just ONE recreational marijuana store is eligible.
from Title 39. Taxation § 39-28.8-501. Marijuana tax cash fund--creation--distribution--repeal:

the creation of local government retail marijuana impact grant program created in section 24-32-117, C.R.S

from 24-32-117:

The local government retail marijuana impact grant program is created in the division.  Through the program, the division shall award grants to eligible local governments for documented marijuana impacts

Essentially, 1221 redundantly creates revenue stream from marijuana tax cash fund AND from state budget - not just to help the counties out with issues they are having, but ONLY to fund law enforcement. So now not only is there a retail marijuana impact grant program within the marijuana tax cash fun, but also there will be a "gray and black market marijuana enforcement grant program" as well.

Delta County qualifies under HB-1221 as rural and stands to get first access to grants given by this new marijuana enforcement grant program, despite the fact that the very rural county has funds available if the need was real, not only via the lottery fund but also via ample state and federal funding. Delta County has received lottery funds that are maintained in a Conservation Trust Fund (CTF) as required by the state and year-end reports are filed by the county to show funds received and how the funds are been spent. The county report for 2016 shows an ending balance in their trust fund of $490,146.15 which includes hold-over funds from previous years. This is not to say that Delta County SHOULD use these funds for law enforcement issues surrounding gray and black market marijuana, but instead to say that if it were a big enough issue in this county these funds could be made available to law enforcement for such a cause if need be.
In 2014-15 alone the marijuana tax fund gave over 1.5 million toward law enforcement training, "expertise on regulations", and a training support board as well.
( https://leg.colorado.gov/sites/defa...on_of_marijuana_tax_revenue_issue_brief_1.pdf )

The safe legal access to marijuana (especially medical) created by both Amendment 20 and Amendment 64 are a boon to the state of Colorado, not only financially but also for the health of it's citizens. This fact is stated over and over in legislation and in constitutional amendments, that marijuana programs and grant programs should aim to benefit the health of the citizens of Colorado. It is wrong for the state to curtail valid medical marijuana patients ability to legally grow what their doctor has recommended (especially in places with no other form of access, no licensed dispensaries). It is not only wrong to do so, but also the funding of this marijuana enforcement grant program is redundant.

 

[Seaf0ur]

 

[Avinash.miles]

they are defining gray market as produced legally (using extended plant count) but distributed illegally

for a second i thought they were talking about all the peeps over 60 who want a bag of this dank i'm growing

 

[Seaf0ur]

they are defining gray market as produced legally (using extended plant count) but distributed illegally

for a second i thought they were talking about all the peeps over 60 who want a bag of this dank i'm growing

Ok, but heres the problem... even by their definition - its produced legally!
Even if the problem is illegal distribution, that is not what they are attacking.
They are attacking the legal production.
There is no presumption of innocence, instead its yet another "guilty until proven innocent" situation...
...except I guess in their perfect scenario there is no way to prove innocence so we are all defacto preemptively deemed guilty (like with odor violations)

They offer you extra-constitutional privileges if you pay a tax and put your name on a list...
Then their enforcement arm ignores those privileges at any whim when encountered...
Now they want to revoke those paid-for and taxed privileges because, you know, selling-out & virtue-signaling...

Guess what fellas.... 1984 WAS an instruction manual....

 

[Avinash.miles]

Ok, but heres the problem... even by their definition - its produced legally!
Even if the problem is illegal distribution, that is not what they are attacking.
They are attacking the legal production.
There is no presumption of innocence, instead its yet another "guilty until proven innocent" situation...
...except I guess in their perfect scenario there is no way to prove innocence so we are all defacto preemptively deemed guilty (like with odor violations)

They offer you extra-constitutional privileges if you pay a tax and put your name on a list...
Then their enforcement arm ignores those privileges at any whim when encountered...
Now they want to revoke those paid-for and taxed privileges because, you know, selling-out & virtue-signaling...

Guess what fellas.... 1984 WAS an instruction manual....

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agree
but
you pay the tax one way or the other, pay the doc and state (only 15$) or you pay a ridiculous taxes on rec to state, county and locality

 

[Seaf0ur]

agree
but
you pay the tax one way or the other, pay the doc and state (only 15$) or you pay a ridiculous taxes on rec to state, county and locality

Right... you pay either way, but the benefit you get is withheld at any given chance... thats what makes it so frustrating.
If they left well enough alone, that'd be one thing, but its clear that they are moving the goalposts one step at a time right back to prohibition.
They will continue to make compliance an increasing pain and try to change laws right out from under people as quietly as possible.
Take this gray market shit... they've been screaming that since day 1... and the more laws they quietly try to change, the more folks will find themselves outside of legal compliance while thinking they are obeying to the letter.
They keep on with square footage restrictions, HID mounting restrictions, household limits and the like where plenty of folks who once were legal - no longer are.
Anyone in Brighton who has been growing for years recently had to scrap ALL of their HID lights and switch to LEDs to remain legal.
They constantly play a shell game concerning legality and its simply draining.

 

[Avinash.miles]

i think colorado springs did the same with HID restrictions
not sure if the 315w CMH qualifies as HID

fwiw longmont fought their local restrictions and the town backed down
doesnt matter now because the state is setting the rule

 

[Seaf0ur]

i think colorado springs did the same with HID restrictions
not sure if the 315w CMH qualifies as HID

fwiw longmont fought their local restrictions and the town backed down
doesnt matter now because the state is setting the rule

...and regular folks are supposed to keep up with all these backroom council meetings... moved at the last minute to new locations... and change out all their equipment when someone with no working knowledge of the subject makes arbitrary restrictions?

I think you're right... "doesnt matter now because the state is setting the rule"

extrapolate that pattern out over time... do you think they are going to stop arbitrarily changing things to be more restrictive?

Do you expect future changes to be less restrictive based on the pattern they've presented legally?

I personally expect a death of 1000 cuts... constant pile-on until only folks like Bayer can continue to afford to be legal.