NEW Colorado Growers Thread

[Avinash.miles]

i think that right now the pendulum of politics and public opinion is swinging toward restrictions not broader safe legal access and it has been for some time going in this same direction
but in time it will swing back the other way.... i believe

how about this: http://nypost.com/2017/03/25/colorados-plan-to-beat-a-federal-pot-crackdown/
one lawmaker in colorado wants to introduce a bill that would magically overnight convert ALL rec weed and rec licenses to med, for no other reason than to remain federally compliant

how is that for diminishing the perception of real cannabis patients - just call all the rec stuff med just to stay legal?

this is a sign that the state has second guesses about all those rec licenses, the possibility of rackateering cases that include state licensing agencies & tax collecting agencies.....

how dope would that be????
/pipe dream

 

[hellfire]

Death by a thousand laws indeed. I think 1220 and 1221 are going to pass, if not 1220 then 1221 definitely will. 1220 has had a ton of amendments added to it already which makes it look like a bad bill from the start.

how about this: http://nypost.com/2017/03/25/colorados-plan-to-beat-a-federal-pot-crackdown/
one lawmaker in colorado wants to introduce a bill that would magically overnight convert ALL rec weed and rec licenses to med, for no other reason than to remain federally compliant

how is that for diminishing the perception of real cannabis patients - just call all the rec stuff med just to stay legal?

this is a sign that the state has second guesses about all those rec licenses, the possibility of rackateering cases that include state licensing agencies & tax collecting agencies.....

how dope would that be????
/pipe dream

What an insult to the entire medical community. Turning rec all into medical is just an insulting and despicable idea.

That is a pipe dream. I would love to see it happen though. The DEA should be going after all the chemical laden rec weed that is going through state lines out the backdoor of MED licensed grows. The MED should have a few internal cases over corruption and inability to properly enforce the guidelines they're supposed to.

Even if 1220 passes I foresee class action lawsuits in the future.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Death by a thousand laws indeed. I think 1220 and 1221 are going to pass, if not 1220 then 1221 definitely will. 1220 has had a ton of amendments added to it already which makes it look like a bad bill from the start.



What an insult to the entire medical community. Turning rec all into medical is just an insulting and despicable idea.

That is a pipe dream. I would love to see it happen though. The DEA should be going after all the chemical laden rec weed that is going through state lines out the backdoor of MED licensed grows. The MED should have a few internal cases over corruption and inability to properly enforce the guidelines they're supposed to.

Even if 1220 passes I foresee class action lawsuits in the future.

despicable i agree
but... is it real?
the article mentions no bill number, i can't find the bill.... no response from the office of the tim neville....
may not be real
nyp aint nyt
that's for sure

 

[Seaf0ur]

HB 17-1220 & 1221 (pdf)

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb17-1220
Prevent Marijuana Diversion To Illegal Market
Concerning measures to stop diversion of legal marijuana to the illegal market.
Session: 2017 Regular Session
Subject: Crimes, Corrections, & Enforcement

The bill places a cap on the number of plants that can be possessed or grown on a residential property at 16 plants unless a local jurisdiction permits possessing or growing more than 16 plants. The criminal penalties for violating the cultivation limit are:

A level 1 drug petty offense for a first offense if the offense involves more than twelve plants, punishable by a fine of up to one thousand dollars;
A level 4 drug felony for a second or subsequent offense if the offense involves more than twelve but not more than thirty plants; or
A level 3 drug felony for a second or subsequent offense if the offense involves more than thirty plants.

A medical marijuana patient or primary caregiver who cultivates more than 16 plants must cultivate the plants in compliance with applicable city, county, or city and county law.

The bill requires a patient or primary caregiver cultivating medical marijuana to comply with all local laws, regulations, and zoning requirements.


(Note: This summary applies to the reengrossed version of this bill as introduced in the second house.)



https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb17-1221
Grey And Black Market Marijuana Enforcement Efforts
Concerning gray and black market marijuana enforcement efforts, and, in connection therewith, making an appropriation.
Session: 2017 Regular Session

Committee on Cost-benefit Analysis of Legalized Marijuana in Colorado. The state constitution grants a person the authority to assist another person in cultivating medical and recreational marijuana plants. The bill states that a person is not in compliance with the authority to assist another individual and is subject to marijuana cultivation criminal offenses and penalties if the person possesses any marijuana plant that he or she is growing on behalf of another individual, unless he or she is the primary caregiver for the individual and is in compliance with the requirements of section 25-1.5-106.

The bill creates the gray and black market marijuana enforcement grant program (grant program) in the division of local government in the department of local affairs (division). The grant program awards grants to local governments to reimburse the local governments, in part or in full, for law enforcement and prosecution costs associated with gray and black marijuana markets. A rural local government has priority in receiving grants. The general assembly may appropriate money from the marijuana tax cash fund or the proposition AA refund account to the division for the grant program. The bill appropriates $5,945,392 from the marijuana tax cash fund to the division to fund the grant program. The division shall adopt policies and procedures for the administration of the grant program, including rules related to the application process and the grant award criteria. The division shall include information regarding the effectiveness of the grant program in its SMART presentation beginning in November 2019.


(Note: This summary applies to the reengrossed version of this bill as introduced in the second house.)

 

[Avinash.miles]

1220 and 1221 are not the bills in question... the ones that would allow co rec stores and weed to be converted to med in the event of federal intervention
not the ones referenced in the new york post article i linked to above

its one that tim neville sponsored, and there are 2 marijuana related bills he sponsored, neither one is explicit about any switch from med to rec, but it's possible that i missed it
http://leg.colorado.gov/legislators/tim-neville

 

[Seaf0ur]

I thought it was in reference to the gray market shenanigans...

That shit you're talking would serve only 1 purpose long term as I see it... rolling up med patients with the rec users into a "basket of deplorables" in order to chip away at med protections...

It may serve short-term to avoid federal intervention on the rec market, but it would have negative impact on the med side as it would serve to "prove" some opinionated assholes correct in their own minds about there being "no legitimate medical use" and how there is "no difference" between med & rec in the first place...

Passing a law to arbitrarily switch rec into "med" would completely diminish med altogether... and we know med is well better legislated and protected than the chop job they did on rec in the first place... once they remove the segregation between med & rec It's only a matter of time before they'll go full LOLbertarian mode over the shekels involved...

I wish it a miserable failure.

Also, wouldn't it be nice if they proposed legislation to protect our rights instead of eroding away at them like a Georgia thunderstorm at each and every possible turn?

They wont... ever...

...but it's a nice thought.

 

[hellfire]

They're thirsty for the tax money. Clamping down on medical extended plant counts in residential areas will force people to go to the dispensaries and with that other bill that's coming in they're talking about letting counties also add their own tax to any marijuana/products sold in their county.

Meanwhile on the other side LivWell and a couple other industry dickbag millionaires are forming a lobbying group for recreational marijuana. Right at the same time all this crackdown on homegrowing is going through...

I see lawsuits coming out of 1220, there's people that will die because of no affordable access to their medicine, people who have already been through the loop of pharmaceutical drugs and insurance costs etc. At the same time I also see it as being a test of how well your local county is on constitutional laws, I am willing to bet that a lot of rural CO counties will tell Denver and its bullshit city laws to go fuck itself and reset back to 99 plant counts being fine.

 

[Avinash.miles]

They're thirsty for the tax money. Clamping down on medical extended plant counts in residential areas will force people to go to the dispensaries and with that other bill that's coming in they're talking about letting counties also add their own tax to any marijuana/products sold in their county.

true
but
in many rural countie sthere are NO dispensaries to go to as an alternative to grow your own ( many many many counties have no dispensaries)
for many many many patients this limitation will mean the END of safe legal access for them
real patients in need on fixed income cant drive 80 mile round trip to buy overpriced low quality meds

Meanwhile on the other side LivWell and a couple other industry dickbag millionaires are forming a lobbying group for recreational marijuana. Right at the same time all this crackdown on homegrowing is going through...

]industry group lobbyists are not a new thing
see also MIG of which riverrock is a founding member
MIG's representing lawyer is the SAME lawyer that reps the oil & gas industry in colorado

I see lawsuits coming out of 1220, there's people that will die because of no affordable access to their medicine, people who have already been through the loop of pharmaceutical drugs and insurance costs etc. At the same time I also see it as being a test of how well your local county is on constitutional laws, I am willing to bet that a lot of rural CO counties will tell Denver and its bullshit city laws to go fuck itself and reset back to 99 plant counts being fine.

there is a bill in co sponsored by tim neville that would make any locality that wants to ban or put moratorium on fracking have to pay the oil/gas industry the value of the resources at market value.....

 

[Corvette Doc]

i think that right now the pendulum of politics and public opinion is swinging toward restrictions not broader safe legal access and it has been for some time going in this same direction
but in time it will swing back the other way.... i believe

how about this: http://nypost.com/2017/03/25/colorados-plan-to-beat-a-federal-pot-crackdown/
one lawmaker in colorado wants to introduce a bill that would magically overnight convert ALL rec weed and rec licenses to med, for no other reason than to remain federally compliant

how is that for diminishing the perception of real cannabis patients - just call all the rec stuff med just to stay legal?

this is a sign that the state has second guesses about all those rec licenses, the possibility of rackateering cases that include state licensing agencies & tax collecting agencies.....

how dope would that be????
/pipe dream

So where would the leave me???

 

[Seaf0ur]

So where would the leave me???

 

[meowmeowmeow]

Now for a break from THE NEWS .......

Now for a break from THE NEWS .......

Fun with a $15 microscope attachment on the cell phone the other night.
Some progression through the life of the DJ Short's Blueberry for shits n giggles.





Rain rain go away

 

[Avinash.miles]

wow moewmeowmeow
that some beautiful colorful foliage on that plant, just stunning

 

[meowmeowmeow]

Pt deux........

Pt deux........

A nice over head of the Bobby Johnson OG 2.0 (1 of 2 in the pheno hunt) from Ript Genetics out of Michigan.

She (I hope) is purty






PS Gracias Miles.....I appreciate it coming from you. "bows"

 

[Seaf0ur]

Fun with a $15 microscope attachment on the cell phone the other night.
Some progression through the life of the DJ Short's Blueberry for shits n giggles.

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Rain rain go away

Lookin real good over there.

 

[meowmeowmeow]

Word Seafour.......
those cuts are still around and looking good.
Cut a clone or 2 off 2 of them today.
May flip'em outside and let'em blow up.

 

[hellfire]

Katsu, Shackzilla, ChemDI95

 

[Muleskinner]

Bad news! The govt. is moving backward, instead of lowering the tax rate to wipe out the black market, they're ramping up the War on Drugs and re-starting Prohibition:

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/04/10/colorado-pot-co-ops/

Colorado set to prohibit marijuana co-op growing operations

By KRISTEN WYATT | The Associated Press
April 10, 2017 at 1:02 pm

DENVER — Colorado was set Monday to outlaw marijuana growing co-ops soon after the state Senate unanimously approved a bill making it a crime to for people to cultivate recreational pot for other people.

The bill supported by the office Gov. John Hickenlooper passed 35-0 but it was unclear when he would sign it.

There are no state estimates on how many collective recreational marijuana growing operations exist in Colorado, though they are popular among users who share the cost of electricity, water and fertilizer to grow their pot.

Colorado legalized recreational marijuana in 2012, but it has a nagging black-market problem. Law enforcement and state lawmakers attribute the black-market problem in part to weak restrictions on who can grow pot.

The Colorado state constitution authorizes people over 21 to grow their own pot, or to assist someone else in growing pot. That language allows groups to designate a single “farmer” to care for their marijuana plants, allowing them to avoid pot taxes that approach 30 percent, depending on the jurisdiction.

But police groups and Hickenlooper, a Democrat, have called on lawmakers to curb the practice of assisting other recreational pot users.

The bill had already passed the House.

The governor plans to sign another bill this week in the state’s pot crackdown. It limits the number of marijuana plants that can be grown in a home to 12 plants, which would force medical marijuana users authorized to grow more than 12 plants to grow it in agricultural or commercial locations or to buy it from dispensaries that tax marijuana.

Hickenlooper plans to sign that bill this week, his office said.

The bill passed Monday also provides $6 million a year in marijuana tax revenues to give law enforcement agencies more money to investigate illegal pot growing operations.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Bad news! The govt. is moving backward, instead of lowering the tax rate to wipe out the black market, they're ramping up the War on Drugs and re-starting Prohibition:

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/04/10/colorado-pot-co-ops/

Colorado set to prohibit marijuana co-op growing operations

By KRISTEN WYATT | The Associated Press
April 10, 2017 at 1:02 pm

DENVER — Colorado was set Monday to outlaw marijuana growing co-ops soon after the state Senate unanimously approved a bill making it a crime to for people to cultivate recreational pot for other people.

The bill supported by the office Gov. John Hickenlooper passed 35-0 but it was unclear when he would sign it.

There are no state estimates on how many collective recreational marijuana growing operations exist in Colorado, though they are popular among users who share the cost of electricity, water and fertilizer to grow their pot.

Colorado legalized recreational marijuana in 2012, but it has a nagging black-market problem. Law enforcement and state lawmakers attribute the black-market problem in part to weak restrictions on who can grow pot.

The Colorado state constitution authorizes people over 21 to grow their own pot, or to assist someone else in growing pot. That language allows groups to designate a single “farmer” to care for their marijuana plants, allowing them to avoid pot taxes that approach 30 percent, depending on the jurisdiction.

But police groups and Hickenlooper, a Democrat, have called on lawmakers to curb the practice of assisting other recreational pot users.

The bill had already passed the House.

The governor plans to sign another bill this week in the state’s pot crackdown. It limits the number of marijuana plants that can be grown in a home to 12 plants, which would force medical marijuana users authorized to grow more than 12 plants to grow it in agricultural or commercial locations or to buy it from dispensaries that tax marijuana.

Hickenlooper plans to sign that bill this week, his office said.

The bill passed Monday also provides $6 million a year in marijuana tax revenues to give law enforcement agencies more money to investigate illegal pot growing operations.

never heard of it

 

[redlaser]

Is it safe to say you guys aren't too worried about the state of Colorado being able to reverse your cannabis laws since it's in the constitution?
Always going to be 40-60% of the population against all cannabis no matter what, and constant effort to revert to reefer mania days. Big money in fighting plants that are stationary and tended by mostly non violent types.

 

[BOMBAYCAT]

The Governor is all for states rights. He is planning right now for if something happens. He was quoted that he was going to wave his magic wand and instantly turn all the REC into MED since big orange and Sessions think MED is different. Also the state attorney general is not very fond of Washington telling Colorado what to do. There is also a very well established precedent that the states can't be drafted into being Washington helpers if the states disagree with any Federal activities. What worries me some is the state might play games with MED and raise the tax. There is a quite significant tax difference now.

The state is heavily addicted to the Cannabis tax revenue stream (think alcohol taxation and tobacco taxation) and they will fight big orange to keep it.