🤩… NEVILS HAZE x TOM HILL HAZE

[Chi13]

Hi there
I associate narcotic with analgesic
I love outdoor entheogens. I never tried K, I dont know. It seems to me an experience that floors you, it seems it is designed to fight pain
Have you done Salvia Divinorum? This kind of entheogen if you use the smoked concentrate form x5 or x10 you cannot take without someone having a look at you. You dont make it to the toilet if you need

What I do see from this side of the screen is that you are attracting to yourself a lot of unwanted attention and probably this attention whore problem is what got you in problems with police

For me all this modern weed being sold and hyped is all hashplants, no matter if you make rosin or smoke it as bud regardless of quality. All stuff I see being grown in Usa or europe is hashplant. All I bought commercially from Europe carrying sativa names are hashplants and I see same shit happening in Usa

If you get a better high from rosin than from bud, it is a hashplant.
I like outdoor weed same like entheogens and nothing is about your quality as a commercial grower

When you call something haze it is not clear if you talk about hashplant or sativa
This is how upside down things are

You get offended too easily with truth
Magic is about illusion, I dont like magic
You are growing illusion and this thread is about illusion
Is this about paying the bills or about growing good quality weed?
Illusion pay the bills, truth will never pay your bills

Why are you judging a drug effect you have not tried, and further making a call on someones character, who I'm guessing you've never met?

There's a lot of hybrid cannabis that is narcotic, but also many hybrids that clearly, by the way they effect, not hashplants. Some European growers are working with pure or near sativa genetics such as Maha and Mac. This thread is Mahas chosen NH that he chose because it didn't have hash plant effects, crossed with THH. Look at the plants. They are not hashplants in any way.

Calling everything a hashplant that doesn't meet your approval does not make it so.

Flower power is old enough to have experienced the best import Thais and Colombians. He knows what a sativa high is, and I'm pretty sure he said he grows this for personal.

Wish some of you would start your own threads rather than dump your neurosis in every random haze thread.

We should be applauding the renewed interest in these plants in the USA and Europe, not dumping on those who are working on and growing these strains.

 

[flower~power]

Is this about paying the bills or about growing good quality weed?
Illusion pay the bills, truth will never pay your bills

I don’t mind responding …fortunately my illusions allow me to do both of those things

 

[Nexus7]

So how do all these hazes(wal, maha,jc)compare to the all other more hybrid stuff you grow?

If you could only have one plant what would it be?

Does that one plant really stand out from all the others? Or is it a much of a muchness?

Just wondering ...

 

[flower~power]

I don’t smoke I vape concentrates so can’t say if my opinions are valid but I can tell you that I love the haze and the haze hybrids & guess I got lucky ? I could give you a ranking off the top of my head …but that’s just me..

 

[ICGA]

I could get deep , go into All the burning Bush post . But I know you’re not into details like that . I think you’ll appreciate these two post from Sams below

Nevil did not have OHaze seeds from before the 70's 80"s as he got his OHaze from me and I only sold him seeds I had made, all 100% OHaze, but not from the 60's or early 70's as I did not start making OHaze seeds until the mid 70's and in large amounts in the 80's in Holland. I think I sold him seeds I made in Holland after 85'.
Sams

To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976. One way or another something is not correct about the 1969 date, and that is what you are going on. As far as I know all Nevilles work with Haze was from Original Haze he got from me, that's what he told me anyway, back in the 80's.

-SamS


2 Interesting Post from Nevil below


The subject of Haze keeps coming up.
I got mine from Sam the Skunkman in the 80's. I bought a couple of thousand of old stock late 60s/ 70. The first batch that I planted produced one plant, a female.




Well Bigherb, I wouldn't swear on a kilo of Haze Hash, that he told me that he grew them himself.

I seem to remember one batch had a number of years mixed together something like '66,'67,'68. A prominent ancestor was a thing called "Burning Bush". If Sam didn't grow burning bush then the person that did will be able to tell us more.

Everything useful was from before 1970. The one plant that came up from '70 batch, Omega, was at best 25% haze and didn't make the grade.

N.

Nevil answered many and most of my questions in open post . I have them all saved along with Sams post which he responds to Nevil . Sams has also shared some info in Pm

My 2 cents is

According to what the community has discussed for years . The Nevs Haze stock
Was highly possibly a Thai x Haze hybrid

Or
most (the very Few) members / Older folks who posted have never experienced a pure Thai / pure original Haze . Nor a late 60’s Colombian / late 60’s Thai

Remember Sams admits he didn’t smoke Haze until 71 and Tom Hill never smoked original Haze in the 70’s
But smoked Thai from the 80’s /82


You got my wheels spinning

1luvbigherb

Or the phenotypes they selected were Thai dominant f2s that led to progeny that had more Thai influence then other selections. Which mite make sense as they could have been the ones with a more exotic terpine profile and a little shorter flowering period.

 

[ICGA]

Hi there
I associate narcotic with analgesic
I love outdoor entheogens. I never tried K, I dont know. It seems to me an experience that floors you, it seems it is designed to fight pain
Have you done Salvia Divinorum? This kind of entheogen if you use the smoked concentrate form x5 or x10 you cannot take without someone having a look at you. You dont make it to the toilet if you need

What I do see from this side of the screen is that you are attracting to yourself a lot of unwanted attention and probably this attention whore problem is what got you in problems with police

For me all this modern weed being sold and hyped is all hashplants, no matter if you make rosin or smoke it as bud regardless of quality. All stuff I see being grown in Usa or europe is hashplant. All I bought commercially from Europe carrying sativa names are hashplants and I see same shit happening in Usa

If you get a better high from rosin than from bud, it is a hashplant.
I like outdoor weed same like entheogens and nothing is about your quality as a commercial grower

When you call something haze it is not clear if you talk about hashplant or sativa
This is how upside down things are

You get offended too easily with truth
Magic is about illusion, I dont like magic
You are growing illusion and this thread is about illusion
Is this about paying the bills or about growing good quality weed?
Illusion pay the bills, truth will never pay your bills

So it mite be true that dry sift hash doesn't work so good with most sativa but rosin is basically machine made charas with less contaminants and charas is usually made from sativa dominant plants from what I can tell. Maybe not like South East Asian stimulant type sativa but they have small sticky buds with longer internodes if I'm not mistaken. So I don't see how you can say that anything that makes good rosin is a hash plant. Any good resin exscreeting plant that doesnt have too dese of a bud structure should make good rosin yes?

 

[Piff_cat]

i think the article may support colombian being a major part of haze- clearly states the first traffickers in 60s were hippys small loads and traded LSD for flower. thats a pinpoint near santa cruz/cali

it also says the oldest and main variety in the 60s was red point which is most likely indian origins(orissa)

. further looks like the very first lines came in on the seaports pacific side even before the pharma lines are brought in 30s. the landraces coming to colombia in these seaports before the panama canal would be se asian/korean(which played big part in early hawaiians. the later colombians have been traced back to south africa thru allozyme testing. colombias environment/location frequntly results in imported plants genome doubling(polyploid) thru shock. haze clearly has chromosome mutants in its earliest founders in fact an "aneuploid swarm" describes big herbs back cross 4 pheno article. heres an article on segmental aneuploids which mirrors herbs info

Profiling expression changes caused by a segmental aneuploid in maize - BMC Genomics

Background While changes in chromosome number that result in aneuploidy are associated with phenotypic consequences such as Down syndrome and cancer, the molecular causes of specific phenotypes and genome-wide expression changes that occur in aneuploids are still being elucidated. Results We...

bmcgenomics.biomedcentral.com

 

[flower~power]

 

[flower~power]

I brought a friend over to sniff out the 4 month cured HazeX and he says it’s Sandalwood … …

 

[bigherb]

I brought a friend over to sniff out the 4 month cured HazeX and he says it’s Sandalwood … …

Must be from Neville’s Haze , considering Tom Hill has said his line does not carry that trait

Interesting the hybrid would dominate a Pure Posi Haze

1luvbigherb

 

[flower~power]

Must be from Neville’s Haze , considering Tom Hill has said his line does not carry that trait

Interesting the hybrid would dominate a Pure Posi Haze

1luvbigherb

It just might…

 

[flower~power]

 

[flower~power]

 

[flower~power]

Those are two different sister plants, top one has a Hazier structure (and now it has a silver sheen…Laugh out loud Silver Haze … ..bottom pic from a bit of a chunkier sister

 

[flower~power]

I think I’m gonna be able to get an “unbiased” review in here very shortly

 

[CannaT]

By look and sandalwood smell its more Dutch haze pheno im 100% shure in that.

 

[flower~power]

Whatever it is it’s killer

 

[MAHA KALA]

Whatever it is it’s killer

bro.. dont say that and dont feed idiots.. we know what exactly is.. it is lemony/piney wood spicy thai pheno of Nhz, no frankies in it, not narcotic effect like colombian dominant haze A... and heavy thai positronics males mixed in.. thats what it is exactly... very thai dom.. not like A haze at all...

let characterize classic thai sativa. it is tall thin light green, it is sour lemony, sometimes mango, floral, spicy... nothing like heavy church livery garlic dead rotten flowers of A haze... the effects are clear, very cerebral, and mainly.. clean comedown - total opposite to A haze... the effects of A haze are narcotic, dark, muddy and dirty, space out effect with relaxing stone so typical for narcotic colombians... and thai has zero cbd in it - again opposite to colombian dom A haze...

statement that A haze is thai dom, is equal to statement that the Earth is flat... there will be some group of people who will believe that the Earth is flat...

but most of us dont believe it. and in the same meaning, most of us who smoked A haze progeny know that it is typical colombian dom haze. mainly colombian dom... why to call it thai, when it is not? answer is: trolls. trolls always try to present obvious lie as the truth... it is not about genetics, it is about trolls who want to get attention...

anybody who grew original haze, know difference between thai dom one and colombian dom one... it is not secret. it is totally clear and known world wide...

positronics haze is superior to the one in nevilles haze as far as psychoactvity goes, as in nevilles haze there is green colombian with hint of thai haze, really little hint of it... and thai is simply more psychoactive than any colombian.

 

[MAHA KALA]

bandaid haze #7 x black vietnamese

 

[Rgd]

I have no idea about which haze goes where


ot1 was not sedating..but seemed to have some wld some where down the line..its pleasant fairly potent

madmac ohz s1 was very nld ..had sedation...more potent than OT hz..less happy but I stlll enjoy it..

so haze seed from Tom is?