🤩… NEVILS HAZE x TOM HILL HAZE

[CannaT]

I think all these Haze dominat plants and great keeper phenos founded in them, are just like pizza...there are different indrigents on pizza..but at the end its all pizza.

Hope that this help.

 

[flower~power]

Anyone who’s looking for an incredible Haze and they don’t find it ..needs to keep looking because it exists

 

[ICGA]

check it out so this is the 2017 lynch database phylogeny. using genotype by sequence which places strains together according to shared ancestors. it puts them in order of most primal which allows us to see where divergence happens. the most diverse oldest strains occupy the basal posiition aka the bottom of chart.

the test found surprising results when it uncovered a highly divergent basal group of ancestors and their progeny. everyone of these cultivars (with exception of thai/laos landraces) are 69 haze progeny. here are the members of this se asian nld clade
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to give you an idea of how long this chart is it contains over 400 lines. this example is just the bottom half
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always a big fan of your passion for haze herb and ive found alot of data which supports the "4 phenotypes after backcross" article you wrote.
i prefer to find out as much as possible about the homelands of sativa llines because even after they move(south africa to colombia etc) the stamp from their original environment is retained.

colombian genetics are especially tricky becasue multiple generations of lines from all over se asia/india plus alot of mexican lines also built the colombians in some cases the line may have had 2 or 3 layovers on the trip from primal asia on to africa then south america etc

Is there anyone out there who can make educated speculations about Lemon Verde? There seems to be some information suggesting that it's similar or the same to Michoacan. RC reports that in the 70s Michoacan was crossed with Thai and became an airloom in the Michoacan region, which was later brought to the Santa Cruz area for continued selection. If This Thai was a Lemon Thai, then possibly Lemon Verde Colombian is = (Michoacan Landrace/Lemon Thai open pollinated and selected as a heirloom) and could have been exported from Mexico to Colombia. From my research there is a strain called Lemon Verde in Colombia i.e. Strain Hunters; El Gato refers to it. But other internet research refers to Lemon Verde as a strain from the Michoacan region. If anyone cares to come out of the wood work about these strains perhaps now is the time?
Thanks

 

[ICGA]

I thought this was interesting what is in bold and Sams experience with Thai/ Laos - (Quote Below )


The very first original Haze was a late 60's three way cross of Colombian Punto Rojo, a green one, and a light magenta one, all different, all from Columbia, several years later I gave Thai and S Indian seeds that were also crossed to Haze, I had seeds of all of them, Original Haze, and Original Haze X Thai from off the stick gold Thai about 76 in Santa Cruz , called Laos at the time.

1luvbigherb

Postulation A:
In the original 3 way Colombian haze, "The Green One" was Lemon VERDE aka
Michoacan/Lemon Thai heirloom.

Postulation B:
The selections that led to Positronics Haze/Tom Hills Haze favored citrus terpienes and a more moderate flowering time. This inadvertently selected twords Lemon Verde phenotypes increasing gene frequency In THH. Thus explaining the citrus phenotypes referenced by TH.

Anyone with experience with both strains care to chime in?
Thanks

 

[flower~power]

Hey guys I got a question it’s on my mind I’m too lazy to research the answer and I’m sure this has been asked many times but I’m curious ..what is the difference between the seeds of haze that Nevil purchased from Sam initially as opposed to the haze seeds that Sam later sold through Flying Dutchman?

 

[bigherb]

Hey guys I got a question it’s on my mind I’m too lazy to research the answer and I’m sure this has been asked many times but I’m curious ..what is the difference between the seeds of haze that Nevil purchased from Sam initially as opposed to the haze seeds that Sam later sold through Flying Dutchman?

It depends who you ask and you’ll get a few different answers



Shanti , Nevil ,British hempire , Jesse , Hempy , Sams

1luvbigherb

 

[flower~power]

It depends who you ask and you’ll get a few different answers



Shanti , Nevil ,British hempire , Jesse , Hempy , Sams

1luvbigherb

What do you think?

 

[bigherb]

I could get deep , go into All the burning Bush post . But I know you’re not into details like that . I think you’ll appreciate these two post from Sams below

Nevil did not have OHaze seeds from before the 70's 80"s as he got his OHaze from me and I only sold him seeds I had made, all 100% OHaze, but not from the 60's or early 70's as I did not start making OHaze seeds until the mid 70's and in large amounts in the 80's in Holland. I think I sold him seeds I made in Holland after 85'.
Sams

To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976. One way or another something is not correct about the 1969 date, and that is what you are going on. As far as I know all Nevilles work with Haze was from Original Haze he got from me, that's what he told me anyway, back in the 80's.

-SamS


2 Interesting Post from Nevil below


The subject of Haze keeps coming up.
I got mine from Sam the Skunkman in the 80's. I bought a couple of thousand of old stock late 60s/ 70. The first batch that I planted produced one plant, a female.




Well Bigherb, I wouldn't swear on a kilo of Haze Hash, that he told me that he grew them himself.

I seem to remember one batch had a number of years mixed together something like '66,'67,'68. A prominent ancestor was a thing called "Burning Bush". If Sam didn't grow burning bush then the person that did will be able to tell us more.

Everything useful was from before 1970. The one plant that came up from '70 batch, Omega, was at best 25% haze and didn't make the grade.

N.

Nevil answered many and most of my questions in open post . I have them all saved along with Sams post which he responds to Nevil . Sams has also shared some info in Pm

My 2 cents is

According to what the community has discussed for years . The Nevs Haze stock
Was highly possibly a Thai x Haze hybrid

Or
most (the very Few) members / Older folks who posted have never experienced a pure Thai / pure original Haze . Nor a late 60’s Colombian / late 60’s Thai

Remember Sams admits he didn’t smoke Haze until 71 and Tom Hill never smoked original Haze in the 70’s
But smoked Thai from the 80’s /82


You got my wheels spinning

1luvbigherb

 

[flower~power]

Thank you…

 

[flower~power]

I’m obviously not a latecomer to marijuana but I am a late comer to Haze so I find all this fascinating..No shit it’s just about my favorite buzz! Really grateful

 

[flower~power]

Cruising right along...

 

[Piff_cat]

heres outback haze female 9 from dj. she has very cool red streaks in stem

an older pic during early flower

 

[flower~power]

I could get deep , go into All the burning Bush post . But I know you’re not into details like that . I think you’ll appreciate these two post from Sams below

Nevil did not have OHaze seeds from before the 70's 80"s as he got his OHaze from me and I only sold him seeds I had made, all 100% OHaze, but not from the 60's or early 70's as I did not start making OHaze seeds until the mid 70's and in large amounts in the 80's in Holland. I think I sold him seeds I made in Holland after 85'.
Sams

To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976. One way or another something is not correct about the 1969 date, and that is what you are going on. As far as I know all Nevilles work with Haze was from Original Haze he got from me, that's what he told me anyway, back in the 80's.

-SamS


2 Interesting Post from Nevil below


The subject of Haze keeps coming up.
I got mine from Sam the Skunkman in the 80's. I bought a couple of thousand of old stock late 60s/ 70. The first batch that I planted produced one plant, a female.




Well Bigherb, I wouldn't swear on a kilo of Haze Hash, that he told me that he grew them himself.

I seem to remember one batch had a number of years mixed together something like '66,'67,'68. A prominent ancestor was a thing called "Burning Bush". If Sam didn't grow burning bush then the person that did will be able to tell us more.

Everything useful was from before 1970. The one plant that came up from '70 batch, Omega, was at best 25% haze and didn't make the grade.

N.

Nevil answered many and most of my questions in open post . I have them all saved along with Sams post which he responds to Nevil . Sams has also shared some info in Pm

My 2 cents is

According to what the community has discussed for years . The Nevs Haze stock
Was highly possibly a Thai x Haze hybrid

Or
most (the very Few) members / Older folks who posted have never experienced a pure Thai / pure original Haze . Nor a late 60’s Colombian / late 60’s Thai

Remember Sams admits he didn’t smoke Haze until 71 and Tom Hill never smoked original Haze in the 70’s
But smoked Thai from the 80’s /82


You got my wheels spinning

1luvbigherb

I smoked and I’m very familiar with the Buddha Thai or the chocolate Thai which was extremely famous it was being imported to the East Coast 79 to 82 it was very different according to my memory it had a very strong high but it ended up narcotic

 

[flower~power]

I wonder where the Thai in Haze came from?

 

[bigherb]

I wonder where the Thai in Haze came from?

Sams Quote below

My post in parentheses


(The emphasis all these years folks have made on thai association to OHaze is funny ) I GAVE BOTH RL AND G THAI SEEDS I GOT FROM GOLDEN OFF THE STICK THAI THAT WAS FANTASTIC IN MAYBE 75 IN SC. THEY MADE A FEW HYBRIDS BUT G LIKE THE PURE OHAZE BETTER AND DID NOT USE THEM AGAIN, RL LIKED THEM BUT DID NOT KEEP CLONES SO THEY WERE GONE PRETTY QUICK, THE SAME WITH S INDIAN, KERALA. I MADE MORE HYBRIDS AS I FOUND THEM INTERESTING.


Another post from Sams below

I just read all the posts from my last post #1945 to #2376.The seeds I sold to Nevil were all made by me mostly from Holland work.

I never sold any I collected from Haze I obtained from the Haze Bros. I sold my work.

J & G are the same guy. Almost all my OHaze seeds were from him.

I never sold any OHaze X S Indian Kerala or Thai as OHaze, I always called them OHaze X whatever.

Burning Bush was 100% pure OHaze I grew it in Calif and named it, RCC also smoked it with me, and loved it. That and another OHaze I called Cream De La Cream and another I called Mr Greasy even though it was a girl, it had very very streched laddery buds that even when dry and placed in a zip bag greased up the bag unbelievably, it was also hard to roll and keep a joint lit.

Nevil did not have OHaze seeds from before the 70's 80"s as he got his OHaze from me and I only sold him seeds I had made, all 100% OHaze, but not from the 60's or early 70's as I did not start making OHaze seeds until the mid 70's and in large amounts in the 80's in Holland. I think I sold him seeds I made in Holland after 85'.



Like I said it gets deep

1luvbigherb

 

[flower~power]

Sams Quote below

My post in parentheses


(The emphasis all these years folks have made on thai association to OHaze is funny ) I GAVE BOTH RL AND G THAI SEEDS I GOT FROM GOLDEN OFF THE STICK THAI THAT WAS FANTASTIC IN MAYBE 75 IN SC. THEY MADE A FEW HYBRIDS BUT G LIKE THE PURE OHAZE BETTER AND DID NOT USE THEM AGAIN, RL LIKED THEM BUT DID NOT KEEP CLONES SO THEY WERE GONE PRETTY QUICK, THE SAME WITH S INDIAN, KERALA. I MADE MORE HYBRIDS AS I FOUND THEM INTERESTING.


Another post from Sams below

I just read all the posts from my last post #1945 to #2376.The seeds I sold to Nevil were all made by me mostly from Holland work.

I never sold any I collected from Haze I obtained from the Haze Bros. I sold my work.

J & G are the same guy. Almost all my OHaze seeds were from him.

I never sold any OHaze X S Indian Kerala or Thai as OHaze, I always called them OHaze X whatever.

Burning Bush was 100% pure OHaze I grew it in Calif and named it, RCC also smoked it with me, and loved it. That and another OHaze I called Cream De La Cream and another I called Mr Greasy even though it was a girl, it had very very streched laddery buds that even when dry and placed in a zip bag greased up the bag unbelievably, it was also hard to roll and keep a joint lit.

Nevil did not have OHaze seeds from before the 70's 80"s as he got his OHaze from me and I only sold him seeds I had made, all 100% OHaze, but not from the 60's or early 70's as I did not start making OHaze seeds until the mid 70's and in large amounts in the 80's in Holland. I think I sold him seeds I made in Holland after 85'.



Like I said it gets deep

1luvbigherb

Thanks! Thanks

 

[Piff_cat]

Funkyhorse put this up at the other place very good read on colombian cannabis particularly the timeline.

Earliest strains in santa marta derived from abandoned medical experiments in 1930s with germplasm originally coming from borneo and southeast asia.

30 years in colombia(at most) when haze was bred wouldn't be close to enough time to wipe away se Asian traits/ancestry.

Haze bred in late 60s with large colombian gold grows starting in 72.
@funkyhorse did a nice write up maybe he could go thru it if he sees this

 

[flower~power]

Funkyhorse put this up at the other place very good read on colombian cannabis particularly the timeline.

Earliest strains in santa marta derived from abandoned medical experiments in 1930s with germplasm originally coming from borneo and southeast asia.

30 years in colombia(at most) when haze was bred wouldn't be close to enough time to wipe away se Asian traits/ancestry.

Haze bred in late 60s with large colombian gold grows starting in 72.
@funkyhorse did a nice write up maybe he could go thru it if he sees this

Thanks

 

[CannaT]

Funkyhorse put this up at the other place very good read on colombian cannabis particularly the timeline.

Earliest strains in santa marta derived from abandoned medical experiments in 1930s with germplasm originally coming from borneo and southeast asia.

30 years in colombia(at most) when haze was bred wouldn't be close to enough time to wipe away se Asian traits/ancestry.

Haze bred in late 60s with large colombian gold grows starting in 72.
@funkyhorse did a nice write up maybe he could go thru it if he sees this

And weed in SE Asia come from India so we all smoking Indicas...even Haze that way is Indica...
Thailand was US army safe place during the war in Vietnam...and they grow some pot for money. War needs money it is main food for it.
What is grown in thailand at that time nobody knows.
But im shure much more that weed grown down there was breed in US than it was thai landrace.
But its just my opinion.

 

[flower~power]

And weed in SE Asia come from India so we all smoking Indicas...even Haze that way is Indica...
Thailand was US army safe place during the war in Vietnam...and they grow some pot for money. War needs money it is main food for it.
What is grown in thailand at that time nobody knows.
But im shure much more that weed grown down there was breed in US than it was thai landrace.
But its just my opinion.

Just did a big hot dab of Haze … it’s such a rush man