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my friend lost 20k to a state trooper last night.

VT_Fire

Member
all right so the kid who got the 20k taken is my best friends since we were kids...so i can fill in some of the blanks to the story here

He had been pulling into a parking lot of a wal-mart around 11pm, the wal-mart was closed and he was pulling in so he could call somebody and get directions. As he was pulling in a state trooper came outta nowhere and pulled him over, immediately running up to the car and demanding he be told what my boy was doing there, etc. So my boy calmly explained that he was a bit lost and was just pulling in to call his friend for directions, and the trooper said he wasnt buying his story, and wanted to search the car. Of course my friend told him "sorry officer I don't submit myself to illegal searches" The cop says he was suspicious because of a few hundred dollars my boy had sitting on the passenger seat (only like $400...)

the cop then calls for backup, and tells my buddy that they're allowed to circle his car with a K9, and if the dog has any hits then they can search the vehicle. So the K9 does a loop around the car...finds nothing but then they have the dog jump up into the open window where my boy had been talking to the cop (isnt this an illegal procedure already??) and the dog starts barking and scratching at a bag on the seat. So my boy tells the trooper that they can take that bag out and search it...only like $200 in the bag, no drugs. So the cop then brings the dog through the inside of the car (cop said they were allowed to do so once the dog hit on anything inside the car) and hits on the passenger seat pocket in the back, and they find a scale. After the scale was found the dog didnt have any more hits inside the car and was brought back to the K9 cruiser.

NOW the search should have been over considering no drugs were found and the dog wasn't hitting on anything else in the car. But it seems the pigs werent satisfied and angry that they couldnt find any kilos or whatever so they decide to keep searching anyway. My boy said once the pigs realized that the dog wasnt hitting on anything that the 2 cops walking away from my boy and were whispering to each other and he said it looked like they were conspiring to do something. So then one cop walks towards my boy and starts talking to him in such a way that made my boy turn his back to his vehicle for a minute. The cops had left his back passenger door open when they took the dog out and when my boy was distracted talking to one cop, the other cop walked up to his car and reached under the seat...taking the 20k or whatever out. Now keep in mind that the loot was wrapped up inside two grocery bags, no way to see through them, and the pig claimed he could see the money through the bags. BULLSHIT.

So my boy demands that they count all the money in the bag before they seize it so that they dont try and pocket some of it themselves. They count the money from the bag, and the pigs tell my boy that they're seizing his cash and his car. So at this point my boy tells them that theres another couple grand in the center console that he wants to count with them before they take his car, that way they can't just act like there wasnt any more cash in the whip. So when he asks them to grab the other money and count it they tell him "no, neither you or us can enter the vehicle until we have a warrant" which is bullshit because they already searched the vehicle and grabbed the other loot with no warrant.

Either way my boy is in a rough spot, hes talking to a few lawyers and trying to figure his shit out. Hes a strong person so i know he'll pull through but god damn it pisses me off how we break the law...and we get fucked and have to pay thousands in lawyer fees just to protect our rights. But cops violate our rights and break the law everyday and get away with it! :wallbash:
 

Bush Dr

Painting the picture of Dorian Gray
Veteran
All travellers going (in or) out of the US fill out a Delaration which states; tell us if you have 10k if you don't and we find it, we keep it.

As I had it explained to me by US Customs, above $10k in cash has to be declared as part of anti money laundering legislation, some of which is part of the RICO laws .....

Your buddy better get some legal advice quick
 

JoJoDancer

Member
Start a small business that deals with cash people it's not that freakin hard. Go to the business bureau and start a ficticious name. Go to a bank and open a business account, "So and so grass cutting" or "Chop You Up Barber Shop." . Then you can file a 1099 on your dope monies. Wise the phuck up..

Peace
 
Any lawyer worth a damn will get this money back fast. An illegal search/ That alone is enough. AND, it is NOT up to US to prove our innocence, it is the duty of the powers that be to prove you were in fact in violation of a law. there is NO LAW that states how much cash you can carry. Cops are just dirty thieves that try to steal your cash...then hope you go away and do not fight it. if you do fight it, you will get it back.

you do NOT have to prove where you got it; THEY must prove that it was from an illegal source, and since they cannot do that, they will lose after you get a lawyer and pay.

Sadly, MOST of these cases result when drivers talk to a filthy cop...and answer questions..and get led into admitting that you have cash. totally illegal searches are not as common as once thought. Cop want to win in court, and will try to get consent. Maybe your friend didn't tell you all the details? Maybe he DID answer questions..maybe he DID give consent...maybe the search was legal..who knows?

In any event, had that been ME, the cop would be facing a federal USC 18; 1943 civil rights lawsuit as well as any other hassles I could give him. never give up, and never give in. Screw thse filthy, nasty, thieveing cops..may they all get cancer of the brain and suffer the fate of the damned.
 

Molson

Member
A federal appeals court ruled yesterday that if a motorist is carrying large sums of money, it is automatically subject to confiscation. In the case entitled, "United States of America v. $124,700 in U.S. Currency," the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit took that amount of cash away from Emiliano Gomez Gonzolez, a man with a "lack of significant criminal history" neither accused nor convicted of any crime.
LOL?

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/12/1296.asp

Good luck OP, hope you get it back. 20k ain't pocket change for a lot of people.
 
C

Classyathome

Any lawyer worth a damn will get this money back fast. An illegal search/ That alone is enough. AND, it is NOT up to US to prove our innocence, it is the duty of the powers that be to prove you were in fact in violation of a law. there is NO LAW that states how much cash you can carry. Cops are just dirty thieves that try to steal your cash...then hope you go away and do not fight it. if you do fight it, you will get it back.

you do NOT have to prove where you got it; THEY must prove that it was from an illegal source, and since they cannot do that, they will lose after you get a lawyer and pay.

Sadly, MOST of these cases result when drivers talk to a filthy cop...and answer questions..and get led into admitting that you have cash. totally illegal searches are not as common as once thought. Cop want to win in court, and will try to get consent. Maybe your friend didn't tell you all the details? Maybe he DID answer questions..maybe he DID give consent...maybe the search was legal..who knows?

In any event, had that been ME, the cop would be facing a federal USC 18; 1943 civil rights lawsuit as well as any other hassles I could give him. never give up, and never give in. Screw thse filthy, nasty, thieveing cops..may they all get cancer of the brain and suffer the fate of the damned.

With all due respect, you are waaaay wrong.

Since the "patriot act" was rammed thru - leo HAS the right to confiscate cash, without charging anyone for anything.

There are horror stories of travellers being targetted, pulled over for bogus traffic violations, and having all their money taken, under "threat" of arrest. "Either the money, or you" kinda deal.

Usually the targets are out of state tourists, who tend to carry cash for holidays, or minorities, and usually not driving high end vehicles, meaning they won't have the wherewithall or education to fight back. The confiscations are "legal", there is no recourse, and the leo get to keep a big portion of the $$$ as a reward for "good" policing.

Just because it's shitty - doesn't mean it ain't real. And this crap is too real.
 

leaddraft

Active member
this is nothing new folks, STAY SAFE!

TENAHA, Texas (CNN) -- Roderick Daniels was traveling through East Texas in October 2007 when, he says, he was the victim of a highway robbery.

The Tennessee man says he was ordered to pull his car over and surrender his jewelry and $8,500 in cash that he had with him to buy a new car.
But Daniels couldn't go to the police to report the incident.
The men who stopped him were the police.
Daniels was stopped on U.S. Highway 59 outside Tenaha, near the Louisiana state line. Police said he was driving 37 mph in a 35 mph zone. They hauled him off to jail and threatened him with money-laundering charges -- but offered to release him if he signed papers forfeiting his property.
"I actually thought this was a joke," Daniels told CNN.
But he signed.
"To be honest, I was five, six hundred miles from home," he said. "I was petrified."
Now Daniels and other motorists who have been stopped by Tenaha police are part of a lawsuit seeking to end what plaintiff's lawyer David Guillory calls a systematic fleecing of drivers passing through the town of about 1,000.

"I believe it is a shakedown. I believe it's a piracy operation," Guillory said.
George Bowers, Tenaha's longtime mayor, says his police follow the law. And through her lawyers, Shelby County District Attorney Lynda Russell denied any impropriety.
Texas law allows police to confiscate drug money and other personal property they believe are used in the commission of a crime. If no charges are filed or the person is acquitted, the property has to be returned. But Guillory's lawsuit states that Tenaha and surrounding Shelby County don't bother to return much of what they confiscate.
Jennifer Boatright and Ron Henderson said they agreed to forfeit their property after Russell threatened to have their children taken away.
Like Daniels, the couple says they were carrying a large amount of cash --- about $6,000 -- to buy a car. When they were stopped in Tenaha in 2007, Boatright said, Russell came to the Tenaha police station to berate her and threaten to separate the family.
"I said, 'If it's the money you want, you can take it, if that's what it takes to keep my children with me and not separate them from us. Take the money,' " she said.

The document Henderson signed, which bears Russell's signature, states that in exchange for forfeiting the cash, "no criminal charges shall be filed ... and our children shall not be turned over" to the state's child protective services agency.
Maryland resident Amanee Busbee said she also was threatened with losing custody of her child after being stopped in Tenaha with her fiancé and his business partner. They were headed to Houston with $50,000 to complete the purchase of a restaurant, she said.
"The police officer would say things to me like, 'Your son is going to child protective services because you are not saying what we need to hear,' " Busbee said.
Guillory, who practices in nearby Nacogdoches, Texas, estimates authorities in Tenaha seized $3 million between 2006 and 2008, and in about 150 cases -- virtually all of which involved African-American or Latino motorists -- the seizures were improper.
"They are disproportionately going after racial minorities," he said. "My take on the matter is that the police in Tenaha, Texas, were picking on and preying on people that were least likely to fight back."
Daniels told CNN that one of the officers who stopped him tried on some of his jewelry in front of him.
"They asked me, 'What you are doing with this ring on?' I said I had bought that ring. I paid good money for that ring," Daniels said. "He took the ring off my finger and put it on his finger and told me how did it look. He put on my jewelry."
Texas law states that the proceeds of any seizures can be used only for "official purposes" of district attorney offices and "for law-enforcement purposes" by police departments. According to public records obtained by CNN using open-records laws, an account funded by property forfeitures in Russell's office included $524 for a popcorn machine, $195 for candy for a poultry festival, and $400 for catering.
In addition, Russell donated money to the local chamber of commerce and a youth baseball league. A local Baptist church received two checks totaling $6,000.
And one check for $10,000 went to Barry Washington, a Tenaha police officer whose name has come up in several complaints by stopped motorists. The money was paid for "investigative costs," the records state.
Washington would not comment for this report but has denied all allegations in his answer to Guillory's lawsuit.
"This is under litigation. This is a lawsuit," he told CNN.
Russell refused requests for interviews at her office and at a fundraiser for a volunteer fire department in a nearby town, where she also sang. But in a written statement, her lawyers said she "has denied and continues to deny all substantive allegations set forth."
Russell "has used and continues to use prosecutorial discretion ... and is in compliance with Texas law, the Texas constitution, and the United States Constitution," the statement said.
Bowers, who has been Tenaha's mayor for 54 years, is also named in the lawsuit. But he said his employees "will follow the law."
"We try to hire the very best, best-trained, and we keep them up to date on the training," he said.
The attention paid to Tenaha has led to an effort by Texas lawmakers to tighten the state's forfeiture laws. A bill sponsored by state Sen. John Whitmire, D-Houston, would bar authorities from using the kind of waivers Daniels, Henderson and Busbee were told to sign.
"To have law enforcement and the district attorney essentially be crooks, in my judgment, should infuriate and does infuriate everyone," Whitmire said. His bill has passed the Senate, where he is the longest-serving member, and is currently before the House of Representatives.

Busbee, Boatright and Henderson were able to reclaim their property after hiring lawyers. But Daniels is still out his $8,500.
"To this day, I don't understand why they took my belongings off me," he said.

NOTE: this happens along the I-95/I-40 corridors here in NC Also..
:fsu:
 

Mr. Freeman

just a fellow cannabis smoker, vaper, cooker and r
ICMag Donor
This just pisses me off.

Fucking pigs play dirty, you know how it goes. What the hell is happening in the u.s. where you can't even carry around your OWN money?

Makes sense though, the gov is owned by banks and banks want YOU to put your money in their banks. They just made it illegal, so you would HAVE TO do EVERYTHING through the bank or ELSE. I say FUCK THAT.

MOTHER FUCKERS!

The question is:
What can we do?

Peace
 

VT_Fire

Member
yup. fuck the police. boy's been talking to lawyers and they all want to take his case, only thing is no charges have been filed on him so they can't take the case until the cops file charges on him. pretty fucked that they can seize your car and money without even charging you for anything
 
yes, the pig filth can take your cash..but you can get it back. it takes a lot, but gues what? MOST all the people that got robbed by the filth were answering questions and giving consent to search. Some redneck cop asks how much money you are carrying...and if you answer or show it the cops rob you. BUT, if you stand mute, answering nothing, then all the cop can do is ILLEGALLY detain and search you, resulting eventually in a dismissal...even tho you may have to appeal up the line.

MOST drivers answer cop questions. I never do. I never answer any whatsoever. That starts the game for the cop. Do not give the cops anything. Do not answer anything about where you are going or what you have in your pockets. MAKE the cop violate your rights as badly as possible so an attorney can get it thrown out.

Most people think that answering cops questions is a normal part of being polite...but it is not. It is a part of the game, and we don't want to play.No cop wants to get sued, and no cop wants to be ambarrassed in court, so most will just play the game. Do NOT play along.

It will come down to a supreme court decision, no doubt, to get the law finalized on this highway robbery, but until then never answer questions...never reveal how much money you are carrying, and record in any way possible all the details of the stop. it really all you can do.
 

Lazyman

Overkill is under-rated.
Veteran
Fuck that shit man, having a badge doesn't make em right. I think I'm gonna buy another motorycle, fuckin pigs want to play games, they can EARN the right to pull me over. Not that they have ever caught me on a bike, the cops around here have anti-pursuit statues anyway for chases involving bikes. Hehe.
 

VT_Fire

Member
homeboy got his money and whip back...cops called him today and told him to come pick up his shit. check back when i find out more
 
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