my friend lost 20k to a state trooper last night.

[mexilandrace]

what made the search illegal?

you telling me he got out of his car and then they searched the car without consent?

because line of sight is enough for them to have probable cause.

how was the search illegal? that's probably the most important thing.

and seriously, he should call a lawyer not look on internet forums for answers.

 

[Verite]

Exactly.. no real such thing as an illegal search once they pulled you over. They can and do use any excuse they want to establish probable cause to search the vehicle from they saw something suspicious to making up stuff about the way you acted to the officer.

Next there are plenty of cases [ even ones that were ruled by the US Supreme Court ] that show carrying large amounts of cash without a means of showing it came from a legit source makes it perfectly legal for them to confiscate it. It sucks but thems the facts.

 

[Sportster]

Why raise suspicion with a bodyguard of sorts?

Why not?? if everything is on the UP-n-UP what the hell does anyone care about the suspicion?? wouldn't matter what anyone "thought"...

I see a man walk from a bank and hop onto the back of a bike (behind another male), you know something is wrong.

Yeah there is something wrong, those men are faggots....LOLROF!!!

 

[JustBlazed]

My suggestion to explain the source of your money. Craigslist. I got pulled over with 10K in stolen digital Cameras. Cop says, "Where did you get these". I say "craigslist" then explain to him what it is and why I don't have a receipt. Believe it or not craigslist and ebay are awesome for monetary reasons especially for products that don't need to be registered with the government.(Don't say car's, bc these need to have registration. I would suggest something like used electronics) You don't need receipts and proof is very easy to create.

 

[Mr. Justin]

Because peoples thoughts cause them to do just that, think. They ask themselves a series of questions, which may just in fact lead to you being held up.

I'm just saying there are definitely easier and safer methods to transport cash from a bank to another location. You only feel that you stand out and need protection, because YOU know that YOU have a large quantity of money on YOURSELF. If you play it cool, you won't need to ask for a bodyguard and take the huge risks associated with it.

p.s. What growing style do you use Sportster? I clearly remember you from Overgrow, but I believe I am thinking of a setup by NewGanjaBoy when I try imagining yours. So either it's yours or his I presume. This might just drive me bonkers. Anyways, always a pleasure to see another Overgrower on IC.

My suggestion to explain the source of your money. Craigslist. I got pulled over with 10K in stolen digital Cameras. Cop says, "Where did you get these". I say "craigslist" then explain to him what it is and why I don't have a receipt. Believe it or not craigslist and ebay are awesome for monetary reasons especially for products that don't need to be registered with the government.(Don't say car's, bc these need to have registration. I would suggest something like used electronics) You don't need receipts and proof is very easy to create.

This could be good also, but it definitely has its flaws. The major one being that you would never be able to prove any of that, if there were any type of actual investigation.

I am curious about the thread starters friend though, was he by chance driving to or from an area that might also be used by Casino traffic? In East Texas, recently it has been discovered that local police were pulling over cars suspected of being driven by a black person/s. They would impound the car, take whatever cash the person had, and tell the people to leave basically. Telling them something along the lines of "we know you're trafficking drugs and/or illegal money, so we will take it and you can be on your merry way. Unless you would like an extended visit in our little county". Literally a quote. Kidding kidding, not a quote, but those were the basics of the scheme, need to look up details about it again...

 

[w.wonka]

hope he comes up with a good enough reason for having 20g's on him and gets his flow back... would for sure see a lawyer.. keep us posted on what happens

 

[GreenintheThumb]

People this is BS. You don't have to prove anything as you are not on trial!! Simply get a lawyer to get it for you.

No, you do have to prove something...that you have a legitimate reason for having 20k

You don't need or are not required to tell anybody anything about your money your underwear your favorite color etc. There is no law against having cash!!

Why don't you stick to subjects you know badmf? You ARE required to tell them where the money came from or is going. It's called a civil forfeiture and their are laws against moving cash around if it's over 10k... But again, it's a civil law not a criminal one. No one will get charged but they'll keep your money.

 

[Fuzz420]

He just bought them a new car

 

[robotwithdreams]

there are certain countys, in certain states, with leo dedicated just for these forfeiture cases. Certain areas that are supposed to be transit areas for major illegal cargo, including 'ill gotten" cash. These units specialize in profiling and picking cars off the highways, using "supposed" minor traffic violations,such as driver swerved on the road. These units pulll in hundreds of thousands of dollars for their respective counties,and somtimes their own salaries and equipment are subsidized by these kinds of cases. Actaully a real common tactic in many states.

 

[GMT]

can't he just say he was on his way to the nearest police station to hand it in as he just found it in a phone box. If no one else claims it in 30 days, isn't it then his free of tax etc clean?

 

[Ribsauce]

there are certain countys, in certain states, with leo dedicated just for these forfeiture cases. Certain areas that are supposed to be transit areas for major illegal cargo, including 'ill gotten" cash. These units specialize in profiling and picking cars off the highways, using "supposed" minor traffic violations,such as driver swerved on the road. These units pulll in hundreds of thousands of dollars for their respective counties,and somtimes their own salaries and equipment are subsidized by these kinds of cases. Actaully a real common tactic in many states.

exactly depending on where youre at having over 10K without documentation will get it took... and they do these "random traffic stops" all the time... prove where its from and youll get it back... but yea make sure your buddy gets a lawyer

 

[stink.whistler]

Ha - nope, GMT - that would most definitely not work. Unless he could prove he found it in a phone box (which pretty much don't exist anymore in the US, by the way).

 

[Eminem]

It happens. You'll need to find a way to proove the income or have someone else proove it for you.

I know someone who had 80K taken and he got a friend who made 200k+ annually (legit sales job) go and claim the money was his. They issued him a check back for the money.


When traveling with large amounts of cash, I suggest sealing it and hiding it in door panels etc.

 

[whiterabbit9]

^^
man I didn't know eminem posted on this site

he gave some really good advice too

what was your friend doing with 20 k ??

 

[Kiefer Suthrlnd]

sounds like bs to me. Pacman jones even had $60 g's or something in that strip club, they shouldve just arrested him on his way in

can anyone post a State statute where it is illegal to carry over $10k? is it a DEA regulation? even a federal statute if you can find one

i havent had much luck looking...my buddys dad who is a cop won over $16,000 at the casino, he cashed it in and drove home. Im gonna ask him next time i see him if it was illegal to do so

 

[Kiefer Suthrlnd]

just found this...ouch

If You Carry Cash, Police Can "Legally" Confiscate It

Cash is private. When you spend cash, there's no paper trail. Cash transactions are difficult, if not impossible to trace.

Because it's difficult to track cash transactions, the US government over the last 35 years has quietly enacted civil forfeiture laws that make it possible for police to confiscate cash or other property with near-zero evidence of any wrongdong. The states have followed suit with their own civil forfeiture laws, mostly modeled on US statutes. And even if a state lacks its own confiscation law, state agencies can use federal civil forfeiture laws to confiscate cash or other property and receive a kickback of up to 80% from the federal government.

When the government seizes your property under a civil forfeiture law, it doesn't need to prove you did anything wrong. All it needs to do is to demonstrate, by a preponderance of the evidence, is that your property is subject to forfeiture.

Cash is particularly vulnerable to this argument, because US courts have repeatedly ruled that possession of a large sum of cash is "strong evidence" of a connection to trafficking in illegal drugs. In other words, merely possessing a large sum of cash provides the government with sufficient evidence to seize it, unless you can provide clear and credible evidence that it's NOT connected to illegal drugs.

And even then, you might still lose it, as illustrated by the confiscation of US$124,700 from three motorists in Nebraska, recently upheld by the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals. During a traffic stop, Nebraska state troopers asked permission from Emiliano Gomez Gonzolez, the driver of a rented vehicle, to search the car. Gonzolez gave them permission, and during the search, the troopers found bundles of cash totaling $124,700. Later, a drug-sniffing dog, "alerted" to the presence of narcotics residue on the money.

Based on this "evidence" of narcotics related activity, police seized the currency, but released the driver and his two passengers without filing criminal charges. (This is despite the fact that numerous scientific studies have demonstrated that more than 90% of US currency is contaminated with narcotics residues—see http://www.cocaine.org/cokemoney/index.html for an example.)

Gonzolez contested the forfeiture, and at trial, testified that after pooling his own legitimately earned cash with that of two partners in the produce business, he flew to Chicago to purchase a refrigerated truck. Both partners' testimony backed Gonzolez' account of the legitimate source and intended use of the defendant currency, which the government never contested.

The trial court believed Gonzolez' story and ordered the cash returned to him. But on appeal, the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned the trial court's decision and awarded the money to the government. The government never convicted or even accused any of the owners of the seized currency of any drug-related crime. Police never found any drugs, drug paraphernalia, or drug records connected to the seized currency.

While not all federal courts have ruled the same way in similar circumstances, the handwriting is most definitely on the wall: if you possess a large quantity of cash—certainly any amount exceeding US$10,000—you are inviting police to confiscate it as the probable proceeds of a narcotics transaction. And the government doesn't need to arrest you or present any evidence of narcotics involvement in order to prevail in court.

What this means is that you should never carry or store large quantities of cash in the US. Police can "legally" seize it and you have very little recourse. It might (or might not) help if you withdraw newly manufactured bills (which would presumably not contain drug residues) from your own bank account and keep the withdrawal slips with the cash to prove its legal origin.

But the trend is clear. The US government and police agencies throughout the US have declared an undeclared war on cash. And any cash you carry or store, legally or otherwise, is in their sights.

http://www.fear.org/

 

[Kiefer Suthrlnd]

here's another story where it happened to a car dealer who was going to look at a car and buy a gravestone for his dying aunt.

scroll about halfway down the article

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91555835

 

[JJScorpio]

I would assume there were drugs inv or the guy had previous drug convictions.

Here is a link regarding forfeitures. You may also want to read the Patriot Act....


https://www.oig.lsc.gov/legis/pl106185.pdf

 

[alpinestar]

this is extortion
no matter what theyre going to take all of or part of his money, at the very least in court fees
thats totally immoral - its stealing

and im fully aware of how the system has taken fools in the past, thus enabling an easy process of fucking over others in the future, but it can stop if someone decides to fight against the current


btw I think court fees in general are illegal because you have to pay for this "service," but you really dont have any choice in it
there are laws protecting people from being charged for services they dont ask for

and because you have no choice (in many cases) of whether or not you go to court, you are being forced into paying for a service

the same stands true with charging people after they go to jail.

 

[robotwithdreams]

kiefer, good post.