my friend lost 20k to a state trooper last night.

[Aeroguerilla]

My buddy got pulled over, he had nothing on him but cash. they illegaly searched the vehicle found the 20k and wrote him up a slip saying how much they had taken from him. if he was not arrested for anything and was let go at that scene then can he get the money back in court with a good lawyer? no priors or anything.

 

[Abja Roots]

He'll have to explain how he got the money is my understanding.

If he doesn't have a business or some other means of explaining it. I think he won't get it back.

 

[smokesalot420]

He has to explain to get it back even though it was an illegal search? I think he should get a lawyer.....

 

[Moldy Dreads]

My mom gave it to me?

 

[stink.whistler]

Property does not have the same presumption of innocence that a person has. He must prove that money came to him legally.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

what if you said you found it? hahahaha...

or if a rich buddy lent it to you for you to go to vegas and try your luck...

 

[Tony Aroma]

Property does not have the same presumption of innocence that a person has. He must prove that money came to him legally.

Yes, property is presumed guilty until proven innocent. Doesn't matter if the person is charged or even arrested. Carrying cash is de facto illegal in this country. Chances are they won't give it back unless they are taken to court. Which costs money. And requires proof the money is legitimate. Hope your friend's got some more cash lying around, otherwise he's learned a very expensive lesson -- never carry cash.

 

[Maj.PotHead]

Yes, property is presumed guilty until proven innocent. Doesn't matter if the person is charged or even arrested. Carrying cash is de facto illegal in this country. Chances are they won't give it back unless they are taken to court. Which costs money. And requires proof the money is legitimate. Hope your friend's got some more cash lying around, otherwise he's learned a very expensive lesson -- never carry cash.

agree except
{Carrying cash is de facto illegal in this country.}
upto 10k isnt in the state i live in a one time gift of 10k can be given without payn taxes on it

i've walked out of a bank in the 80's with 96 - 100$ bills and 200$ in twentys was from a insurance settelment. cash in hand then pocket
$ 9,800.00 a biker bro and duel 45's under his arms where my security leaving the bank. bank tried and tried to get me to open a account my attorny says Mr So n So takes his payments in cash lmao

heck where i live it's not uncommon for ppl to have loads of money 20k would be chump change to them.

 

[nepalnt21]

where the fuck do we live? that is some seriously shitty legislation. and one plain old case of theft.

 

[JJScorpio]

All he has to do is prove where the cash came from, and have a legit story.

If it were me, I would be looking in the local papers at used trucks and have a couple circled. I'd then tell them I'd been saving my cash for a few years and was going to go and buy one.

Believe it or not, there's a lot of people that don't trust banks right now. But you have to be able to show you have the money from legal means.... But you have to remember the avg person doesn't carry that kind of money often......

 

[Lord Doobie]

that's just it...he can't prove squat
I also don't think LEO and Judges are as dumb as some would have us believe

 

[Phillthy]

this happened to me once when i was younger. jj raises a good point. cash is king right now and banks suck. you saved at home until you could afford a truck or boat or something and were in transit. show pay stubs to the judge showing you have a legit job and prove you have been employed for a while and you should do ok. i got 6 g's back.

 

[CaptainTrips]

He was clean, had no priors and they conducted an illegal search, then kept the money?


Was this in Mexico or what?

Sounds like the american police state to me. If it was really an illegal search, a good lawyer may be able to get it back even if you can't prove where it came from, but who knows...

 

[badmf]

People this is BS. You don't have to prove anything as you are not on trial!! Simply get a lawyer to get it for you.
You don't need or are not required to tell anybody anything about your money your underwear your favorite color etc. There is no law against having cash!!
They are trying to intimidate him into letting it transfer to the agency. Which if un-claimed it will. Many travelers going out of the US fill out a Delaration which states; tell us if you have 10k if you don't and we find it, we keep it. Simple indirect intimidation as foreign travellers often encounter "crooked" officiers who take their $$.

 

[JJScorpio]

People this is BS. You don't have to prove anything as you are not on trial!! Simply get a lawyer to get it for you.
You don't need or are not required to tell anybody anything about your money your underwear your favorite color etc. There is no law against having cash!!
They are trying to intimidate him into letting it transfer to the agency. Which if un-claimed it will. Many travelers going out of the US fill out a Delaration which states; tell us if you have 10k if you don't and we find it, we keep it. Simple indirect intimidation as foreign travellers often encounter "crooked" officiers who take their $$.

I guess you're not familiar with the Patriot Act.....

 

[Pinball Wizard]

...and hope that money has no residue on it?

 

[Denial N Error]

Goes to show you how sick and fucked up this country is. You have to EXPLAIN what source that income came from or it can be taken from you.

Like is it just me or is this absolutely fucked up? We have to explain where our money comes from and goes. Yet our own GOV doesnt have to explain shit, they lose billions of dollars and tax payers dont ask a single fucking question.

IM SICK OF IT. IM FUCKIN TIRED OF IT!

end of rage.

 

[Sportster]

....$ 9,800.00 a biker bro and duel 45's under his arms where my security leaving the bank.

Now this here is a "thinking" man......good protection to be had!!!

 

[Mr. Justin]

Now this here is a "thinking" man......good protection to be had!!!

I would disagree. Having the money transferred to the owners hands inconspicuously and walk out of the bank as if nothing happened, is the best way. Why raise suspicion with a bodyguard of sorts? I see a man walk from a bank and hop onto the back of a bike (behind another male), you know something is wrong. However, if you walk out into the day as if nothing happened, you're much less suspicious.

Not to mention if you happen to get pulled over with armed biker.

Acting on the instinct to protect ones self only makes it obvious they require protection for something on their person, if they are not a public figure.

I have walked out of a bank with my mother and over $80,000 in her purse. We didn't require armed guards or biker, just cool rational thought.

Remember, arming ones self to protect ones things, only puts one in the mind frame of "someone is out to get me". Which obviously can lead to numerous complications even involving death.


Caution is good, but paranoia only hurts in this situation.

Now, if someone knew you were walking out of the bank with mass funds in tow, I would definitely arm myself. It's my money, if someone who knows me wants it, they can get shot with my weapon and I will be held responsible for my actions. Really, if you feel that threatened carrying cash, arm yourself. Learn how to operate a firearm with efficiency. I know if I fire my weapon, it's not going to cause innocents to be harmed. However, wielding two 45ACP weapons, known for jerking up and right, especially with rapid fire, also known for being able to kill over 90% of it's victims in one shot, I have absolutely no idea or restraint over where the weapons are aimed. Children, grandmothers, a homeless man on the other side of the street, anyone. They are possible victims to you wanting to protect $10,000.
And are innocent lives on your conscious worth a measly $10k?

Even then, what if Mr. Bad Ass Biker isn't such a bad ass? Two weapons is a lot of posturing. I myself am 100% confident I could take down a man wielding two guns with my own .45, two guns does not equal superiority. I would actually feel rather comforted knowing my enemy couldn't aim worth a shit, while my own aim is steady and deadly accurate.

Also, sure there ARE people who ARE deadly accurate with two pistols at once. I know one myself and my fathers father was one as well. You have to realize though, that these people are a RARITY, and are gifted in shooting to begin with. The chances of some random biker being gifted like this are VERY slim. As I have been shooting my entire life basically, and have met one man who can do it. He's a talented gunsmith and generally just a gun lover. He has owned and handled weapons I can only dream of, and he is a bad ass, even in his sixties he can out shoot a good number of random people...



Oh yeah and that also reminds me, what about onlookers? Citizens themselves who are carrying a weapon? IF they see you and Biker dodging bullets or fighting with someone over cash, who is to say he won't direct his weapon on you?

What do you do when Biker holds you up for your cash?

 

[whodi]

just bad luck... how'd he get pulled over?