Most potent strains

[Pepe le skunk]

We were told that hash plant was smuggled back to the states from afghan in the 70's.

Would be interesting if everyone could list some of the strains believed to be from the 60's, 70's and 80's seeds brought back from afghanistan. Albert walker I believe might be one of them as well as deep chunk. Also believe the afghan skunk could be one of those strains.

 

[harry74]

Let´s say that trough selective breeding we are able to raise the levels of the less known cannabinoids the same way has been done with THC.
Let´s say we are able to pull a plant with around 5% of each cannabinoid.
How will it change the effect???

Well, I guess we don´t know as if I´m not wrong no one had tryed to follow that route.

It is a hypotesis.....

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

over 10% CBD, although others are 15%+
CBG over 10% bdw
THCV over 10% bdw
CBN is not directly produced by the plant it is a degradation product of THC and the other Cannabinoids.
CBC over 10% bdw
CBG over 10 % bdw
CBDV over 10% bdw
CBCV over 10% bdw
THC about 30% bdw
This is not in one plant, each Cannabinoid is in a different plant in this case.
If you think high Cannabinoids besides THCV and CBD change or modify the THC high, then think again they do not. Even CBD and THCV do not improve the THC, they delay onset, reduce peak experiences, and lengthen the effects, that are now screwed up for getting high in my opinion. But to each their own....

Just curious...
Any idea wich are the maximun levels of CBG,CBD,CBN,THCV found in a lab ( I mean tested from a cannabis simple ).?

 

[harry74]

Thank you for your post.It would be great to see that in paper,but I´m trying just to push your thinking not puting in doubt your Word.

May be you think like a scientist, may be I think like a chef, I´m a trained chef.I love pastry.You have 5 main ingredients flower, sugar,butter,eggs,baking powder.
Using diferent amounths of this ingredients we can cook diferent pastry (cakes, cookies,muffins....)
So may be there is a correlation between the amounth off diferent cannabinoids with a certain effect.
Some could be found in small quantities the same you usually use a small amounth of baking powder in pastry récipes.

Some way, you recognize in your post that this way haven´t been researched or may may be has been who knows...
I hope that you will be able to find some idea of your interest in the "pastry chef reasoning" .

Greetings

 

[harry74]

I´m having a tought about cbd enriched strains cannatonic.
I haven´t tryed any of it but it looks that somehow people is finding the effect different, and I guess some of them are oldtimers.
More food for tought.....

 

[zachrockbadenof]

Ha! I'm an old-timer. This is hilarious to me. I think quality and potency has gone way, way, way down since I was young.
ThaiBliss

TB... agree 100pct... 40+ yrs ago, there's no doubt in my mind (or whats left of it) that the weed kicked-ass... much more so then today's hybrids... trying to bring down the flowering time of a 4-5month sativa, by combining with an indica, in my mind does not work.. today's herb gets u stone... does not get u high...

 

[zachrockbadenof]

I've seen very mixed reactions from people who have tried my outdoor Panama and Golden Tiger. mostly their reaction was - it's ok. then there was situation that two joints sent everyone home. party over, which doesn't happen often. it was freshly harvested Golden Tiger.

how long did you let the tiger go?? we have 1 GT, which we picked 1/3 at 110days, another 1/3 at 130days, and awaiting the final cut in a week which will be 150days...

we have tried the 110day cut after a quicky dry, and after a cure of 2 weeks... its 'ok' ...not as strong as we hoped for... hoping the extra 20/40 days of growing will improve it...

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings[/quote]

Thanks Harry. Excellent post. Nothing is black and white. For the purposes of growing and breeding, I believe testing with a machine is almost worthless. The true test is smoking it and seeing if you enjoy it. So far, it has done little for understanding of how cannabis effects us.

In the long run, it can help with scientific knowledge. But think about it. Who was the best and most prolific breeder of plants, Mendel or Burbank.


I deeply fear laws that may be considered that regulate content of the medical cannabis grown based on gas chromatography. Thus will result in another generation of screwing things up.


ThaiBliss

 

[stickshift]

The Seedbank, Nevil did a Nepali/Kerala cross that was supposed to be pretty lethal, wonder if anybody has comments/experiences about that one?

do you have a ref for that... I remember SSSC did a M24 which I think was Afghan/Nepalese x Kerala ?

Edit: the only nev one I could find was

Kerala x Afghan

 

[harry74]

Thanks Harry. Excellent post. Nothing is black and white. For the purposes of growing and breeding, I believe testing with a machine is almost worthless. The true test is smoking it and seeing if you enjoy it. So far, it has done little for understanding of how cannabis effects us.

In the long run, it can help with scientific knowledge. But think about it. Who was the best and most prolific breeder of plants, Mendel or Burbank.

I deeply fear laws that may be considered that regulate content of the medical cannabis grown based on gas chromatography. Thus will result in another generation of screwing things up.

ThaiBliss

Thanks. I don´t believe science can answer all the questions but is like another discipline.
Mendel was a monk, a religious man, but his faith/beliefs didn´t stop him from trying to find answers with another discipline.

I like to think with an open mind:

In the mind of the beginner there are many possibilities
In the mind of the expert few

D.T Suzuki

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Thank you for your post.It would be great to see that in paper,but I´m trying just to push your thinking not puting in doubt your Word.

May be you think like a scientist, may be I think like a chef, I´m a trained chef.I love pastry.You have 5 main ingredients flower, sugar,butter,eggs,baking powder.
Using diferent amounths of this ingredients we can cook diferent pastry (cakes, cookies,muffins....)
So may be there is a correlation between the amounth off diferent cannabinoids with a certain effect.
Some could be found in small quantities the same you usually use a small amounth of baking powder in pastry récipes.

Some way, you recognize in your post that this way haven´t been researched or may may be has been who knows...
I hope that you will be able to find some idea of your interest in the "pastry chef reasoning" .

Greetings

First of all chefs use different kinds of flour to make different kinds of cakes, cookies, muffins. Should I talk about why this works without ever baking once? Also baking and getting baked are two different fish don't you agree?
I do not recognize that this way has not been researched, I did the original research. Maybe you need to quit thinking so much and try pure THC spiked with the different Cannabinoids? Then you will have an educated opinion instead of no idea about what you say.
Like I said, CBD and THCV modify THC but not in a good way most smokers prefer, I mean do you really want delayed onset? Do you want reduced peak experience? If you really don't then you do not want the impaired high to last longer, do you?
I realize some smokers get too high and like CBD to prevent that, or use it for medical uses, is that what you are? Too high? Try smoking less....
The pastry chef reasoning is why there are so many myths with Cannabis science, do you remember when THCV was believed to be more potent then THC and much more psychedelic?
Until I tried pure THCV and reported it did not get you high, that is real science with real results.
No problem I will wait until you have tried pure THC with other Cannabinoids besides THCV or CBD, that do modify the THC effects like I explained, but the other 75 Cannabinoids found in Cannabis good luck...
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I´m having a tought about cbd enriched strains cannatonic.
I haven´t tryed any of it but it looks that somehow people is finding the effect different, and I guess some of them are oldtimers.
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Yes the CBD delays the onset of the THC, reduces peak experiences, and lengthens the effects. If that is what you are looking for, it is very well known as all imported sifted hash has a mixture of CBD/THC in it. The question is if the same plants were grown as unseeded sinsemilla and any with CBD eliminated would the high be better? For me the answer is yes, I can not speak what you would like best, try eating it, your are a chef!
CBD does not improve the "high" unless you do not like getting real high, I do.
-SamS

 

[Kozmo]

I would be interested in some of these listed. Can't seem to find them.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Greetings

Thanks Harry. Excellent post. Nothing is black and white. For the purposes of growing and breeding, I believe testing with a machine is almost worthless. The true test is smoking it and seeing if you enjoy it. So far, it has done little for understanding of how cannabis effects us.

Originally Posted by BushyOldGrower:

Testing is valuable however because it gives us something to work with other than our subjective observations.

Answer posted by ThaiBliss:

Absolutely.

IF YOU ARE BREEDING FOR A HIGHER CBD CONTENT YOU WOULD NOT TEST WITH A GC? EVEN FOR CONFIRMATION? GOOD LUCK, YOU WILL NEED IT.....

In the long run, it can help with scientific knowledge. But think about it. Who was the best and most prolific breeder of plants, Mendel or Burbank.

YOU NEED TO READ MORE, MENDEL WAS NOT A BREEDER OF ANYTHING, HE HELPED US UNDERSTAND THAT THE INHERITANCE OF CERTAIN PLANT TRAITS IN PEAS FOLLOWS PARTICULAR PATTERNS, NOW REFERRED TO AS THE LAWS OF MENDELIAN INHERITANCE.
BURBANK IS A REAL BREEDER, THAT USED SELECTION FROM HUGE POPULATIONS TO CREATE NEW VARIETIES LIKE THE BURBANK POTATO.

I deeply fear laws that may be considered that regulate content of the medical cannabis grown based on gas chromatography. Thus will result in another generation of screwing things up.

WELL THEN WE BETTER STOP ALL SCIENCE BEFORE IT SCREWS EVERYTHING UP! I GUESS WE COULD TOSS ALL WE HAVE LEARNED ABOUT GENETICS AND INHERITANCE AND JUST DO IT FROM THE HEART?
-SamS

ThaiBliss[/QUOTE]
-SamS

 

[Pepe le skunk]

Sam,
what is the effect of thcv in strains from africa like malawi? Remember reading something in HT about it having more psycoactive properties and almost a trippy feeling from that sativa. Would Malawi be in the same category as thai an NLD?

If not a property of the thcv that makes the Malawi trippy then what makes the trippy feeling in sativas?

Thanks for your knowledge.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Sam,
what is the effect of thcv in strains from africa like malawi? Remember reading something in HT about it having more psycoactive properties and almost a trippy feeling from that sativa. Would Malawi be in the same category as thai an NLD?

If not a property of the thcv that makes the Malawi trippy then what makes the trippy feeling in sativas?

Thanks for your knowledge.

Terpenes. The reason NLD, or SATIVAS, have such nice terpenes is because they were selected for thousands of years by the farmers as keepers after they smoked individual plants. With WLD, or INDICAS the farmers only smoke the resin from many plants not from single plants, so it is much harder to pick and save the one out of thousands of plants that has the best terpenes.
-SamS

 

[Pepe le skunk]

Terpenes. Nice. Can terpenes be identified like thc, cbd and thcv? Have they been isolated? Or profiled? Good info Sam.

Cool video on Terpenes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a8Q9ouvpXQ

 

[Tiami]

how long did you let the tiger go?? we have 1 GT, which we picked 1/3 at 110days, another 1/3 at 130days, and awaiting the final cut in a week which will be 150days...

we have tried the 110day cut after a quicky dry, and after a cure of 2 weeks... its 'ok' ...not as strong as we hoped for... hoping the extra 20/40 days of growing will improve it...

they were grown outside, 40N. chopped begining of november. could have let them for a week more maybe. F2 Early pheno, defenetly on Malawi side. unbelievable vigour and drought resistance. amazing plants for dessert like climates.

the high is racey at first, then very energetic and trippy for me. but I don't smoke much. it's not good for sitting and chilling. I need to do things, either it will hammer me down. you need to be in 'movement' and in good mood then it's really enjoyable.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Thanks. I don´t believe science can answer all the questions but is like another discipline.
Mendel was a monk, a religious man, but his faith/beliefs didn´t stop him from trying to find answers with another discipline.

I like to think with an open mind:

In the mind of the beginner there are many possibilities
In the mind of the expert few

D.T Suzuki

Harry,

If I come across someone offering Chemical Dawg, I am ,without a doubt, going to try it.


Sam,

I think all the various components in cannabis effect different people in different ways. I've been smoking, testing, for over 45 years, and all the most intensely potent and most fun highs have all had a delayed onset. I view that as a good sign.

When I first smoked indica, I was struck by how instantly it got me high, and I loved it for that. But I never found any that got me to the peak experiences or long lasting 6 + hour highs that good sativas do. After the novelty of it wore off, I found that I built a tolerance to them that I did not get with great weeds like Thai, Jamaican Ganja, Sumatran, etc..

I did have a few great indicas. One which made me feel really enjoyable trippy, but it literally lasted 10 minutes. The rest of the time it felt plain old vanilla indica. Best tasting weed I ever grew was a pure indica. Tasted literally like hash oil. Yum!

Burbank simplified things. Grow large numbers, "breed the best, and forget the rest". Knowing Mendel's theory, does not change the procedure.

ThaiBliss

 

[pinkus]

I'm delighted with this thread!!! So the cannibinoid profiles for a potent indica and a potent sativa could be roughly the same, but the terpene profile can make the highs almost completely different?

I've been vaping on one of the newer nevil'sxmullum crosses and I've got to say I love the high. The tastes I can pull out are green mangoes (myrcene is the terp IIRC), carrots (truly no clue)... and this one I didn't taste until a friend pointed it out...... FISH!!! What this has me wondering is how similar this is to making perfume... way, way down in there the smell of shit, of indole derivatives. Just like our neurotransmitters... coincidentally... or more likely not.