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[symbiote420]

I don´t know if this is crap:
Could diffent correlation of cannabinoids. create diferent effects

Ever find a keeper in a pack or two? (< rhetorical)

 

[bioguy]

That could very well be the case. Lot of my old grow buddies are still very to themselves. We also had a hash plant cut around the same time that was as potent as any chem. We were told that hash plant was smuggled back to the states from afghan in the 70's. Still have it but it is tired!

No offense meant! It was a joke

With that said, I hope it is true! I can't blame these guys for laying low...considering the raids and all.

Perhaps with the new laws they will surface.

If the dog cut is still around they should start a seed bank. It looks like everyone in Cali that had anything close to worthy became a breeder....or had their stock stolen.

 

[bioguy]

I heard tissue culture might restore vigor to a clone. Idk I could be trippin.

Nope not trippin. Its been a year or more since I've looked into this, but, last I checked you are correct.

The problem was tissue culture was also yielding unrelated phenotypes, males and other garbage. I think these issues are slowly being resolved. Even if its a crap shot...its worth a try.

 

[bioguy]

NLD
-SamS

Fair enough....

but we also use NLD for Yunnan, Nepal and Kerala. They are a far cry from the NLD in Thailand/SE Asia.

I'm not trying to be difficult but I've taken graduate taxonomy/cladistics/botany so I know debate over the semantics of issues like this is never ending.

 

[bioguy]

It seems to me if the Afghan Strains deserve the Afghanicathen the SE Asian deserve recognition as well. Both are distinct lines caused by restricted pools derived from NLD.

Looks like I should have read more...

Thai = C. indica spp. indica var. indochinensis

Photo taken from Cannabis evolution and ethnobotany.

The citation about terminology is from 1940 but the book uses the newer NLD BLD terminology throughout so I suspect this terminology is still correct.

 

[Pbud]

Taking a cutting off a plant that's been in bloom for a few weeks resets the vigor, sorta like a mini re-veg!! A few of my pals have done this to their old clones with great success.

Have done that a few times over the years. Taste is just not what it used to be. The smell too. Still very strong thc content.

 

[bioguy]

Taking a cutting off a plant that's been in bloom for a few weeks resets the vigor, sorta like a mini re-veg!! A few of my pals have done this to their old clones with great success.

I had no idea! Good to know. I would have thought it would "punk it out" faster.

I've always suspected that "punked out" was the result of taking clones from a stressed mom. Reveg seems like stress so I would have never put this together.

Thanks.

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Have done that a few times over the years. Taste is just not what it used to be. The smell too. Still very strong thc content.

Have you tried selfing it?

 

[Pbud]

Looks like I should have read more...

Thai = C. indica spp. indica var. indochinensis

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Photo taken from Cannabis evolution and ethnobotany.

12%. Chems regularly test in the 20%. My Chem D at 27%. Lady at test place told me it was highest she ever tested.

 

[bioguy]

12%. Chems regularly test in the 20%. My Chem D at 27%. Lady at test place told me it was highest she ever tested.

Yeah, This goes way back to a NLD, BLD, Sativa, Tropical... discussion from way back...pg 18

 

[symbiote420]

Yeah Pbud we probably have the same Chem D cut, got mine outta CO. and it came in at 26% here!! Got some unreleased Chem D x A35 that a few peeps have ran already that have turned out killer ....there maybe a bx in the making!!! The A35 Mota used made some A+++ hybrids, a 35+ year old strain that's not like your textbook affie.

 

[bioguy]

So you were trying to trick us old guy's? No problem, you did, I am still amazed, is the plant any good? A good yielder? Taste? Is it more NLD, SATIVA or WLD, INDICA?
-SamS

Not trying to trick anyone per se. It was a follow up to my comment about leaf shape not being an ideal trait to track and that taxonomists are distancing themselves from morphological traits in general.

I am trilled you are still amazed!

Any good, yield, taste?
By my standards I think so. I'm no pro but I like to think I'm pretty good (I'm surviving in Colorado...thats gotta say something). It is almost always my biggest yielder but has the worst calyx to leaf ratio (but reasonable). I average 1lb per light in soil w/o co2. This one is usually a more like 1 1/4. It smells lie candy, kinda grapey. Taste is fruity and fresh like the smell according to my friends (I smoke cigs and my palate is kinda fried). It usually gets a touch of blue/purple late in flush but does not have the odor I associate with purple nugs. This is my "most typical" products with great bag appeal. Plenty of crystals but its not dripping like my Bruce Banner.

Is it more NLD, SATIVA or WLD, INDICA?
Well...not sure...depends... its growth is more NLD but its a pretty typical modern hybrid. I'll let you decide. It stretches like crazy, has long spear shaped buds, takes an extra week or so, has the NLD leaf and produces nug on leaf mutation that I believe is from Thai heritage. The high is pretty basic. Its potent but I've never had anyone say it was cerebral or narcotic. Everyone likes it, I've never had anyone disappointed, but nobody demands it either.

These were flowered November 22th

These were flowered November 29th

When I was taking these photos I noticed that the biggest leaves are all in the shade on the bottom. The average leaf is very typical. Narrow/medium/wide leaves are all over the plant but the real broad (with full leaf margin overlap) are all below in the shade. I also noticed some real broad leafs around the edges of the tray. Because I screen my plants they might not all be the oldest.


MORE SPECULATION:
As an evolutionary biologist I am fascinated by gene regulation. If I had to guess/speculate I would suspect that is what is causing this. That is...the plant is expressing BLD genes due to the stress induced by the shade. I should add that the mom will drop shaded branches in a heart beat. No tolerance for shade in veg.

 

[Pbud]

Yeah Pbud we probably have the same Chem D cut, got mine outta CO. and it came in at 26% here!! Got some unreleased Chem D x A35 that a few peeps have ran already that have turned out killer ....there maybe a bx in the making!!! The A35 Mota used made some A+++ hybrids, a 35+ year old strain that's not like your textbook affie.

A35 sounds killer!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I would call Yunnan WLH.
Nepal and Kerala are NLD.
I do not want to debate, but I am sure as I have grown thousands of Yunnan they did not have any serious amount of THC, lots of CBD and other cannabinoids, but little THC. I tested them via my GC.
Nepal and Kerala are NLD because the THC is way more then the CBD or other Cannabinoids.
Who is we that use NLD for Yunnan?
I suspect Yunnan is the start for both Thai NLD and Afghan WLD, Yunnan can be selected with enough plants over many years to have more THC then CBD, RCC did it pretty much. Although I still did not like the plants effects, to lightweight, but in a hundred years that would be very different. Selection is all it takes and numbers to select from. Happy you took taxonomy/cladistics/botany but besides Hops what will cladisticst help with Cannabis? You need to grow Yunnan, lots of unimproved lines and see how little THC they have, then I think you might change your mind.
In RCC's Cannabis Evolution and Ethnobotany Look at Pg xv, xvit, xviim, C. indica ssp chinensis or the map 1, you can see Yunnan is WLH. RCC also now agrees with me about my theory that Yunnan is the start of both Afghani WLD and Thai NLD, although he denied it for a decade, he came around in time and now has incorporated it into his ideas. I think you have the book?
-SamS

Fair enough....

but we also use NLD for Yunnan, Nepal and Kerala. They are a far cry from the NLD in Thailand/SE Asia.

I'm not trying to be difficult but I've taken graduate taxonomy/cladistics/botany so I know debate over the semantics of issues like this is never ending.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Bio Guy

The plant those leaves came from .
What was the placement of your lamps ?

My experience tells me that plants vegged with horizontal lights in reflectors grow wider leaves , than when I flower with vert lamps .Cuttings grown under horizontal lights grow differently under vert and have very different leaf shape .
Pretty much like your set of leaves there .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[bigherb]

I think the dog bud which is the parents of OG and Chem came from the hippie trail in the 70's that went to Afgan and brought back beans. Prob were growing it for years before we got it. Chem d was a bagseed that chemdog found in the dog bud we sent him.

I did love the tai stick and Afgan and Laos bud we got in NYC in the mid 80's. But it doesn't touch the chem genetics in my opinion. Just my opinion. Pot today, is stronger. And Chem d is the most potent of all!

Your opinion is appreciated ,Its nice to see you posting and Joebrand aswell

Are you originally from the NYC area ?

That thought of a pure Afghani is interesting .The Hp13 is thought to be a St8 Ghani from those Trails aswell .I recall seeing pics of DP Diesel x Hp13 which looked very much like the 91

Makes sense as Chem seems dominant in most hybrids an several pure Indica IBL lines also seem to dominate such as Deep Chunk /X18 /Purple erkel

That could very well be the case. Lot of my old grow buddies are still very to themselves. We also had a hash plant cut around the same time that was as potent as any chem. We were told that hash plant was smuggled back to the states from afghan in the 70's. Still have it but it is tired!

I appreciate the honesty ,ive had similiar experience .Im from NYC I love Hp its some of the most potent Herb Ive experienced

Thats great to know she is still alive buty sad to hear of her condition ,this seems to be the same story for the legendary old Hashplant cuttings .Like Dr Purpur said maybe you can try selfing

Have you made any crosses wit that Hp? that might still carry those lost traits


Always appreciated

1luvbigherb

 

[Tonygreen]

Or maybe it is like my football jersey from high school, I just think I still fit in it.

 

[bigherb]

It looks like any of the true pure BLD lines that left Afghanistan hybridized with NLD and many maintained the broad leaf. Like the broad leaf we see today in Pakistan/Uzbekistan etc is reportedly hybridized.

Is this why you guys mentioned Pre-Soviet? I would think the war sent/brought seeds from the four corners of the world. Is the pure BLD in as much risk of extinction as the Tropical NLD???

There are several factors why the ibl's are becomin more rare an the term pre soviet has a deeper definition than a few words or just one war.

The war on Drugs an the increased pressure threwout the years from the U.S on other countries has played a big role an had a global impact. The wars as mentioned have caused farmers to abandon their lands an the change of times has made growers switch to more profitable crops

Sams says it best below

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman
I am pretty sure Indicas were developed from Southern China varieties in the last five hundred years, after being moved to Afghanistan, et al.
The reason I like the more Indica Indica varieties is because the Indicas are cultivated for hash, the sativas just grow wild in Afghanistan and are mostly not even used, but they do contaminate the Indicas with Sativa genes, so you often see Indica/Sativa hybrids in seeds imported from Afghanistan. A good Indica to the farmers was one that made a lot of hash, on the flowers or leaves no difference, and the wild Sativas don't make as much hash.
If you saw fields in Afghanistan in the North from the early 1970's they were much more Indica looking because Cannabis was legal and proper seed production of pure Indicas was easier to accomplish and easier to obtain.
With 30 years of war the country and the genepool have been through hell.
Anyway what you seem to think of as normal Indica, is to me a mongrel of Indica and wild Sativas, while the exaggerated ones are the real Indica blood.
And yes I have many times grew out lots of seeds from Afghanistan and found Sativa or Indica/Sativa looking plants, but I have also grown out batches of seeds directly from Afghanistan that only gave classic Indicas. But to be honest every year they seem to be worse and maybe more Sativa.
Most seeds collected the last 10-20 years were from down south Afghanistan, while the best was always up in the north by Mazar & Balkh. Cannabis is a traditional up in the north with a lot of experienced growers and hash makers, as well as seed growers.

-SamS

1luvbigherb

 

[symbiote420]

The Seedbank, Nevil did a Nepali/Kerala cross that was supposed to be pretty lethal, wonder if anybody has comments/experiences about that one?

 

[harry74]

Ever find a keeper in a pack or two? (< rhetorical)

Just curious...
Any idea wich are the maximun levels of CBG,CBD,CBN,THCV found in a lab ( I mean tested from a cannabis simple ).?