Most potent strains

[idiit]

from a british_hempire post on another thread:


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CBF, who lives in wetern Colorado where the dog bud that chemdawg descends from wrote this at icmag in 2007, give you an idea of why it's so hard to find info, in 1996 the feds busted the area badly which was only a few years after chemdog (the guy) bought the dog buds in which he found the seeds he grew the chemdawg from so that kind of indicates that either the original growers and cuts are gone or are now very underground. Perhpas with the med status in Colorado they might resurface, but to me, it sounds like they were outlaw types so I doubt they have anything to do with the med scene. If they were bikers, they probably moved somewhere else when the feds turned up.

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chemdawg is/was a rename of the original bud the chem seed came from. also if im followin right, it also came from locals here in my area. have heard it called colorado dog, but dont know if thats accurate.

Pbud (another local line) has said it was bud from some bikers outta crested butte. ive smoked Pbud (Paonia Purple Paralyzer) have never heard of CO Dog or chemdawg local. ive asked quite a few of the old local growers around here (used to be a hotspot around here for outdoor growin) about Pbud or chem seed, and noone has any, or heard of CO Dog or Chem.

lots of the local growers are growin a line called redlands here. sorry line imo. good ole days are a memory around here. Feds had a big wing ding around here 12 or so years ago, and many a grower lost there land and homes. and i believe that was the demise of the Pbud. i was suprised to hear chemdawg actually had seed of the Pbud, as the story here is the grower of the Pbud, either was busted, or skinned out when it went bad here. and he was very protective of his line.

so chemdawg, if the story is accurate, originates from a seedline here on the western slope of colorado.

CBF
The guy in Virginia who was the source of the Massachussets Super Skunk that went into making the diesels was sent down for a long prson stretch, the MSS was originally called Virgina Skunk and got the MSS name after it travelled to Massachussets (where Chemdog (the guy) hails from. I just mention this as a further example of how hard it can be to trace lineages as many people from back then either left the scene or got busted and sent down.

This is what JJ-NYC had to say about Diesel, you can take his word on this as fact:

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Let me give everyone a history lession about the Diesel. The Chem Dawg
was a unknown indica strain(Kush,HP,or NL?) old school, from
Colorodo. (Does anyone know what strain or its orgin?)This is the
orginal NYC DIESEL. Two friends met on Dead tour. A pound of Chem
was mailed to Mass. around 93-94.Seeds were found and started.My
friend met Mass.G. at Phish tour 93-94.Clones of the Chem Dawg and
Super Skunk made their way to NYC. With no male,The Weasel crossed a
Sensi NL male with the Super Skunk. Took a male and crossed it with
the Chem Dawg creating the Underdawg Diesel or (Diesel no.1,Headband
Diesel,or Daywrecker Diesel).Another strain in his room the DNL
(NL/Shiva(RFK)/Hawiian cross) self seeded the Under Dawg a seed was
grown and The Sour Diesel was created, no planned breeding, it just
happened. This is the Diesel gospel. Everything else is BS including
soma (who the fuck is soma?) I challenge anyone who questions this
fact, for I have been involved with the Diesel since it came to NYC.

^^ link

here's a link to a colordo green bud thread i started here at ic where colorado green bud is possibly another name for dog bud?:

^^ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=274815

 

[symbiote420]

I never knew JJ ever said that about HP or NL being in the Chem lineage but I swear after growing the Chems and different chem hybrids over these last couple years that's an observation I easily made after growing the Ghash!!! It reminds me/us of the ol' school affies we used to smoke on back in the daze too!


Chem D


Chem 4


G13/HP p6


G13/HP p6 ......what does this resemble???


G13/HP p1, NL/HP pheno, low odor but has a floral musty frangrance and a knock your dick in the dirt stone!!






Stem rubs in veg are identical to Chemdawg as well, burnt rubber/garlic/skunky/fuely!! Again I'm not saying this is the Chem ...but I'm rather exploring the possibility that it could definitely be in the make up!

 

[bioguy]

I think the dog bud which is the parents of OG and Chem came from the hippie trail in the 70's that went to Afgan and brought back beans. Prob were growing it for years before we got it. Chem d was a bagseed that chemdog found in the dog bud we sent him.

I did love the tai stick and Afgan and Laos bud we got in NYC in the mid 80's. But it doesn't touch the chem genetics in my opinion. Just my opinion. Pot today, is stronger. And Chem d is the most potent of all!

Thank again!

A lot of my interest in this come from (as you may have noticed) an obsession with the early history of Sativa Indica hybrid vigor. The Haze and Thai are the obvious choice for where the Queen Sativa came from but the King Indica remains uncrowned. Well... Chem D is wearing it but I thought we might have to take it away and give it to the Chem Parent if it could be found.

I always think of NL#1 when I think about the old school Indica. This thread has reminded me of the importance of G-13/HP. Chem D is the obvious winner these days. But the idea that Chem D may have come from seeds sourced in the field never even crossed my mind...even thou its obviously an option.

Your comment about the hippie trail is perfect because it reminds me that many of the best genetics came to the west in the pocket of a traveler that never became a famous breeder/seed bank owner.

 

[bioguy]

I can't help it....sorry


What if the original Dog Bud clone is still in Colorado and the bastard is hoarding it?

What if the Dog Bud is the result of an untrained "pollen chucker" "ruining cannabis" trying to preserve his precious Afghan seed line?

If either is true, it would be funnier than if it was just a cross of the 2 oldest hot shit strains....and tie 27 pages of chitchat together very nicely.

 

[bioguy]

It looks like any of the true pure BLD lines that left Afghanistan hybridized with NLD and many maintained the broad leaf. Like the broad leaf we see today in Pakistan/Uzbekistan etc is reportedly hybridized.

Is this why you guys mentioned Pre-Soviet? I would think the war sent/brought seeds from the four corners of the world. Is the pure BLD in as much risk of extinction as the Tropical NLD???

PS...that paragraph is why NLD/BLD is probably not worth using. If "Afghan means Afghan" and "Indica means Marijuana" and "Sativa means Hemp" what the hell do I call Thai/Haze/Mexi/African plants that take 12-30 weeks and have open bud structure??????

 

[bioguy]

Any other pure or nearly pure BLD lines?

Deep Chunk?
Other Cali broad leafs?

Any other major Indica's not related to NL#1 or G-13 or HP or Chem???

 

[bioguy]

I never knew JJ ever said that about HP or NL being in the Chem lineage

Is that a reference to ... (Kush,HP,or NL?) in the previous quote?

but I swear after growing the Chems and different chem hybrids over these last couple years that's an observation I easily made after growing the Ghash!!! It reminds me/us of the ol' school affies we used to smoke on back in the daze too!

Stem rubs in veg are identical to Chemdawg as well, burnt rubber/garlic/skunky/fuely!! Again I'm not saying the is the Chem ...but I'm rather exploring the possibility that it could be in the make up!

It makes a ton of sense that a G-13/HP might yield a similar pheno. When I was reading up on NLD and BLD I read numerous time that the BLD gene pool is terribly small and only exist is pure form in a small part of Afghanistan. This makes me think that some/most of the people who went there looking (really looking) for the best found similar things.

 

[Pbud]

I can't help it....sorry


What if the original Dog Bud clone is still in Colorado and the bastard is hoarding it?

What if the Dog Bud is the result of an untrained "pollen chucker" "ruining cannabis" trying to preserve his precious Afghan seed line?

If either is true, it would be funnier than if it was just a cross of the 2 oldest hot shit strains....and tie 27 pages of chitchat together very nicely.

That could very well be the case. Lot of my old grow buddies are still very to themselves. We also had a hash plant cut around the same time that was as potent as any chem. We were told that hash plant was smuggled back to the states from afghan in the 70's. Still have it but it is tired!

 

[Pbud]

There used to be a thread on here called Chemdog 101 that pretty much explained all the history with pictures that was accurate. Guy that did the thread knew everyone involved and laid it out pretty well.

 

[Cannavore]

There used to be a thread on here called Chemdog 101 that pretty much explained all the history with pictures that was accurate. Guy that did the thread knew everyone involved and laid it out pretty well.

The Chem Family - https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=185120

Chemdawg 101- https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=60048

 

[siftedunity]

That could very well be the case. Lot of my old grow buddies are still very to themselves. We also had a hash plant cut around the same time that was as potent as any chem. We were told that hash plant was smuggled back to the states from afghan in the 70's. Still have it but it is tired!

s1 it or bx it incase it dies!

 

[Tonygreen]

I heard tissue culture might restore vigor to a clone. Idk I could be trippin.

 

[symbiote420]

Taking a cutting off a plant that's been in bloom for a few weeks resets the vigor, sorta like a mini re-veg!! A few of my pals have done this to their old clones with great success.

 

[symbiote420]

I heard tissue culture might restore vigor to a clone. Idk I could be trippin.

TC will cure diseases if any and reset the plant's vigor .....and another plus is they can't add TC samples to your plant #s, a few pals keep a wide selection of mother's on deck that way!

 

[symbiote420]

Borrowed this pic from MoneyMike in that Chem Family thread

Nugshots of the 91, the D, and the 3 ....I've had all three in the harem!


...........posting my Ghash nugs again for comparison!
88 G13/HP p1


88 G13/HP p4


88 G13/HP p6

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Pbud , Symbiote

The Haze boys in Holland put the mothers outdoors in the ground during Summer .
They tell me it revitalises the old girls . Then make fresh cuttings for their new mother for another year .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

ThaiBliss: Couchlock is not a product of CBD - that's a common misconception.

CANNABIS WITH HIGH THC AND HIGH CBD CAN BE COUCHLOCK, IT DEPENDS ON THE STRAIN AND THE TERPENES PRESENT.

In fact, CBD has no psychotropic effects, mainly anxiolytic and anti-inflammatory and other medical effects. Although, to be fair, I don't think much has been done to see how it works synergetically with THC, I suspect any research here will show good results.

CBD MODULATES THE THC EFFECTS, DELAYING ONSET. REDUCING PEAK EXPERIENCES, AS WELL AS MAKING THE SCREWED UP HIGH LAST LONGER.

It's been so bred out of modern strains, anyway, as to hardly be relevant in discussions of "strength". Some work is being done to reintroduce it, but I think that mainly concerns medical use.

IT WAS BRED OUT OF SMOKING GANJA HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO, NOTHING NEW TO THIS.

The tired, nervy and listless effects you describe have indeed been attributed to CBN. However, CBN is a product of cannabinoid breakdown, unlike THC and CBD which are genetically determined.

So, the bottom line, as far as I understand is that it's THC that both makes you stoned AND makes you high! It seems we are unsure why sometimes it will do the one and sometimes the other.

THC IS BIPHASIC, FIRST IT GETS YOU HIGH AND STIMULATED THEN IS A DEPRESSANT HELPFUL FOR SLEEP.

It is actually quite remarkable how little we know about the psychotropic effects of cannabis!!!

Some people have speculated that it might be THC in conjuction with terpenes, a fair guess, but I don't know how much this has been proved - I suspect not much. I am sure terpenes play a major role, limonine for instance has been much researched on its own. Also myrsene (sp?) and others. However, I am not convinced it's just that. Sometimes it is quite difficult to admit we know next to nothing, especially when we've convinced ourselves that, well, we know a little bit.

I am the speculator you are talking about. I did the work ten years ago with RCC and others. You can believe me or not.
The work was done with more then a dozen subjects, all the tests were double blind no one had any idea what they tried, The samples were weighed to .01 of a gram and vaporized on a volcano. Samples were 25 mg with and without spiked terpenes, the terpenes were pharmaceutical grade, so were the Cannabinoids, THC, CBD, CBC, CBG, CBN, THCV and a few more. A 100 page organoleptic survey of 100 questions were given before and after the tests. Only one test a day, first thing in the morning before anyone smoked.
It was a proper test believe me, or not....
You should try pure 100% THC with and without terpenes before you speak up about something you know very little about, but hey that did not stop you from commenting anyway.
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

It looks like any of the true pure BLD lines that left Afghanistan hybridized with NLD and many maintained the broad leaf. Like the broad leaf we see today in Pakistan/Uzbekistan etc is reportedly hybridized.

Is this why you guys mentioned Pre-Soviet? I would think the war sent/brought seeds from the four corners of the world. Is the pure BLD in as much risk of extinction as the Tropical NLD???

PS...that paragraph is why NLD/BLD is probably not worth using. If "Afghan means Afghan" and "Indica means Marijuana" and "Sativa means Hemp" what the hell do I call Thai/Haze/Mexi/African plants that take 12-30 weeks and have open bud structure??????

NLD
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Yes they are....but I admit that I cherry picked 2 that were the most different. And yes I would say they get bigger with maturity.

With that said, narrow leaves can be found down low and fat ones up top (the standard is narrow up top and fat down low). The average leaf on the plant is the intermediate shape.

I'll post some full plant pics tonight.

I must say, if you've never seen this...it makes me really excited. Your reputation is legendary so the idea I found anything you've never seen is pretty cool to me. And proof we all have something to share, contribute, learn, experience etc.

Thanks for following

So you were trying to trick us old guy's? No problem, you did, I am still amazed, is the plant any good? A good yielder? Taste? Is it more NLD, SATIVA or WLD, INDICA?
-SamS

 

[harry74]

I don´t know if this is crap:
Could diffent correlation of cannabinoids. create diferent effects