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[harry74]

Well, I´ve seen this before, but as you say to each one his own.

Besides this, could you please, tell me somenthing about Early Girl? If I`m not wrong you brought it to Europe?
Did you breed it yourself like Skunk#1?
I did grow Early Girl around 2004.
I think it´s a good seed line may be low yielding but great quality.
I´m unable to find anything online.
Any info welcome... (if you are not too angry with me)

 

[Dr. Purpur]

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I've been vaping on one of the newer nevil'sxmullum crosses and I've got to say I love the high. The tastes I can pull out are green mangoe

Oh Nevil?
That's Sams buddy

 

[relic1981]

lots of good info sam, thanks! one thing that confuses me is that i (like someone above stated, cant remember who...sorry) have found some of the best smelling funkiest plants have been indicas or indica dominate... wouldn't that be an indicator of a large amount of terpenes? i do, however prefer a nice sativa high that lasts a long time. are you saying the terpenes are responsible for this? if thats the case then why do indicas with strong terpenes not last as long.

i also wanted to comment on the "creeper effect". in my experience indicas hit me right away and sativas seem to creep more, come on slowler but lasts longer. there is always exceptions to the that... but wouldnt this indicate sativas to have more cbd?

sam: do you feel that the terpenes are just as important, pyshcoactively speaking, as thc, thcv, cbd, cbn and other cannibinoids? can you tell us what your favorite terps are?

 

[pinkus]

Oh Nevil?
That's Sams buddy

hey now, I'm NOT trying to stir that pot. At least half of the genetics went though sam's hands and the mullum is a wild card for me. Besides they were from f2s obtained gratis so at least I'm not directly lining nev's pockets.

I personally think the whole seach for the lost haze is pointless. It was the best KNOWN sativa out there, but it was derived from something. to paraphrase sam, people want it because thay can't have it.

 

[canned abyss1]

Since indica and sativa are not the proper terms, and "wide leaf and narrow leaf drug" sound like something a kid might call it, I think using Latin terms might be more appropriate. For instance "wide leaf drug" = prolixus folium medicamento and "narrow leaf drug" = substrictus folium medicamento. Just an idea.
example: Damn that prolixus had me fucked up, I couldn't get off of the couch,
or I can't believe how high I got of off that substrictus, I was in fucking space.
Hybrids could be a combination of the words, if it is prolixus dominant it can be call "prostrictus" and if it is substrictus dominant it can be called "sublixus".

 

[bioguy]

G`day Bio Guy

The plant those leaves came from .
What was the placement of your lamps ?

My experience tells me that plants vegged with horizontal lights in reflectors grow wider leaves , than when I flower with vert lamps .Cuttings grown under horizontal lights grow differently under vert and have very different leaf shape .
Pretty much like your set of leaves there .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

I've got 3 generic 1000 watt in the most standard hoods and a 4th in a tube.

This stain is really stretchy... so the buds always get to close to the lights. Maybe that is manipulating the light angle and causing a similar effect.

 

[relic1981]

Since indica and sativa are not the proper terms, and "wide leaf and narrow leaf drug" sound like something a kid might call it, I think using Latin terms might be more appropriate. For instance "wide leaf drug" = prolixus folium medicamento and "narrow leaf drug" = substrictus folium medicamento. Just an idea.
example: Damn that prolixus had me fucked up, I couldn't get off of the couch,
or I can't believe how high I got of off that substrictus, I was in fucking space.
Hybrids could be a combination of the words, if it is prolixus dominant it can be call "prostrictus" and if it is substrictus dominant it can be called "sublixus".

you are right those arent always the right terms for certain plants but im not sure i like the sound of wide leaf "drug" or narrow leaf "drug" i dont consider cannabis a drug in the traditional sense.. when i hear drugs i either think pharmaceuticals or hard drugs. cannabis is more of an herbal supplement. yes it is technically a drug but very different than most of the other"drugs" in the world. why not wide or narrow leaf cannabis. or regional names that indicate what type of plant it is such as indian sativa, Indian indica, Hindu kush indica, Mexican, Colombian, Thai sativa or equatorial sativas, etc. or more appropriately (Sam please chime in here) name them after the four major cannabis groups such as cannabis afghanica, cannabis sativa, cannabis ruderalis, and cannabis indica. most folks are already familiar with those terms so it seems easier to me than to rename them entirely. just my 2 cents

 

[Tonygreen]

Its a drug by all human standards and definitions bro....

 

[bioguy]

I would call Yunnan WLH.
Nepal and Kerala are NLD.
I do not want to debate, but I am sure as I have grown thousands of Yunnan they did not have any serious amount of THC, lots of CBD and other cannabinoids, but little THC. I tested them via my GC.
Nepal and Kerala are NLD because the THC is way more then the CBD or other Cannabinoids.
Who is we that use NLD for Yunnan?
I suspect Yunnan is the start for both Thai NLD and Afghan WLD, Yunnan can be selected with enough plants over many years to have more THC then CBD, RCC did it pretty much. Although I still did not like the plants effects, to lightweight, but in a hundred years that would be very different. Selection is all it takes and numbers to select from. Happy you took taxonomy/cladistics/botany but besides Hops what will cladisticst help with Cannabis? You need to grow Yunnan, lots of unimproved lines and see how little THC they have, then I think you might change your mind.
In RCC's Cannabis Evolution and Ethnobotany Look at Pg xv, xvit, xviim, C. indica ssp chinensis or the map 1, you can see Yunnan is WLH. RCC also now agrees with me about my theory that Yunnan is the start of both Afghani WLD and Thai NLD, although he denied it for a decade, he came around in time and now has incorporated it into his ideas. I think you have the book?
-SamS

I'm not trying to debate either, and I trust your knowledge. I'm just trying to understand one of the details.

Yunnan was a bad inclusion in the list (I did not know the WLH part).

I agree 100% that Nepal, Kerala and Thai are all NLD Indica but I don't see where the term C. indica spp. indica var. indochinensis is retired. Hillig includeds some in the hemp line but I can't imagine the High THC cultivars were part of that. IDK?

I see several reasons to consider them distinct.
1) the PDA/NLDA would not have been a tropical photoperiod plant and neither are the NLD lines in Nepal or Northern India.
2) The open / closed bud structure
3) The SE Asian lines may have arose from PDA/NLDA plants (quite possibly Yunnan) simultaneous while NLD proliferated in India.

As for taking those classes I was not trying to make myself authoritative or anything. I was just pointing out that I know leaf shape is not what taxonomists rely on anymore. Hillig has advanced the subject greatly with chemotaxonomic analysis but I don't think that means the subject is closed to further study. It is not uncommon for taxonomists to do dozens of analysis and combine the results in a meta analysis. If these studies were conducted using terpene profiles, bud structures, photoperiod dependence etc they would yield different results.

And... cladistics is as important to separating NLD, BLD from the PDA, NLDA etc as it is to separating Hops from Cannabis and Strawberries.

 

[bioguy]

Does anyone have access to the full text of this document?

Genetic evidence for speciation in Cannabis (Cannabaceae) Karl W. Hillig

 

[bioguy]

when i hear drugs i either think pharmaceuticals or hard drugs.

just my 2 cents

Thanks for your thoughts but remember this is scientific literature, published and peer reviewed. Scientists don't draw lines between pharmaceuticals or hard drugs.

The formal/scientific definition of Drug: A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication OR a substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.

I know its semantics.

Thats my 2 cents. The cool thing about a cent is.... yours are worth as much as mine.

 

[bioguy]

I'm surprised nobody has asked about Chem x (Pre Soviet Afghan) crosses.

I don't see any when I look but some of you have sources that are beyond me.

 

[bioguy]

I'm delighted with this thread!!! So the cannibinoid profiles for a potent indica and a potent sativa could be roughly the same, but the terpene profile can make the highs almost completely different?

I've been vaping on one of the newer nevil'sxmullum crosses and I've got to say I love the high. The tastes I can pull out are green mangoes (myrcene is the terp IIRC), carrots (truly no clue)... and this one I didn't taste until a friend pointed it out...... FISH!!! What this has me wondering is how similar this is to making perfume... way, way down in there the smell of shit, of indole derivatives. Just like our neurotransmitters... coincidentally... or more likely not.

Thanks for the kind words. I have grown a few strains with carrot smells that were really stoney. I speculate it is one of the earthy "green" aromas that was breed out of a lot of strains.

I've been chasing strains with less fruit and bag appeal and have not been disappointed.

 

[Pepe le skunk]

Good info in this thread.

 

[pinkus]

Thanks for the kind words. I have grown a few strains with carrot smells that were really stoney. I speculate it is one of the earthy "green" aromas that was breed out of a lot of strains.

I've been chasing strains with less fruit and bag appeal and have not been disappointed.

the coolest of cools let's put it this way, I'm likely to pop all of the beans I have left that were given to me before anything else gets popped.

Now what's with the fish in there? lol Believe me when I say I've gone through this one plant like a prairie fire, it still tastes great. However it's the clean, bright high with only a minuscule hint of a bottom end, and no discernible ceiling that has me reaching for the jar.

BTW, 10 weeks from the flip using a 11.5/12.5 light schedule. Plant was vegged 4 weeks and had not shown sex (that I could spot) @the flip. I was stunned.

 

[symbiote420]

I'm surprised nobody has asked about Chem x (Pre Soviet Afghan) crosses.

I don't see any when I look but some of you have sources that are beyond me.

Motarebel did an unreleased cross ...Chem D x A35, a 35 yr old affie strain that I've just received some very good news about today!!! The Chem D cut in the circle just tested at 26% and it wasn't grown to it's fullest potential, I've finally convinced my friend of the importance of using this G13/HP in breeding projects and he's finally listening after I directed him to this thread and my Ghash thread at another site. Chem D x Ghash is a go!!!

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Sam S

Here`s a quiz for you .
Why does the high of NLD plants change over a period of time after harvest . Where as BLD seems to change less . What is happening in the NLD to make it seem more like a much more cerebral high at say 2 months compared to say 2 weeks after harvest . Is it terpenes changing or water is released more slowly from the trichomes ? Making the older samples more readily decarboxylated when smoked ?

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Does anyone have access to the full text of this document?

Genetic evidence for speciation in Cannabis (Cannabaceae) Karl W. Hillig

http://pythonkit.com/Genetic-evidence-for-speciation-in-Cannabis-(Cannabaceae)-pdf-e80011.html

I do have it as well as:
A chemotaxonomic analysis of cannabinoid variation in Cannabis (Cannabaceae)
http://www.amjbot.org/content/91/6/966.full

and
A chemotaxonomic analysis of terpenoid variation in Cannabis.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305197804001012

and
A Combined Analysis of Agronomic Traits and Allozyme Allele Frequencies for 69 Cannabis Accessions

and
A systematic investigation of Cannabis, Phd Thesis "Book"

As you can see he covered the issue as well as he could 10-15 years ago when the tools he could use were more limited then today.
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Harry,

If I come across someone offering Chemical Dawg, I am ,without a doubt, going to try it.


Sam,

I think all the various components in cannabis effect different people in different ways. I've been smoking, testing, for over 45 years, and all the most intensely potent and most fun highs have all had a delayed onset. I view that as a good sign.

Original Haze does not have a delayed onset, I have yet to smoke anything better.

When I first smoked indica, I was struck by how instantly it got me high, and I loved it for that. But I never found any that got me to the peak experiences or long lasting 6 + hour highs that good sativas do. After the novelty of it wore off, I found that I built a tolerance to them that I did not get with great weeds like Thai, Jamaican Ganja, Sumatran, etc..

I did have a few great indicas. One which made me feel really enjoyable trippy, but it literally lasted 10 minutes. The rest of the time it felt plain old vanilla indica. Best tasting weed I ever grew was a pure indica. Tasted literally like hash oil. Yum!

Burbank simplified things. Grow large numbers, "breed the best, and forget the rest". Knowing Mendel's theory, does not change the procedure.

ThaiBliss

"Think about it,
Who was the best and most prolific breeder of plants, Mendel or Burbank?"
Was Mendel a breeder of plants?
How can we move ahead without science?
How would anyone confirm CBD levels without science?
Science is the key, personal testing only gives clues to help us aim our science.
The same with terpenes, without science we would all still think the different effects found in Cannabis are from all the different Cannabinoids, but almost all western bred Cannabis has only THC, yet has many different effects.
Science has shown us it is the 130 terpenes that are responsible for most of the different effects.
BTW, I prefer NLD varieties but just because of the terpenes they have, and the terpenes can be bred into WLD varieties or NLD/WLD varieties almost as easy, just a few generations of breeding.
-SamS

 

[relic1981]

Its a drug by all human standards and definitions bro....

you are right, no doubt about that. i just don't like it being associated with other drugs. plus its an herbal drug. not that most drugs are not plant derived or are synthesized to be identical to compunds, chemicals, and what not in nature. but still...lol