Med-Man Tables By Krunchbubble...

[Snype]

The other scenario I know HGO will recommend and i'm sure Snipe is familiar with is to increase the feeds during the first few weeks of the flower period, this will benefit the extra growth.

I feel looking at the design of the MM tables that its a half way house between NFT, Drip irrigation & aeroponics. I'm not sure I would call these tables legendary..

I let the PPM meter show me how high to feed by evaluating how the PPM levels drop after every 24 hour top off as well as know what the PPM values were before top off. I personally feel if the PPM value before top off is higher than the data taken 24 hours before, then you are running too many PPMs (as long as your nutrient formula is balanced for your specific plants and your pH is in-line).

Not sure why everyone is hating on Med Man or his tables. I'm sure they can be great once you have all your variables in line.

 

[The Doktor]

Too many variables that nobody really has time for when there are systems already out there that are solid producers without all the "dial it in" bullshit. Nobody wants to be strapped to a pig that is that complicated. Also when you read med mans posts or videos he swears that he is the greatest of the great after growing for only 15 minutes. And quite honestly Snype, you want to brag about your systems and tutorials and all but you fall into the same category with unfinished threads and wild tales. You just started to join back into these threads after the lashing you took from the "robbery" story. So there's that.
It takes some serious confidence and stones to post your failures as well as success stories. That is the sign of a great grower, not how many taters you are pulling. Thanks Krunch for giving us all a valuable learning experience.

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

You know what might make this system better, if you had a constant flow over the base of the table for NFT but at the same time have several feeds from the top. This way you get the best of both worlds...NFT/Top Fed hybrid system.......Or just top feed several times per day

HGO

 

[Hundred Gram Oz]

Bang on the money, Dave mate!

Hello Snype ^^ Yeah I agree with you and HGO the rest period allows time for the roots to breath and draws oxygen into the media when the fertigation happens.

The more flow you able feed them in intervals will increase growth rates in that 15 ltrs instead of a 10 ltr flow rate per feeding will be noticeable in growth but also the cost of this may not equal out to twice as much bud.

The other scenario I know HGO will recommend and i'm sure Snipe is familiar with is to increase the feeds during the first few weeks of the flower period, this will benefit the extra growth.


I feel looking at the design of the MM tables that its a half way house between NFT, Drip irrigation & aeroponics. I'm not sure I would call these tables legendary..


How do you feel about these tables Krunch and what will you do to move on from this?

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Man a lot of people bashing this set up. If you don't like it don't follow the thread. Let krunch decide what he wants to do in his thread.

If you don't have anything to help him but negativity jump off the thread.

 

[Snype]

Man a lot of people bashing this set up. If you don't like it don't follow the thread. Let krunch decide what he wants to do in his thread.

If you don't have anything to help him but negativity jump off the thread.

Not sure why people come into others threads and spread negativity. Don't people have better things to do.

 

[dabking]

I've thought about converting my flood tables to this method. At least one just to see how it works out.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Man a lot of people bashing this set up. If you don't like it don't follow the thread. Let krunch decide what he wants to do in his thread.

If you don't have anything to help him but negativity jump off the thread.

if it aint DrF & DHF duking it out it's the everyone vs. medman show...
no wait
its KB's show

heartbreaking thread krunch... sorry to hear about your setbacks... I've had some setback myself lately so can def. relate to what you are going thru.
where are you going from here? gonna give the tables another try?

 

[krunchbubble]

if it aint DrF & DHF duking it out it's the everyone vs. medman show...
no wait
its KB's show

heartbreaking thread krunch... sorry to hear about your setbacks... I've had some setback myself lately so can def. relate to what you are going thru.
where are you going from here? gonna give the tables another try?

Still running the GDP table....

Converting the other table to a cococ table with the same drip system as the Med-Man table...

 

[b00m]

Keep that chin up bruz
You'll turn this around mate

 

[NewBeginnings]

I just want to first start off by saying ive been a member here for a long time, previous overgrow member ive been growing for a long time inside and outside. I never post on these forums as i prefer to read and learn as much as possible now after reading this thread i have to post..

So to begin ive grown almost every method indoors starting with soil while i was still a teenager then moving to coco, ebb and flow, dwc, rdwc etc.. My current grow is in a medman table i am at day 43 flowering now and havent had 1 single problem, im sorry things arent working out for you krunch (i know your a great grower ive seen many of your threads) So as i was saying this system has been the best system ive ran to date as far as ease and rate of the growth are concered, i followed med mans method and i owe him for putting the information out there, I know it seems sometimes he is vague in his posts but his system does work well, I've never posted any pics on here due to security reasons but i will show my grow and answer any questions in this thread if needed (I dont want to hijack krunchs thread)

 

[GreenhouseGrown]

Environment is dialed in, except for humidity swings in dark, maybe gets to 65% for a few hours. Temp is max 84 on a warm day and its raining here...

Co2 is at 1000ppm....

Water comes out at under 80ppm out of the tap...

Root zone is continuously monitored by A Tri Meter, res never got above 72 degrees...

The 72 hour darkness ive been doing for many,many years without any ill affects...

And TS's link makes me want to cry...

72 degrees in DWC and NFT (I think these tables are a type of NFT) will allow root rot to form, I've seen it happen many times. I'm just thinking the 72 hrs is too long for some plants in the root environment they are in.

I run a small amount of bleach in the res adding more every few days to keep the rot away. (easy to tell if the bleach is gone, you can't smell it when gone. Tried Hygrozyme from the hydro store guys advice and that was bullshit. Sixty dollars for dead plants.

That was outdoors in 110 degrees all summer with reservoir up to 90 during day and during the winter in an unheated greenhouse at freezing with heated reservoir at 70.

 

[Mate Dave]

Still running the GDP table....

Converting the other table to a cococ table with the same drip system as the Med-Man table...

Good choice Krunchbubble you can't go wrong with coco!

I'd recommend coco to anyone!

How many plantlets per table are you considering? What strain?

I'd recommend/suggest a layer of hydration or similar on the base of the bed to improve drainage. "Haters" Probably think I'm trying to run the show.

I'm more trying to help salvage what was a terrible misfortune which unfortunately could happen to anyone.

"I'd personally perhaps would have a top-off res and a waste reservoir allowing freshly mix'ed nutrients every feed that you can and not let them sit about for a day or two! The coco can't block the drippers that way, you also won't need drip clean or add backs and the crop usually tastes/grows better that way."

'No expended nutrients in my grows - knocking the E.C/pH up and the nutrient concentration out of balance!

"If possible every once in a while move the droppers about in beds as you can! This allows the roots time to concentrate in particular areas and fills the matt nice. Also it prevents E.C build up in the coco bed. Hand feeding with a wand or a watering can will improve this flush on a 1/2 strength feed going from Veg into Flower and every 7-10 days or when 'you' need it via a test... All this is probably unnecessary if you have a good flow rates.

Hell yeah Krunchbubble hybrid Tables!!

 

[BasementBreeder]

Stem Rot....

Pretty sure that's what happened...

Just was dissecting the plant and was able to EASILY pull the plant away from the rockwool it was originally planted into...

Didnt see any rot inside the stem, but I would assume with the stem so easily being pulled away fro the rockwool...

I run a system very similar to the MM tables (24/7 top feed in hydroton but in 1 gal bags instead of fixed in a table). I've lost an entire crop to stem rot before. The plants looked just like yours. Super wilted. But not every clone, some randomly looked great, even though they were sharing a reservoir.

It was due to me burying the clone too deeply. The next crop I only buried the rapid rooter 2/3 of the way. No issues ever since and the system continues to function great.

So don't give up on the system. It does work. You had 1 crop fail due to a foliar spray mishap. Another to user error. The system is very low maintenance once you get it going. Only takes about 30 minutes every 2 weeks (to change a res.)

 

[bombadil.360]

just to be clear, I'm not hating on the med man tables, in fact, I'm the last person on the forum to ask anything about hydro, as I have zero hydro experience...

however, the med man tables can be the best thing in the hydro world for all I know, but those 3 days of darkness in the mix, well, that can ruin a good thing pretty badly.

seeing is believing, and what we all saw is that the affected plants got seriously ill right after that crazy dark period...think about it, cold, no light and lots of running water from the hydro system, ideal environment for many things except growing cannabis.

peace

 

[topshelf_sac]

I just want to first start off by saying ive been a member here for a long time, previous overgrow member ive been growing for a long time inside and outside. I never post on these forums as i prefer to read and learn as much as possible now after reading this thread i have to post..

So to begin ive grown almost every method indoors starting with soil while i was still a teenager then moving to coco, ebb and flow, dwc, rdwc etc.. My current grow is in a medman table i am at day 43 flowering now and havent had 1 single problem, im sorry things arent working out for you krunch (i know your a great grower ive seen many of your threads) So as i was saying this system has been the best system ive ran to date as far as ease and rate of the growth are concered, i followed med mans method and i owe him for putting the information out there, I know it seems sometimes he is vague in his posts but his system does work well, I've never posted any pics on here due to security reasons but i will show my grow and answer any questions in this thread if needed (I dont want to hijack krunchs thread)

Thanks! I never wanted to be negative, I just want to see some successful examples of the tables working. I really like the idea of these tables, but when I saw Krunch have problems and Medman abandon his thread I worried about root problems. There isn't a lot of examples out there of finished medman table grows. I would love to see some pics of yours.

 

[GreenhouseGrown]

just to be clear, I'm not hating on the med man tables, in fact, I'm the last person on the forum to ask anything about hydro, as I have zero hydro experience...

however, the med man tables can be the best thing in the hydro world for all I know, but those 3 days of darkness in the mix, well, that can ruin a good thing pretty badly.

seeing is believing, and what we all saw is that the affected plants got seriously ill right after that crazy dark period...think about it, cold, no light and lots of running water from the hydro system, ideal environment for many things except growing cannabis.

peace

I agree with the darkness being the problem (in that system). I've been watching krunch's grows on here since he started on ic, krunch knows his stuff for sure. My belief is that only a potent sanitizing agent will work in a system like that, and the potential for rot at the stem was compounded by the lack of photosynthesis caused by the dark period being too long for this fast acting system. Honestly the coco grows he does are epic, watching krunch struggle with these tables just sucks.

 

[asilsweater]

how you gonna say three days darkness is the problem,have you ever tried this method,i have in soil,coco and now tables,the foliar growth and rootgrowth is incredible,plus it kick starts ur plants into flower.try it before you knock it.

 

[GreenhouseGrown]

I think the three days allowed the rockwool to stay too moist around stem and it became a breeding ground for fungus and the plants slowed photosynthesizing enough to allow the fungus to move into the stem. I've seen it before in my own NFT and DWC systems.

 

[DrFever]

I agree with the darkness being the problem (in that system). I've been watching krunch's grows on here since he started on ic, krunch knows his stuff for sure. My belief is that only a potent sanitizing agent will work in a system like that, and the potential for rot at the stem was compounded by the lack of photosynthesis caused by the dark period being too long for this fast acting system. Honestly the coco grows he does are epic, watching krunch struggle with these tables just sucks.

I don't have the time or patients to read from start to finish on threads i found half way or 200 pages long lol
Krunch to me is a pretty cool camper tho haha IMO its like a person wanting a dog one must choose if its gong to be a inside dog or outside dog ,,, a guard dog or a family pet you can not have both its one or the other
IMO its not just the dark cycle its compounded issues from running i guess organic then switching to Chem again i think its like i said choose one or other not both
Organics has its place in the horticulture world ,, i am probably going to get flamed for posting this hahaha what else is new IMO there is no place for organics in any type of system like this or similar DWC ,RDWC etc its 100 percent Chem all the way cause of the Stupid FAST growth rates ,