Lil' Brodhi
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Never tried it before but I'm very interested in kick starting flowering. How many days are you shaving off of your flowering period with this method?
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Never tried it before but I'm very interested in kick starting flowering. How many days are you shaving off of your flowering period with this method?
GreenhouseGrown
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I don't have the time or patients to read from start to finish on threads i found half way or 200 pages long lol
Krunch to me is a pretty cool camper tho haha IMO its like a person wanting a dog one must choose if its gong to be a inside dog or outside dog ,,, a guard dog or a family pet you can not have both its one or the other
IMO its not just the dark cycle its compounded issues from running i guess organic then switching to Chem again i think its like i said choose one or other not both
Organics has its place in the horticulture world ,, i am probably going to get flamed for posting this hahaha what else is newIMO there is no place for organics in any type of system like this or similar DWC ,RDWC etc its 100 percent Chem all the way cause of the Stupid FAST growth rates ,
Yes multiple reasons. Your analogy is somewhat accurate, I agree with the organics being particular in hydro. That's why I commented on the bleach, even with organic nutrients it will work if kept sterile. You won't get the benefits of the bacteria and fungi but it does work. I won't use organics with enzymes, bacteria, fungi, or anything else.
Chem is the way to have a healthy problem free grow without the buffering capabilities of peat or coco. I have been using guano that is sterilized and broken down using phosphoric acid with success, but only in flowering (for the flavor) along with chems and bleach.
I don't like using bleach but it makes the difference between live plants and dead ones. After trying voodoo juice at over $100 a bottle and hygrozyme at $60 a bottle, a bottle lasts me about a week or two and h2o2 which dissipates overnight and still having dead plants, I have been using bleach at $1 a bottle lasts a year and have live plants ever since.
Most of what I do is outdoors in a greenhouse that is unheated in winter except for the res at 70 with air temps near freezing and in summer with 110+ air temps and 90 degree res temps.
asilsweater
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GreenhouseGrown
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Can't we just let krunch get on with the show he still got a table running
You know what might make this system better, if you had a constant flow over the base of the table for NFT but at the same time have several feeds from the top. This way you get the best of both worlds...NFT/Top Fed hybrid system.......Or just top feed several times per day
HGO
When I saw it I kind of thought the same thing. Maybe even a little deeper on the water level and add some air stones? At what point nft turns into dwc I don't know though. Did it turn out that the water fall effect oxygenates enough? I remember some rdwc mod usingn a waterfall, seems like the water tumbling into the res constantly here would have that effect.
What Med-Man and the people who don't understand hydro are missing...
is the reason this system is a hybrid attempt at fixing what they don't understand about hydro. It's actually quite humorous from where I'm sitting.
The 3 days of dark is a huge fail from a mycology point of view. GreenhouseGrown is correct there. 24 hours I've noticed works well... 72? That's excessive and pushing dangerous conditions.
There's no need to use this method when safer ways to grow hydro exist. I prefer lazy rock solid over finicky dangerous.
is the reason this system is a hybrid attempt at fixing what they don't understand about hydro. It's actually quite humorous from where I'm sitting.
The 3 days of dark is a huge fail from a mycology point of view. GreenhouseGrown is correct there. 24 hours I've noticed works well... 72? That's excessive and pushing dangerous conditions.
There's no need to use this method when safer ways to grow hydro exist. I prefer lazy rock solid over finicky dangerous.
ROTFLMAO!!!
Wow, missed that juicy little tidbit before. "Shock Ripen"
That was hashed out on OG/CW over 10 years ago. Yes, one day (because you're not stupid) you'll figure out why I'm laughing so hard. You really need to get over yourself, a lot of your 'info' is flawed and you're unaware of it.
This is the second instance of 'results' you're observing that are based on a flawed education of cannabis and cultivation. In other words, what you're attributing to in your 'methods' as the reasons for your 'results'... are incorrect or only partially correct.
You're building an awfully big wall to topple from, thought I'd let ya know. Hope you have a really hard shell.
Miraculous Meds
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ROTFLMAO!!!
Wow, missed that juicy little tidbit before. "Shock Ripen"
Yes, one day (because you're not stupid) you'll figure out why I'm laughing so hard. You really need to get over yourself, a lot of your 'info' is flawed and you're unaware of it.
This is the second instance of 'results' you're observing that are based on a flawed education of cannabis and cultivation. In other words, what you're attributing to in your 'methods' as the reasons for your 'results'... are incorrect or only partially correct.
You're building an awfully big wall to topple from, thought I'd let ya know. Hope you have a really hard shell.
Why u gotta be a dick. The guy is just trying to help, and im pretty sure that doing this wont hurt anything, even if there is little or no benefit. Why not offer details of why or why not it works, instead of just being a dick.
Because it's more effective than just laying out the info. Seriously.
This guy is posting up information that will cause a lot of growers to lose a LOT of harvests while they try to get this right.
I've been doing hydro for over a decade and this setup is pure bullshit. So much crap it's unreal.
Why I gotta be a dick? 'Cause I've spent over 6 years passing on some of the best info I've dug up regarding hydro and people talk about this shit?
It's a bastardized way to grow a fucking weed and I'm tired of people fucking over newbies who don't have the information to call it out themselves.
That's why.
Sitting here watching almost everyone fuck up this "Cannbis Growing" thing is just so irritating it's unreal. Nobody listens to me though so I'm done trying to 'splain. lol Just pointing out the b.s. when I see it now.
You have a couple folks still posting good info here, find em and read everything they've posted. Med-Man ain't where it's at, sorry.
^^
Lol when do you think that you can apply that 72 hours 'Rule' to pull and harvest the plants? @ week 6 Med-Man!
Usually my plants finish off when they finish, it's dependent on many things I do put them into the dark but not for that reason and don't think if speeds anything up at all. I know it don't, since your a breeder what genetic have you isolated that enabled you to speed grow LOL!
Lol when do you think that you can apply that 72 hours 'Rule' to pull and harvest the plants? @ week 6 Med-Man!
Usually my plants finish off when they finish, it's dependent on many things I do put them into the dark but not for that reason and don't think if speeds anything up at all. I know it don't, since your a breeder what genetic have you isolated that enabled you to speed grow LOL!
growteam
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Wow you and I think alike. I use bleach too and Ive used sterile guano for flavor too.
I use .5ml / gallon of the Great Value Ultra OR Chlorox Concentrated. Fatman suggested I use about 1ml/gallon years ago but Ive found the .5ml/gallon has prevented any problems really well.
Miraculous Meds
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I thought bleach was to be used at a much less dosage than that? I thought the target was 1 ppm or so and 2 ppm if u have a existing problem. So 1 ml in 22gallons for 2ppm, or something like that. Ur dosage is quite a bit stronger. U don't have problems at that dosage huh? that's 10ml in 20 gallons then right? Wow I think that's way too much, id like to here KB or other experienced folks chime in?
growteam
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No problems. And thats the concentrated bleach not the regular. Ive used too much and what I noticed was the plants drooped. Here is an email I pulled up from fatman back when I was asking him about it.
"Assuming your talking about Chlorox brand Ultra bleach you are getting 6.15% of sodium chloride so 5.84% available chlorine ( as 95% of the Sodium chloride becomes free chlorine).
I am pretty sure you do not really wish to see the math involved so I will just tell you the results of the math. For 2.4 ppm of chlorine in your 25 gallons you would use roughly 38 ml.
A warning however, Many fabric whitening companies sell an ultra whitener for laundry use which is chlorine free. It contains hydrogen peroxide rather than sodium chloride.
fm"
I replied and asked about concentrated bleach and this was the reply.
The Walmart Great Value regular bleach contains 6% sodium hypochlorite versus Chlorox at 6.15% . The Great Value Ultra contains 9% and Chlorox Concentrated contains 9%. So if you use the Ultra or Concentrated simply use 1/3 less. The difference between 6% and 6.15% is negligible.
fm
I ended up settling at .5ml/gallon. Which is lower than what he suggested to me.
"Assuming your talking about Chlorox brand Ultra bleach you are getting 6.15% of sodium chloride so 5.84% available chlorine ( as 95% of the Sodium chloride becomes free chlorine).
I am pretty sure you do not really wish to see the math involved so I will just tell you the results of the math. For 2.4 ppm of chlorine in your 25 gallons you would use roughly 38 ml.
A warning however, Many fabric whitening companies sell an ultra whitener for laundry use which is chlorine free. It contains hydrogen peroxide rather than sodium chloride.
fm"
I replied and asked about concentrated bleach and this was the reply.
The Walmart Great Value regular bleach contains 6% sodium hypochlorite versus Chlorox at 6.15% . The Great Value Ultra contains 9% and Chlorox Concentrated contains 9%. So if you use the Ultra or Concentrated simply use 1/3 less. The difference between 6% and 6.15% is negligible.
fm
I ended up settling at .5ml/gallon. Which is lower than what he suggested to me.
growteam
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Sorry I hate that I can't edit. I used this in DWC.
Two problems I observed and attributed to using too much bleach was
1) plants drooped and eventually died. However if I quickly removed the nutrient solution from the bucket and replaced it with a no bleach solution the plants could recover. But when I didnt get to it in time I have killed them.
2) I noticed later in flower some varieties seemed to whiten form the bleach. I felt that maybe there was a sensitivity later in flower to the bleach. Hard to say I never played around with it much.
At .5ml/gallon I never experienced any of the above problems. And thats the concentrated stuff not regular.
Two problems I observed and attributed to using too much bleach was
1) plants drooped and eventually died. However if I quickly removed the nutrient solution from the bucket and replaced it with a no bleach solution the plants could recover. But when I didnt get to it in time I have killed them.
2) I noticed later in flower some varieties seemed to whiten form the bleach. I felt that maybe there was a sensitivity later in flower to the bleach. Hard to say I never played around with it much.
At .5ml/gallon I never experienced any of the above problems. And thats the concentrated stuff not regular.
GreenhouseGrown
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This is something I've realized recently, that clorox is now concentrated. My water blooms bacteria overnight just from sitting so lately I actually just toss some in but it sometimes smells like a swimming pool lol. I think I'll start measuring...
growteam
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