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InjectTruth

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Thanks, NPK. I have that thread bookmarked but havent given it a thorough read yet. I was just thinking for myself, I cant see needing that much CS for these purposes, and I know one bottle is definitely less than $35. I guess I'll need to check that link for how much CS is needed per applications, how many applications are needed, etc, before I can know which option is better for the one time experimenter.

My logic is that there has to be at least 30 pills in a $10 - 20 bottle of CS. Would you really need to use more than one capsule, dissolved into your average sprayer bottle to acheive the desired effects per cycle?

Im sure if you have a large need, or are impressed by your initial results so much that you decide to adopt the practice, then generating your own is obviously the best option. But for the hobbyist who may only do it once or twice? Besides, you can always just take the CS your self if you decide to make your own generator. Bubble hash ramblings.......
 

NPK

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To tell you the truth, IT, I haven't made any feminized seeds yet (though I'll be experimenting in the coming weeks and months). I'm impressed with the ease and simplicity of the device pictured above, and also like the fact that you can use it to make as much colloidal silver solution as you could ever want for pretty the remainder of your life. :biglaugh: The process sounds very easy, and others have done it with great results. I haven't read of anyone making CS by dissolving capsules in distilled water...doesn't mean it wouldn't work, but I'm willing to stake $35 on a method that's already been proven to be effective.

The only thing I had to purchase for my generator was a couple hunks of .999 pure silver. I had everything else on hand already. Check out that thread (and others with "colloidal" in the title) for more information.
 

Julian

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Just stopping in....will catch up another time when I have a chance........very interesting and significant week for me.......(For those who know the market......the whole ETrade thing?.:smoke:..I shorted it all the way down(from $25 and bought to cover at close of about $3.60 throwing all back in daily) and went long up with absolutely everything I had behind it..(When I covered I went long at about $3.50, sold out this morning at around $6...) :smoke:...Was doing good but last couple days just put me over the top....little overwhelmed in general this week......

I'll be back around when I sit down again......

Edit: I'll throw in a chart or two next time and a commentary on investing.........this event was a prime example of opportunities that one comes across....firstly, all was triggered by a single analysts commentary......billions were lost....but........right mindset?.....I'm debating sending the guy a new car as a gift :biglaugh:

Such is the market........a single idiot makes a comment and billions are lost.....

The Stock Market is an illogical, irrational,hysterical woman :biglaugh:.......and should always be treated as such.....:smoke:......

I'll throw some stuff in next time for those who invest, etc....prime example of opportunity.......how they are displayed......etc.....

In the meantime....hope all is well, glad everyones in, and I'll be back around when I get a chance.....next time I get a free minute/take a breath........but, going back to commentary......money to make money........I spend?.....and I'm right back to trading capital I had last month.....so.........always have to be smart....and, sometimes, very, very, very hard to be disciplined.....
 
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marto

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Way ta go julian. But 8 figures is a billion, not what you meant i'm sure. Hope i'm wrong. I didnt see any movers with that range. Can ya give us the ticker, pretty please. Probly poised to do a deadcat bounce tomorrow.
 

Wolff

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Julian, I've been following this thread off and on for some time. I love the angle at wich you look at this whole "game". Great perspective on things and inspiring to say the least for someone starting out. :respect: Back to this past season for you. I am very impressed with the Maroc and am going to be giving it a go for sure this next year. Most likely the Pure Power Plant and maybe Purple Power too.

I have a friend who is kind enough to let me utilize some space in his basement and I am getting one or two 8 bulb flourescent fixtures that are 4'x2' roughly. Now I have never cloned and am intending on reading as much as possible on the subject. How many clones would you typically be able to get off a mom vegged for 2-3 weeks. Do you keep your moms and clones under continuos light? I am trying to put out maybe 4-500 plants...more??? Two fixtures? and am trying to do it in roughly a month or so. Also can't thank you enough for shedding light on the where, when, however concept and the way you run rows and double rows is really great. For some reason and for some time I couldn't get my brain around single plots with 20-30 or more plants bunched together. :bashhead:

Also very inspiring on your no maintainence work. I know I have read in here what your dry mix consists of(to an extent) and you use what you got on hand and can pickup as needed due to time constraints but please can you put your finger on the specific ingredients that I can mix up and load into my backpack. I know I need water crystals wich I can get and what are the nutrients/minerals you specifically look for in aqcuiring your dry mix? :chin:

I also like how you adressed the ways people learn and I think you've done a great job putting info out that the majority of people will be able to easily digest and make good use of. :yes:

idk if you have mentioned it here but after you drop your supllies onsite. Owning a on/off road motorcycle is an excellent way of getting back to your site without having to park and worry about your car. Again I havn't read the entire thread and maybe you've already adressed that aspect of getting to sites with minimum exposure/risk.
 

Fast_Pine

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Julian said:
Just stopping in....will catch up another time when I have a chance........very interesting and significant week for me.......(For those who know the market......the whole ETrade thing?.:smoke:..I shorted it all the way down(from $25 and bought to cover at close of about $3.60 throwing all back in daily) and went long up with absolutely everything I had behind it..(When I covered I went long at about $3.50, sold out this morning at around $6...) :smoke:...Was doing good but last couple days just put me over the top....little overwhelmed in general this week.......(We're talking 7 figures......)

I'll be back around when I sit down again......

Edit: I'll throw in a chart or two next time and a commentary on investing.........this event was a prime example of opportunities that one comes across....firstly, all was triggered by a single analysts commentary......billions were lost....but........right mindset?.....I'm debating sending the guy a new car as a gift :biglaugh:

Such is the market........a single idiot makes a comment and billions are lost.....

The Stock Market is an illogical, irrational,hysterical woman :biglaugh:.......and should always be treated as such.....:smoke:......

I'll throw some stuff in next time for those who invest, etc....prime example of opportunity.......how they are displayed......etc.....

In the meantime....hope all is well, glad everyones in, and I'll be back around when I get a chance.....next time I get a free minute/take a breath.....(Trying to fight the urge to go buy a little something..just something small for myself (like an island in Bahamas :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:)...but, going back to commentary......money to make money....my daily trading power is now 8 figures....I spend?.....and I'm right back to trading capital I had last month.....so.........always have to be smart....and, sometimes, very, very, very hard to be disciplined.....
Jjjeeeeeeezzuuus!
 

Julian

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NPK said:
one could grow a shocking amount of weed. I am very attracted by the idea of making up big batches of feminized seed, germing 'em in a little Jiffy greenhouse kind of thing, and putting 'em out at a relatively small size (6-8") because you could transport so many at that size.
Well.....you see above, I mean, my prep areas are not large....etc, etc all.....500 in 4 x 4 I put for various reasons...

Since they go out asap, cuts down lighting needs, etc...(more coverage when they are small, again, reference to the 500 in 4 x 4 area....so.....) bigger is nice but you want them out asap and they need time to settle in, etc...so.....I used to hold things to get larger but figured what was the point...out growth would be faster anyway (and, as you said, of course, transport issues, etc......)
with females. The above is a one-foot square Jiffy greenhouse that holds up to 25 seedlings (currently 13 C99s). You could easily pack six or eight of those mini greenhouses in an ice chest and go about your business in a fairly compact manner: maybe tools and amendments in a backpack?
I didn't see pics, etc, didn't show up for me, but, yeah....I do one prioject where we go out on boats to spots, and, pack them in coolers...small can get 100 in a large cooler, etc, at a time.....earlier for city..., ****...I walk down street with a couple bags full (bout 25 per wal mart plastic bag.....)

Now, another aspect of course mentioned and why I do what I do......(early, small, before rains, etc), is, when smaller, rains coming, etc....for the no aintenance essentially I mean.....I just do my mix in a bag or 2..(nutes, crystals, anything else I want to throw in........hand spade....very small, very compact, very simple, very quick...ya know? :smoke:
No, it's not hard to imagine that at all. In fact, when you can generate your own female pollen (and thus female seed) with a device like this:

which costs around $35 and five minutes to make--well, then, the idea gets pretty exciting. You just need to plan far enough ahead to include a seed crop into your calendar. I just realized that actually puts a person who'd like to do an early-season mini from fem seed somewhat behind schedule. You'd have plenty in time for a late-season mini, though.
I actually started working in a fem batch before I got recently sidetracked :biglaugh:Truly simple......most people have spare ones laying around....hit local place, find a pawn shop, etc, and, your ready to go in 24hrs....





pakalolo420 said:
Just wanted to chime in that I currently have my crop hanging a la Julian and I've gotta say it looks great. None of the things like mold I was afraid of ever happened and it's drying in spite of some significant rain during the hang.

It works.

It works?? :biglaugh:.......despite the rainnnnnnnnnnn??? :smoke:

What? You think I was kidding? :biglaugh:.....

:smoke:

Glad all is well, and, especially glad you got a chance to see finished product on that :smoke:......No other way man, no other way, and, glad you experienced some weather during.......for a little sensitivity exposure :smoke:

Superior product, superior safety,...highest degree of efficiency......

That's how we roll man :smoke:......

Glad all is well man......glad to hear.....




buzzy said:
Yeah, living in the UK (hence a LOT of rain), i was a little skeptical about the benefits of an outdoor hang. I see now that it it the way to go...

Nah, if done right rain is completely a non issue......your hanging semi covered./covered spots, then of course upside down, so, even if some gets it most will just run off fan leaves..(think shingles)....and, again, if circulation....again, aids with that.......lot of other factors....temps.....weather.....spots...wind, etc, but, most of the time quite a different process than most initially believe.......

As above...seems to suit nice dense solid things best...the lighter and fluffier you go the more variables come into play..(dry quicker, more compression problems when packing, etc.....)


Ganico said:
I can't even imagine 8 figures.

Trading power into 8.....not 8 profit..(****, I wish...you'd never hear from me again :biglaugh:).....I made about 2.5 or so.....which is far, far, far beyond what I have ever made before in such a short period..(for the most part, have never missed a single minute, of a single trading day in several years, so.......was not as "easy" as it sounds, and, ****in drained me man.......big time....basically haven't slept since last Friday (was hoping to last night, today, but, didn't work out that way....maybe tonight/tomorrow catch up on some sleep........When I say "I threw everything behind it"........I'm talking everything.....as in transfers in...tapping lines, etc......could have gone against me, but,turns out I was correct (I usually am with these matters :smoke:....)

Nah man.......

I've decided to do nothing for now...just proceed as usual....actually, now have to change style yet again due to moving larger amounts...etc.....(have to buy different, sell different, accumulate different, etc, sometimes change stocks.....ie: You can't trade 500,000 shares on something with a daily volume of 5-10mm, etc.....so....but,anyone who plays knows that the volume for this was huge..(as in ****in huge....as in, this week....volume for that was probably cumulative 1 billion shares exchanged....

(And, every one for the past part streaming and you have to keep your eye on em:biglaugh:.....)

Here's the last couple months.., and,here's this weeks.....




Wolff said:
Julian, I've been following this thread off and on for some time. I love the angle at wich you look at this whole "game". Great perspective on things and inspiring to say the least for someone starting out. Back to this past season for you. I am very impressed with the Maroc and am going to be giving it a go for sure this next year. Most likely the Pure Power Plant and maybe Purple Power too.
Very kind of you to say..........

I found both impressive, and, will run them both again should I do future batches.....

Power plant actually has become my favorite....(wouldn't call it "mild"....pretty potent, but, overall...taste...quality of high, etc...suits me best in day to day behavior....doesn't make me tired....actually, "wires" me out....doesn't make me hungry, at all, in the least.......could smoke cigarettes and PP for a week, no sleep, not eat, etc...(just did :biglaugh:...wires me out..(but, not in a crazy way....lot of energy...but, no paranoia....etc.....I like it...my personal favorite currently......
I have a friend who is kind enough to let me utilize some space in his basement and I am getting one or two 8 bulb flourescent fixtures that are 4'x2' roughly. Now I have never cloned and am intending on reading as much as possible on the subject. How many clones would you typically be able to get off a mom vegged for 2-3 weeks. Do you keep your moms and clones under continuos light? I am trying to put out maybe 4-500 plants...more??? Two fixtures? and am trying to do it in roughly a month or so. Also can't thank you enough for shedding light on the where, when, however concept and the way you run rows and double rows is really great. For some reason and for some time I couldn't get my brain around single plots with 20-30 or more plants bunched together.
Well, first ..."rows" when I say them only means single file planted....not in a "row" pattern, etc, but, staggered, etc....(so, if one looked down a "row"....they would not see a single file straight line, as much as them worked in along the way, etc.....

Well, cloning?.......for some hard, for some easy....I think most make too much out of it...I do low tech for 100% success,so......in volume.....

Moms?...I wouldn't know...I veg pretty long when I run moms to shave, so.....I get about 200 or so from 3-4ft bushes...(I use whole plant, nothing left, etc)....
Also very inspiring on your no maintainence work. I know I have read in here what your dry mix consists of(to an extent) and you use what you got on hand and can pickup as needed due to time constraints but please can you put your finger on the specific ingredients that I can mix up and load into my backpack. I know I need water crystals wich I can get and what are the nutrients/minerals you specifically look for in aqcuiring your dry mix?
Well, I do all mixes basically to start when I shop.....then, list is revised (if I see I have more of one thing or less of another, then, again revised when mixed on site, so......another reason I do that is I'm obsessed with micro's, so....(which is what we need of course, and separates our needs from most off the shelf mixes......)

I mean, you start with what you can afford and go from there....sometimes I get deals on a pre mix, but, then will alter that as I see fit depending on what I have on hand also...so....
idk if you have mentioned it here but after you drop your supllies onsite. Owning a on/off road motorcycle is an excellent way of getting back to your site without having to park and worry about your car. Again I havn't read the entire thread and maybe you've already adressed that aspect of getting to sites with minimum exposure/risk.
Addressed, and, varies a little week to week and op to op......who's around and who's not, what has to be done, etc.......sometimes pre mixed also off site, all depends man......(This yr I premixed a lot off site so just had those to bring in, with drill, etc.....sometimes even some left at spots (large rubbermaid containers) if we were going to plant more in the spot, etc, so less to carry next time....sometimes trucks...sometimes ATV's.....lot of variables for a lot of spots......

Current/Last larger location done now....as in forever, so....everything will change yet again depending on next op...(if I do one......)




Fast_Pine said:
Jjjeeeeeeezzuuus!

****in tell me about it brother :smoke::biglaugh: Just as incredible for me as anyone else man......

What is more important..:smoke:, and what is better, is that your in safe..:smoke:....Glad all is well, glad your in.....glad your safe......

You won :smoke:

(And god knows you had a little more on your plate this year than you should :smoke:.....Glad all is well my friend...sincerely....)
 

Julian

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NPK said:
I just realized that actually puts a person who'd like to do an early-season mini from fem seed somewhat behind schedule. You'd have plenty in time for a late-season mini, though.
Not necessarily...be cutting it close though (Say start Dec 1st and finish March?....with a hundred variables (veg time, seed/clones, etc, etc).....would have to do right now or shortly to squeeze in though.....if I was going to run one :smoke:, I would say deadline is April 1st (see, working backwards :smoke:)....so, April 1st, minus let's assume 60 days more or less for flower, puts us at last week of Jan as deadline to flip down, which gives us right now 70 days veg....(again, could be altered any number of ways...I would just do a 12/12 from seed and do some numbers and flip down as soon as sexed, etc....)
 

NPK

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500 in 4 x 4 I put for various reasons...

Since they go out asap, cuts down lighting needs, etc...(more coverage when they are small, again, reference to the 500 in 4 x 4 area....so.....)

Actually, I just recently took a bunch of clones and snipped a couple of tiny ones--like less than 3" tall. Seeing nice roots on 'em and kinda like the idea of using tiny clones in the interests of size control and easy transit. What's the smallest clone you've worked with, Julian?

Not necessarily...be cutting it close though (Say start Dec 1st and finish March?....with a hundred variables (veg time, seed/clones, etc, etc).....would have to do right now or shortly to squeeze in though.....if I was going to run one , I would say deadline is April 1st (see, working backwards )....so, April 1st, minus let's assume 60 days more or less for flower, puts us at last week of Jan as deadline to flip down, which gives us right now 70 days veg....(again, could be altered any number of ways...I would just do a 12/12 from seed and do some numbers and flip down as soon as sexed, etc....)

It'd likely be a little tight for me because, assuming the same mild winter we had last year occurs this year, my outdoor would begin at the end of February. No reason I couldn't do another slightly later round though...:chin: And definitely a late round.

But yeah, I need to start pronto. I made up a batch of "silver juice" a couple of nights ago, and it was about the easiest damned DIY I've ever done. Just stuck the silver bars into a Pyrex bowl of distilled water, taped the wires down on the sides of the bowl, plugged the adapter end in, and got a pint of solution (and a slightly silverplated receptacle) the next day. :biglaugh: Here it is--can you see the pic this time?

colloidalsilver.jpg


I have a bunch of well-rooted Hindu Skunk clones, and am going to dunk one of them completely in the silver solution when I plant them. That guy Goldking says he starts spraying or dunking his plants about two weeks before flipping to 12/12. I'm a little worried there might be some hermie issues if I use the female pollen on sister clones of the same strain (all I have going right now other than the C99 seedlings). Might just have to hold on to the pollen until I've identified some female C99s.

One more question Julian, if you're still reading: how big do your seed plants from 12/12 end up? I know a host of variables come into play, but generally speaking, do you think it's a good way to control the size of your plants? 'Cause I don't want any trees if I can help it.
 

irish

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npk,
the female pollen you are creating is not a normal stress induced pollen, such as light or environment, so no need to worry on using the pollen on other sisters or even to a clone of the stressed one.

the hermie is usually an expression of survival and environment, so breeding for it by using light stress or nute stress, etc will encourage (pass on to) offspring to be easily stressed or triggered...

since you are stressing them with a different chemical type of trigger, you should not have too much worry in what happens, as long as the mother is fairly stable/sturdy.

will be trying your "generator" out here myself soon. thanks.
 

NPK

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Hey Irish, thanks for the info. I'm a complete newb at the whole seedmaking thing, so this is useful...and it puts me a little farther ahead of the game in terms of my outdoor schedule than I would be if I had to wait on the C99s.

And yeah, the colloidal silver generator is cheap and EASY to make. My pics aren't the best--you might want to take a look at PhenoMenal's thread for better ones. It's a no-brainer to put together, in any case.

Luck to you!
 

irish

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no thanks needed, just exchanging info for info, brother.
that pic you posted of the generator was more informative than any post i could have searched an hour for (an might not have found ;))
 

Julian

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NPK said:
Actually, I just recently took a bunch of clones and snipped a couple of tiny ones--like less than 3" tall. Seeing nice roots on 'em and kinda like the idea of using tiny clones in the interests of size control and easy transit. What's the smallest clone you've worked with, Julian?
Honestly?....that's not too small at all....I work quite often with ones much smaller than that (after they're inserted, some might be 1", etc.....) Like I said...I use entire plant, so.....I mean here's some 2-3" ers, and, as you see, "small", but, not "tiny"... (Not sure if right pic....from 1st post in thread.......)

(And, yeah, I know little burn here and there.......I push until right point then pull back, etc.....you have to remember most early veg I do clones or seedlings I am already running nutes and they're like 12" or so under 1k's.....which, btw, I would NOT recommend to anyone....play it safe until your comfort and experience level is there to control everything....very easy to slip up........this aspect I'd say be careful........(although not germing close....I see a lot of people who actually say, once again, it's "impossible" :biglaugh:, not by a long shot...issue is not the light,(intensity) it's the temps.....

(note: in case people wonder how that works out....that's why I use floor for all trays...(heat, rises, etc...I keep all trays on the floor and fans and cooler and no heat build up like at higher levels in rooms, so...starts?...I always put all trays on floor, but, lights hung typical (note: have to watch your cables....more stress created on them this way...etc....)
It'd likely be a little tight for me because, assuming the same mild winter we had last year occurs this year, my outdoor would begin at the end of February. No reason I couldn't do another slightly later round though...:chin: And definitely a late round.
I know, I figured you were region that allows earlier.......you know...I expand on things....
But yeah, I need to start pronto. I made up a batch of "silver juice" a couple of nights ago, and it was about the easiest damned DIY I've ever done. Just stuck the silver bars into a Pyrex bowl of distilled water, taped the wires down on the sides of the bowl, plugged the adapter end in, and got a pint of solution (and a slightly silverplated receptacle) the next day. :biglaugh: Here it is--can you see the pic this time?
Yeah, definitely tighter schedule......you know.....you start at finish point and work your schedule backwards, so.......if your on it....you got it man........I wanted to get a run done but schedule all ****ed up lately......(plus, a little earlier than usual thinking of dumping all ps accumulated.......when I'm rolling one at 7:30am, well, that's the sign I'm smoking wayyyy too much :biglaugh: (granted, the trading stress, so..."compensating factors" I suppose :biglaugh:.....)
I have a bunch of well-rooted Hindu Skunk clones, and am going to dunk one of them completely in the silver solution when I plant them. That guy Goldking says he starts spraying or dunking his plants about two weeks before flipping to 12/12. I'm a little worried there might be some hermie issues if I use the female pollen on sister clones of the same strain (all I have going right now other than the C99 seedlings). Might just have to hold on to the pollen until I've identified some female C99s.

One more question Julian, if you're still reading: how big do your seed plants from 12/12 end up? I know a host of variables come into play, but generally speaking, do you think it's a good way to control the size of your plants? 'Cause I don't want any trees if I can help it.
Yeah, you know, breeding not my area of expertise, so, know in passing about such issues.....(stability, incompatibility, undesirable traits,etc...) .what I usually do...I just double check things curious about over couple sites, etc......

Well, 12/12 question, strain and other dependent, of course...from strain through every other aspect....no holes/straight in will keep them smaller (yield also), as will no maintenance or tended, as will, of course strain....indica dom/sativa dom, etc.,...12/12 thread was good I thought in that it gave a lot of samples....you know, you have one guy doing SSH from seed and ending up with 5 footers (indoors), so.........I get 2-4 footers, etc, you can also fim/top, etc, etc, so.....you know....endless variables.....

I had one spot this year which I topped a lot of late ones, and, really liked how they ended up (in that specific spot, etc).....

Of course, talking in and out two different animals (as far as late, smaller....) because of course in the flip is more controlled, when, out, your really just "estimating" the trigger, ya know?....sometimes close, ....so...sometimes a little larger, sometimes a little smaller, and, sometimes, they turn out "just right" :smoke:....That's what I was saying earlier in thread with someone about if your working with same strain easier to controlk....can stagger the plantings so, for future reference, you know best times and how they will end up (I do a lot of first runs and try a lot of stuff, so...sometimes right on the money and other times not....so...(or example, I ran those Marocs and PP's for first time, so, now, some exposure working with them and have an idea as to what to expect as far as growth, performance, etc....so...I did also shave a couple and run some clones of them, later, smaller, etc, so.......ran some in holes, ran some without holes, different spots, etc, so...you know what I mean.......so....when doing something you've worked with before it's all much easier to time them out, so......
 

Wolff

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Hey Julian, Still trying to catch up on my reading so I hope my questions aren't too redundant as far as this threads concerned. You run everything 24/0 in veg does that also mean your clones stay in that regiment of 24/0 I'm assuming? Also when going from 24/0 to plot say 4-5 hour trip to the boonies or at night time how has this affected your plants as far as triggering early and hermie's? just wondering how that stresses them. How long after shaving your clones to when you actually put them out? A week after rooting? How about hardening off? Do you expose all your clones to any light or just rely on rain to sheild them from the intense sun long enough for them too grab? Seeing as how delicate they can be at that stage. Thanks for the help brother :joint:
 

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Wolff said:
Hey Julian, Still trying to catch up on my reading so I hope my questions aren't too redundant as far as this threads concerned.
They are, but, wtf, it's a holiday ...:smoke::biglaugh: Not for me :biglaugh:, but, nevertheless....
You run everything 24/0 in veg does that also mean your clones stay in that regiment of 24/0 I'm assuming?
In short, yes, I do everything 24-0. Seed/clone varies per project, time of year, etc. I never do anything the same. Each batch is different place different methods...whatever is called for (or I deem fit, etc....or, just feel when I wake up that day :biglaugh:...:smoke:

Also when going from 24/0 to plot say 4-5 hour trip to the boonies or at night time how has this affected your plants as far as triggering early and hermie's?
Good topic........

You know, believe it, I am a ****in retard sometimes as far as "babying" goes...and, sometimes, have to catch myself :biglaugh:

No.....trunk (dark) for 3-5hrs never a problem, night never a problem, and, as earlier in thread (city plots, streetlights, trains passing constantly, etc).....no light poisoning ever......(whatever the phrase....light cycle disruption(s)......

Now....the other thing, and, another reason why I love the pots(peat pots) is along those lines......essentially 0 transplant shock, etc......nothing is disturbed, etc..(again....sometimes a little retarded because many do on site, and, I have occasionally dug things up (severing roots in process), and, everything was fine.......Really...I mean....I think we all tend to dramatically underestimate it's strength...vigor...etc.....

On a similar note (hermies, etc).....in running enormous amounts of fem seed, have had very little problems overall.....

(And I do "assembly line" prep/veg, so....large amounts...not really any problems...an occasional surprise (like those Marocs this year......still don't know what to make of that, but, almost certain they are not that early.....)
just wondering how that stresses them.
Not at all it appears.........in the least....
How long after shaving your clones to when you actually put them out?
Well, there's a pic or so in first post regarding the clones, and, not a simple answer because depends on the when and where.......

I do them in plugs, and, usually, by the time I get to them, really, there's not much of the plug left :biglaugh: (literally.....roots are 2-3 times larger than plug......one thing I wish I had a pic of for explanations sake...had one under last handle.........plus, then, again,m they go under the 1k's, extremely close.....There's also another here who goes from floro's to out......so....

If I am going late...if weather unusually brutal, I might try to lay them somewhere a little.....but, again, depends on where and what veg center is...but, typically, to about July they go straight out from close under 1k's....

(Now, as above, I do shoot /target is for rain, so, brings overcast, etc, but, not always the case...(ie: sometimes I will start getting them out if a lot that round several days before.....those might get watered also if I feel rain not close enough, so.....
A week after rooting? How about hardening off? Do you expose all your clones to any light or just rely on rain to sheild them from the intense sun long enough for them too grab? Seeing as how delicate they can be at that stage. Thanks for the help brother :joint:
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Well..again....roots are busting out before I even deem them "ready" to go under the 1k's...so.........ie: lot of people wait for minute they are rooted...I don't....sometimes I let them go a little longer (maybe 4 days,5 days, etc.....different between a couple roots coming out and completely busting out of the plugs...:smoke: (really wish I had pic....it's very cool actually :smoke:.....)

That's another one of those things where I do what I do, but, to someone newer would recommend hitting them with a little sun beforehand, etc......can even be on ground by window(s) on sunny day, right exposure, etc.....but, I usually don't...only when late and weather is absolutely brutal......(as above...you get to late July and August , and, some places is a straight up nightmare (weather wise....extreme temps, brutal sun, etc...)

BUT..........

Again lies a lot with moisture......especially when running things small and late...your initial moisture can make it or break it..(when planted out late and small)......2 days dry can kill em all off, etc....so......why the small and late ones, the start is such an issue....but, after they grab?.....usually home free......

(Earlier....I lost one city patch...only one I didn't have crystals.....other spots done around same time were absolutely fine and made it through...one spot without was fried in days...(which again relates to summer forecasts.....keeping an eye on them , etc.....systems can develop and dissipate in the blink of an eye, so, today might call for rain for 3 days next week....tomorrow, forecast might say rain next 2 days and no rain next week...so...and, at any given time could be wrong anyway (non rain tomorrow.......)

Key is them being established and the moisture though.......more they are established, adequate moisture.....they grab, and, your good........(again, why if I have something going in couple days before rains, they get watered a little.....)

Now, on a different note, and, as earlier...I tend to do myself several things which I feel assist, and, relating to that , would be in addition to before rains, and, in addition to crystals, and, in addition to possible a little water, as earlier in thread......when I am using my larger trays (which have lids and can be stacked and absolutely rock :smoke:.....) I'll hand soak all before packing (in 3" or larger peat pots), saturate, then throw a couple inches in the trays before closing for trip....so....you have soak, then you have trays, then crystals, then a little water, then rains coming in...........

Really? can't say if any one practice is the key or all combined complement each other, but,k virtually 100% success rate....usually only issue is runts, but, I usually toss those from the start.....(I always give them a chance though, don't just toss at first sign of any kind of issue with them.....)
 
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Clones.......size....roots......

This is one of the only clone pics I have right now, and, regarding above (size, NPK), established, roots, etc.....

These are about typical size I do, some half that size, usually never really much bigger....and, roots though in this shot not what I would consider ready...(if in, might be able to slap into next spot, but, for out, nah...I give em another 5 days or so, give or take, till roots are essentially about 3 times the size of the plugs....(note, I do 2 per single plug for volume, 1 each side)......but, yeah, wish I had a shot because really, plugs like in that shot just become mass of roots...pretty cool actually.....
 
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