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MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW
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Julian, after reading the entire thread from start to finish I have to say that this is one of the most informative I've ever come across...whatever success you've had in your growing endeavours is surely deserved. It's a funny thing, as a teenager I thought that there was such a thing as "easy money." Growing makes you realize that although there is "easier money", the notion that there is easy money to be made is an illusion that only the young can afford to entertain. Fortunately or unfortunately, it all comes down to hard work and staying the course.
BTW, I love the idea of using an auger to drill holes. Although I've seen large mechanical augers attached to tractors, I have never seen a portable unit. Where did you get that baby? Does it run off diesel? How deep can you drill the holes?
BTW, I love the idea of using an auger to drill holes. Although I've seen large mechanical augers attached to tractors, I have never seen a portable unit. Where did you get that baby? Does it run off diesel? How deep can you drill the holes?
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pst, supple, seen them at some local landscaping specialty/repair type shops, lots of chainsaws and leaf blowers on shelf, small shops...definately should be multiple places like this in any larger city...
cant wait to try one out myself, hoping can use coco also, would be very nice...,
cant wait to try one out myself, hoping can use coco also, would be very nice...,
julian said:Outside?.......all lies in the spots brother......do you have them?........(Anyone who has outdoor spots to use should be using them....simple as that.....that's why I sometimes get carried away.......I mean....used to be plant early, then sit............I mean....why?...I have spots?...I have time?...why waste it?...why not plant more? ......ie: utilize all space.....)
I get the same way with in projects...(ie: utilizing every sq. inch possible.......might as well, already set up and at risk, so, might as well be as efficient as possible, max yield, etc......)[\quote]
LOL, this is great, was just thinking, ****, if i go with in, ill do 800w...that lasted about a week, then, counting watts/amps available, hmmm, dont NEED dryer for maybe 4 months...if already taken up that side of room/house...well..let it take it up, as long as i can cover it up...lol...feels like im on track
julian said:
Hell yeah man, i dig that too, didnt hit me til after i was 20, before lazy guy, liked to brawl sometimes maybe...lol...but far from blue collar....now, like to think of self as CAPABLE of white collar, but LOVIN the blue collarAnd spiritual yeah, (****ing hate to agree ALL the time but ****) i know what you mean, feels like connecting to the whole big picturr, to me i guess lol, and always rewarding to do hard work and make something happen
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****ing sounds like Nietzsches 'overman', the man beyond, beyond his own means, reaching and expanding, conquering life itself....
as always man, just enjoying the conversation...
cheers
Near aggressive?onthecouch said:
Been feeling extremely aggressive lately overall.....(I just think of it as "more focused".....several comments in real life past couple weeks.....I get pretty serious and hardcore sometimes...
...I just think it's "focus"...Well.....children.......whole different story......(I don't have kids but first wife had 2, so, kind of raised them from children....they were like 4-5 when we were married, so..closest I have so far
..Looking forward to it though....I did fairly well with them..(no partying, sports, school, etc....)Well, me....as a child....really got no support for other endeavors....and, from poverty, so, no money for it either..(I was actually a fairly good sports performer and was into music fairly young.....actually was on the Ozzy list way back when....Randy got it
......) But, again, poor, 9-5'ers, so....kind of ingrained in me now to fully support anything and everything creative, unusual.....(music?...****, I'll set em up...sport?....will do my best, better schools, etc....etc, etc....I dunno man...from my limited experience (step kids from like.....5 to 15......)Comes into play on a rant I am going to continue here shortly (been on it for couple days now...some above...about media, people, time, ..etc....)
Well....sometimes....some thing....you have to remind yourself and hear all the time...(to counter all the shit we hear all the time from everywhere else.......sometimes very hard to press ahead with no support.....etc...no one around us who has done the same......sometimes very hard.....
Thanks man....you know.....just glad of interest and use.........Glad you find it such...appreciate the praise...nice of you to say.......
Just talking man.......just talkin
Thanks man....just glad of use...of interest.......very kind of you to say........quite humbled.....supplementsavvy said:
Well......"easy"...........I think the term misunderstood by most......
Trading for me a prime example..(I am absolutely ****in killing btw this week.......more than usual.....)
Easy?.....well,......yes and no......sure...sometimes it appears such, but, the amount of work I put in daily (all day, real time, then any time studying charts, reading a little, etc....) Then of course the reality is even on a good day I'm pacing back and forth yelling smoking 3 packs of smokes.......so.....exhausting.....(and that's on a good day
....)You know......I mentioned above how my family sometimes gives me shit......well, not because losses (I rarely lose anything at all..period)...but because they're worried about me dropping dead of a heart attack
....(which as time goes on becomes less and less likely as more disciplined than I used to be.....don't let myself get into situations which would create that much stress....if unsure, I'm out, watch, come back when sure, etc.....)Yeah....even "the easy" stuff is lot of work...blood....sweat.......
In thread at start brother
.......bits come separate....Can pick those up at any home depot, lowes, etc.....bits come in different sizes, but, biggest I have seen for the one man (gas powered btw) is 12" wide and if good soil and using well, can get 3' down....(so, 1' x 3' in 30 seconds ....) units are about $300....bits about $100-$150......so......bout $450 for whole unit (considering it's return ....eh.....nothing .....one day working pays for itself 100 times over Maybe the 2 man's have larger bits, but, you know...I like the one mans, because basically can just throw it on shoulder and transport...larger they get, more of an issue..(and, make no mistake.......I do spots that are not easy to get to.......so...smaller, lighter the better...(up and down ravines,heavy brush, etc...so.......smaller the better........)
Well....not "easy" to use...even in good soil...heavy, hard to control, hard to work for extended periods...(we switch off when doing lots at a time....) but, beats the **** out of doing it by hand......ya know?onthecouch said:
..Usually each person does 100 before we switch off......couple people, then, by the time it's your turn again, rested back up and ready to go......(I like holes, prepped, nutes, planted, etc, in a specific way....so....hard sometimes to hand that over to others because i know that they will not do it exactly as I want....they do try......honestly...but......you know....
Well....I am white collar by profession.....desk, suits, etc.....but, you know, the thing people don't seem to understand is blue collar....man, at the end of the day....you can rest easy knowing you accomplished something....Hell yeah man, i dig that too, didnt hit me til after i was 20, before lazy guy, liked to brawl sometimes maybe...lol...but far from blue collar....now, like to think of self as CAPABLE of white collar, but LOVIN the blue collar
**** man......I've had times where I spent a year on something only to have it fall through the cracks.....my time wasted...no money to show for it...nothing achieved...nothing accomplished....same with trading...sometimes days spent and nothing done........
Another aspect is always I'll choose physically exhausted over mentally any any day...lot don't realize or experience the difference.........mentally exhausted is a whole different ballgame.....very unpleasant.........very unpleasant.......
Thanks man..........very kind as always of you to say...glad of use......of interest....
Okay....so.....to continue earlier (media, failure, etc, etc.....)
Was continuing that and talking with people about the same.....
You know....when I was young......."sitcoms".....shows........they had a moral to episodes....they dealt with being straight...honesty....doing the right thing....etc, etc......
Now?
Mean are always ****in idiots........can't do anything for shit....women of course always more intelligent...superior in every way.......kids are all disrespectful smart asses.....no other point to shows than to fill airtime....
Now, of course, yeah, most would say "dude, it's only a show....."....Yeah, sure...to me or you...but, what about all the generations that are being spoon fed this shit day and night.......
Time goes on it just gets worse...........
(I was talking with someone.....and, commercial for some sitcom flashed and it was basically some fine bitch telling another she looked like shit, got clothes from salvation army.......her man was ****ing around, etc.......)
This is the behavior that is being spoon fed on a continual basis?.....
And we wonder why we see no respect these days.........We see no pride in work (because **** work, right?..).....we see no loyalty? (because all want to **** their friends girlfriends and wives....) I mean........I dunno....just jumped out at me as interesting....
Note: I'm just sayin...I don't watch that shit anyway I'm basically now at The Wire, Weeds, Soprano's when it was on....a South Park if new......otherwise..just history, learning channels....AE (property stuff).......that's about it....****, I don't even watch news anymore (read online daily when I wake up......sometimes grab a newspaper if will be out and have time to kill.......) So....I'm just sayin....wtf man....it's no wonder people are turning out like they are......society and media creating a bunch of inconsiderate, disrespectful, disloyal machines......
I am also going to make a statement about book mentioned earlier (almost done...couple pages left...)
It's fiction....
At a certain point a statement is made about growing that anyone here knows not to be the case........it's fiction.......that was not written by a grower.
Okay book....I will hand it out for people to read.....but, I think it's fiction due to statement made in it.......and, his writing style makes it a little hard to become fully absorbed....(He describes everything in detail.....guys walks into bar to have a drink.......3 pages on what the bar looked like, smelled like, the people looked like, smalled like, how the glass was, how the drink tasted, etc, etc......got a little too much at times...(I just want to know the story.....)
Was continuing that and talking with people about the same.....
You know....when I was young......."sitcoms".....shows........they had a moral to episodes....they dealt with being straight...honesty....doing the right thing....etc, etc......
Now?
Mean are always ****in idiots........can't do anything for shit....women of course always more intelligent...superior in every way.......kids are all disrespectful smart asses.....no other point to shows than to fill airtime....
Now, of course, yeah, most would say "dude, it's only a show....."....Yeah, sure...to me or you...but, what about all the generations that are being spoon fed this shit day and night.......
Time goes on it just gets worse...........
(I was talking with someone.....and, commercial for some sitcom flashed and it was basically some fine bitch telling another she looked like shit, got clothes from salvation army.......her man was ****ing around, etc.......)
This is the behavior that is being spoon fed on a continual basis?.....
And we wonder why we see no respect these days.........We see no pride in work (because **** work, right?
..).....we see no loyalty? (because all want to **** their friends girlfriends and wives....) I mean........I dunno....just jumped out at me as interesting....Note: I'm just sayin...I don't watch that shit anyway
I'm basically now at The Wire, Weeds, Soprano's when it was on....a South Park if new......otherwise..just history, learning channels....AE (property stuff).......that's about it....****, I don't even watch news anymore (read online daily when I wake up......sometimes grab a newspaper if will be out and have time to kill.......) So....I'm just sayin....wtf man....it's no wonder people are turning out like they are......society and media creating a bunch of inconsiderate, disrespectful, disloyal machines......I am also going to make a statement about book mentioned earlier (almost done...couple pages left...)
It's fiction....
At a certain point a statement is made about growing that anyone here knows not to be the case........it's fiction.......that was not written by a grower.
Okay book....I will hand it out for people to read.....but, I think it's fiction due to statement made in it.......and, his writing style makes it a little hard to become fully absorbed....(He describes everything in detail.....guys walks into bar to have a drink.......3 pages on what the bar looked like, smelled like, the people looked like, smalled like, how the glass was, how the drink tasted, etc, etc......got a little too much at times...(I just want to know the story
.....)
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lol, knew I wouldnt be gone for long...
lol, well, I, myself, do see it as aggressive, and think aggression is more positive than negative, just didnt want to put wrong idea out there...
cant be much harder than some HD rototillers eh? Landscaping was my first gig, did again recently for a bit, always love handling those gas powered machines, makes my whole upper body feel GREAT,
now, sure aftre 1-200 drills, through MY soil...probably put me on my ass for a bit, lol, but....i think i can 'dig' it, lol, pun not intended
hits close to home, bad experience other day, working with someone, not heading in right direction....had me very frustrated at home that night, not very friendly (not being an asshole, just cant un-focus and give family attention)
physically tired is sometimes very nice actually in comparison, lol
julian said:
lol, well, I, myself, do see it as aggressive, and think aggression is more positive than negative, just didnt want to put wrong idea out there...
julian said:
cant be much harder than some HD rototillers eh? Landscaping was my first gig, did again recently for a bit, always love handling those gas powered machines, makes my whole upper body feel GREAT,
now, sure aftre 1-200 drills, through MY soil...probably put me on my ass for a bit, lol, but....i think i can 'dig' it, lol, pun not intended
julian said:
hits close to home, bad experience other day, working with someone, not heading in right direction....had me very frustrated at home that night, not very friendly (not being an asshole, just cant un-focus and give family attention)
physically tired is sometimes very nice actually in comparison, lol
Ya know Julian, its not just the entertainment media, its also the news media, the religious institution, the education system, political system that are trying to lock us in the box and keep us from expressing personal power. I dont think its too farfetched to say that theirs been a coordinated effort since day 1 by the PTB, to dumb us down and make us do what we are told. Herd mentality dude!
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Oh yeah, Jules
I appreciated the quick run down of pics(page back or 2), how 'simple' it can be.... actually got a very good laugh out of it, had seen all of those but one maybe, throughout thread, but the presentation and offering was very much appreciated
I appreciated the quick run down of pics(page back or 2), how 'simple' it can be.... actually got a very good laugh out of it, had seen all of those but one maybe, throughout thread, but the presentation and offering was very much appreciated
supplementsavvy
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Julian said:In thread at start brother
Maybe the 2 man's have larger bits, but, you know...I like the one mans, because basically can just throw it on shoulder and transport...larger they get, more of an issue..(and, make no mistake.......I do spots that are not easy to get to.......so...smaller, lighter the better...(up and down ravines,heavy brush, etc...so.......smaller the better........)
I owe you one - coming across this thread and picking up this one tip will save me hours of back breaking labor. Thanks for all the time you've put into this thread.
That's the problemonthecouch said:
I'm lucky enough to have a couple people, and, the way we do it is basically shoot for holes to have head start, then one prepping the holes, then one planting quick, so...(ie: assembly line...), and then we switch off when one can't anymore, and, they do one of the other things (much simpler compared to drilling).....so, for, 1,000 would be 330 each roughly, easy in a weekend...
(Although to get them psyched usually a chore
, but, again...basics ya know....ie: "Earlier we start, less work later, more we get done now, less that needs to be done later, the more we get in now, the quicker we will be done......" ....for volume?....shoot for early May, 1,000 a weekend, then, get "main" in, then, just do smaller, etc throughout year, etc.......so...I'm usually the one pushing the numbers....no one else really agrees with me in general (yeah, but, they're more than willing to take it when done, right?..........) Numbers in my circle all my doing....I get a little fanatical......(cause, again....why plant and then sit back and watch rest of season go by when could be planting entire season, etc.......In smaller seasons...it's usually.....done...then, after about a week I start the "ya know..............I could have another xxx ready in a week....." then, after that, the same ....Anyway...yeah...alone?.......I dunno...maybe 400 max in a weekend if you worked non stop and busted your ass....I dunno...depends on the person...(I'm fanatical, so.........24hrsn straight or longer not an issue....and, to anyone who see's that as not possible....well...welcome to my world
(I use the "man" psychology ....there is no can't....there is no "I'm tired"...you do what you have to do until it's done and that's that..(besides...as always...****....couple weekends (several) a year.....I mean...**** man...it's only once a year......And..............
Those couple/several weeks determine the entire season and batch...(What one does early on.....lays the entire framework for entire season to follow, so.....usually best to get as much done as possible from start (talking yield, volume, giants, etc)....then, can maybe take a week off
...then get to mid season ones......then late if ones wants, or, as above....choose any instead of the other..(just do lates....do earlier......do mid rounds....maybe early af's...or, combination of all.............)anyway......
I'll take it any day of the week over the other
.....physical tired is physical tired......mental exhaustion really ****s up your world quite differently......Yeah...often takes me a while to wind down.....getting pretty good at it these days..
I know well that laughonthecouch said:
It's the same one I get when I hear someone say "500?....that's crazy, are you outta your ****in mind?.....that's just too much work
)....Because every time I hear that, that's what I see
...Cause to me...it really is that simple...
I could do it again tomorrow and have em ready next week....no problem.....no problem ..So...I dunno....I just don't understand what's he big deal......
There may very well be many that cannot due to any number of factors.......ground/soil......they do all alone......rainfall issues and they need full irrigation to every one, etc, but, of course, most never say that...ie: "Well, I couldn't because of xxx"......anyway.....yep...there it is man...(pictures
...) Not that difficult for me....good soil...adequate rainfall.......(We do cage btw, so...but, for last project, which we did a lot, we had them all on site in spots, and, for new spots, we'd just load a truckfull for a new spot from an older one, because of course a lot around there from previous years, etc....)
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Now that I like............(seriously.....) What's it's all here for in the first place......supplementsavvy said:
You can also drill 2 right next to each other, or, even 4 (if one wanted larger...)
I won't hesitate to say changed my life using those
(see, because with one, you can dig 1,000-5,000-10,000 holes ....you can....) I do a lot more now in holes, prepped than I did before without them.......I still do minimal hole straight in ground, but, usually, those are the mid to later rounds...earliest we get in asap....Yeah man......time....efficiency......any and everything to make it easier for you is target........
Now, you can see from pic (of holes)...Can use native soil, work in dry mix quick.....can also leave hole as is and completely supplement with your own mix (and leave all from hole around base, etc....) Lot of variables and things you can do also as far as prep.....(We talked about dumping a custom mix in holes, like I just said, but, eh, in volume,that is a lot of soil/mix.......a lot...so.......we decided against it because we can use native fine....(in majority of areas.....)
Glad to be of help man.....my pleasure.......
Note: When you work em, the real hard part of it all is you have to try and stay straight...straight down, etc..lot of people like to lean it around, and....hard to explain....try to use it to widen and make like a cone.....and, of course, you can, but, your not supposed to and it does wear it down quicker...but, again...when talking about a $500 tool vs. a sizable crop...****....could kill a new one every season and wouldn't matter
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Not necessarily.......depends on the year and project......Last year, ran mostly clones, (90%?...less numbers than this year..maybe 50% less, but, all in earlier and less mini's overall.......) Year before, lot of fem and m/f and clones earlier, than some fem mid season, the clones late..........all depends on year, project, spaces, and what I have on hand (I have had problems procuring stock recently/last year, etc, so...hurt me a little....last yr think I lost about 1200 fems and maybe couple hundred m/f stock...etc...(seized)phrank said:
All depends on what I have on hand.....when I do mass larger patches I like fems or clones because as above, you can't really sex them if spacing tight.(ie: can't get in there, tight, like a room, etc.....and, they're small to start with so, physically an issue to get in there if a lot tightly spaced...)...but, let's say in a city plot, etc, or on on a treeline, etc, where I have one every couple feet for long distances.....then I might not, but, again, depends on what I have on hand as far as stock goes........sometimes I run short of stock also, and, have to moms for extras (clones) , so.....
I prefer fem seed when able....first and foremost....but, you know man....make do with what I have when I have it......so....I've already started building stock lately for future runs, so......some years good, some years better....
Of course, I don't necessarily procure all stock.......usually have quite a bit from a season but very selective as to what I will keep and use in future and what will not....so....now and then I make a batch also if I have good stuff (dedicate a patch for seed/seed plot, etc...) All depends man...every season, every op different...
Currently thinking about running a small seed run indoor for a large stash of fems, so, again, always different....usually just work what I have to work with to reach targets, ya know?.....I've used them ina pretty wide range of stuff....depends what you mean by stoney.....ie: Larger rocks might be a problem, but, I've also done some pretttty hard soil with it also (60-90 seconds a hole....) but , usually, on something like that I might look elsewhere in area for other spots, better soil, etc....another reason why I like the treeline and such...little softer, little moister.....sometimes more open spots in summer soil gets really baked, etc....so....
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Julian
Your knowledge on every subject covered in this thread is nothing less than amazing. I only hope that it stays around longer so more people have the opportunity to learn the direct and indirect lessons you teach through your words. I have a million questions to ask, more about the business/trading side of things, however we would be here for months if i were to start. All i can say is i hope you continue to contribute this wealth of information to the growing community!
A true inspiration
Peace
Weedzer
Your knowledge on every subject covered in this thread is nothing less than amazing. I only hope that it stays around longer so more people have the opportunity to learn the direct and indirect lessons you teach through your words. I have a million questions to ask, more about the business/trading side of things, however we would be here for months if i were to start. All i can say is i hope you continue to contribute this wealth of information to the growing community!
A true inspiration
Peace
Weedzer
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