MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Guest]

concerning the post hole diggers......

you mentioned you use the 12" bit. How much torque does that put off(especially when hitting small rocks and medium to large roots)? Is there normally a slip techanism or no? I'm thinking an 8" bit might be more usable for someone whos not as big of a person. Any opinions on that? Do you get the blade with your bit or have you found it unnecessary? would you say you can go 1000 holes in a week without oiling?

Do the augers actually pull post of the dirt out of the hole or just loosen it up?

 

[Julian]

Julian
Your knowledge on every subject covered in this thread is nothing less than amazing. I only hope that it stays around longer so more people have the opportunity to learn the direct and indirect lessons you teach through your words. I have a million questions to ask, more about the business/trading side of things, however we would be here for months if i were to start. All i can say is i hope you continue to contribute this wealth of information to the growing community!

A true inspiration

Peace
Weedzer

Just glad of interest and use...what it's here for...why I decided to share....quite humbled as always....kind of you to say.....

Business and property issues quite a bit in thread.....trading?......well....probably not something that should be touched on.....for various reasons...one of "those" subjects

Glad of interest.....

 

[Julian]

you mentioned you use the 12" bit. How much torque does that put off(especially when hitting small rocks and medium to large roots)?

Well, not the mechanic, so, technical issues.....ya know, but, can say smaller rocks...usually not really a problem (.You can see pic of hole, actually did rip through a nice root in process...)

If you hit something which is/will be a problem.....you usually know it ..(But, then again...one has to get used to full power of it first.....

Is there normally a slip techanism or no?

No clue...maybe yes, maybe no...I think I know what you mean/are referring to.......I don't think so......

I'm thinking an 8" bit might be more usable for someone whos not as big of a person. Any opinions on that?

Well, even an 8" nothing to sneeze at.......The way I figure is this:
8" x 10" or so is about 2 gallon (pot)....so...8" full depth you'd be looking at about 6 gallons more or less (my rough calculations initially).....same with 12"......full depth about the size of maybe 8-10 gallons, etc.....so...even an 8" would work well if soil halfway decent (ie: penetration outside of walls of hole....)

Difference in 8" and 12" not much at all really....(should also be noted.....one of my guys is by no means a gargantuan dude........and, he does quite well with it......maybe 5' 8", 160 or something....average guy, average shape, etc....one of the most effective...again....like one of those "either you get it, or you don't.......he can punch out as many, as quick as guys twice his size....

Do you get the blade with your bit or have you found it unnecessary?

Ya lost me.......we just have the bit(s)/drill, etc....Another look

would you say you can go 1000 holes in a week without oiling?

Not really sure actually.....I know that he stops and checks it out and does what he needs to every 100-200, etc..(checks bit, etc, etc...)

Do the augers actually pull post of the dirt out of the hole or just loosen it up?

Nah......if you take a look at pic of hole...pulls out maybe 2/3rds....then you might have to pull bottom thirds (falls back into hole while drilling, but, is loosened, so, very simple.....We don't pull it out because we utilize the native soil...so, we just flip/mix it quick......same deal... but, after looking again, I'd say pulls out half or so.....(3' deep....)

 

[Julian]

400 in weekend huh? not bad, lol...might use 8 in bit for minis/late season, 12 for starters....soil so bad around most areas here, hand shovel take too long, not loosen soil below enough...

Well, this covers several issues......

1.All depends on soil.....I would think 8 would be more than fine for me and my soil (I just plant pellets straight into holes made by hand in couple seconds....as above, about size of 16oz cup, which of course leads to and a reminder for anyone who would like to try drilling, which is you don't necessary have to go down full either (for mid and late instead of 3" might just want to do 6"-8", etc.......so, could also use the 12 just not as deep....(another bit would be more money for someone on a budget...I think they run about $150+/-....each....)

2.You know.....topic has spanned many thing.."simple"..."easy" has been said etc.....

Drill 400 yourself?...No problem...done, but, be aware.......you will be sore like a mutherfuker...In fact...all of this?...simple? easy?...yeah, sure, do it....but, that's not to say that you won't possibly be more pushed than in your entire life..(but, again....once a year.....not a stretch to expect some effort for such rewards....to me....just business as usual....)

I usually in March or so start prep (me)......quit smoking, start working out more (whatever, weights, running, etc...last year was up to some serious levels....), eat better , etc, so, by the time it rolls around I'm ready, no problem, but, make no mistake......this year I didn't, and, I was dyin ....some points just hoping to make it through day without heart attack or passing out..... (seriously.....45 degree inclines/ravines.....carrying over 100lbs+....for hours and hours and hours on end..if not walking up, walking down, if not down, then drilling, if not rilling, then planting, etc........couple times in 100 degree heat with no wind...even city rounds...later rounds (straight in ground, rapid...) I mean, that's a solid 30 minutes almost running carrying some weight..(water, plants, nutes), and then rapid planting...one time not before the rains....in the rain.....so........nutes, water, plants, shovel(spade)....run about 30 minutes to site and to spots, then planting by hand, dig, nutes, water, plant, cover, next...for maybe an hour or 2 at a time.....I mean.......it's some hard ass ****in work man......without a doubt...but, again....eh, in whole scheme of things......only once a yr with a high payoff (do well and that work could/hrly compensation could be $1,000+ an hr....****.....$10,000+ hr........so.....all about priorities, etc...everything relative, ya know?...

Yeah......big mistake not to get in shape, etc......could determine success of project in general.....

400? yourself?....sure.....and afterwards you'll be tired and ****in sore..might have to spread out 2 days......

Ideally, you want them all done in advance, always..especially if more remote.....(gives animals a chance to run through them....)so...lot of ways...can go in and dig, and prep (any additions)...then leave for a while...lot of variations......I usually try at least 2 weeks in advance, but, this year my guys ran short in advance , so....I did end up planting a lot immediately after holes dug..(****in pissed me off to no end......) so, another aspect...(another reason I like the straight in, mid and late (some years earlier)....very little is disturbed.....cuts down the problems...(ie: 3' pot straight in 3" hole.....very little disturbed....)

Another aspect is earlier as discussed...(main points)...one can also alter approach for spots and season, etc......could do later, or, mid season then you have smaller plants to deal with, and, correspondingly less work (and, make no mistake..."smaller" does not in any way immediately brand it "small" yield......especially if topped, fimmed, etc.....nice 3-4 footers can be pretty hefty sometimes.....so........if too much work earlier..one might go late june, etc, early July (if able..lot of places July gets brutal.....so...that is yet another variation in the mix...when your doing your work.........so.....you always want to try and schedule plantings before rains, etc,. work on niuce days, but, doesn't always work that way Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do ....so....

well....right now hoping to plant mostly in marshy areas, to prevent need of water maintenance, and better soil too...would like to get away with very little or no irrigation, and plants within 100 yards from creek or something....found a spot that i really liked today, bought some cheap camo, just need some wader style boots now, the hikers and blue jeans wont cut it where i wanna go....

Well, ideally you have knowledge of area in general (last couple years)....wouldn't want to get flooded out (I do a lot of low areas and have to be pretty careful about the overview, where they go, etc......)

Those kind of areas can be pretty nice and lot of ways you can do it......as earlier, can do the mounds...know lot of people do mounds...works well, and, again, as earlier, some would then start to talk about "well, yeah, but, needs oxygen, etc, etc..." but, when your doing such, as long as half is above is fine..(pics earlier...50% under water, 50% over and clean and nice and white roots......if your top half is above your usually good....so.....you don't want em ever anything anywhere completely submerged, but, a portion is fine (still receiving large amounts of oxygen.....)So...moist areas like that can do well (and, kind of a deterrent for casual traffic, because water, mud, etc, etc......)

need to pick up 2 small 4 person rafts....load em down with soil amendments...

all in time...

Take all the time you need and want....no rush ....doesn't matter if take you 3 years.......

Keep in mind though what starts to become a problem would be if talking 400 early or late, your also talking a good amount of nutes and mix....all depends again on native soil and such......could be 5lbs a hole....so........on 400 I would use damn near literally a truckload.....(Which I would build up on site in advance.....load here, load there...etc....instead of having to do all at one...again, relating to efficiency.......most effective time and energy management (your own.....)

But.......

If talking chem nutes....then a different story........so...(5lbs chem might cover 20 holes initially...etc.....(not sure...I do by eye and always overorder , can just use it somewhere else or later, etc...so...400 holes I myself might get....hmmmm.....50lbs water crystals and maybe 200lbs nutes(chem) (4-50lbs bags.....) might sit down and figure it further if I had to tomorrow....figure maybe 2 cups a hole.....some in hole, some bottom, mixed throughout, then rest worked around base ala top feed...

You know...if your watering....whole different story...even more if no irrigation, all manual....even more if no source nearby...etc...can still do things to help...basics are the earlier and the deeper they get in the more they can handle, sio...can also help oneself depending on how and when they get them in.....I had spots this season with crystals that made a while without rain (one spot with no crystals..(ran out)....died quick...others...same general time, spots, size, etc...made it through fine....so......earlier in thread...that was a pretty good textbook example of how and when you get them in determining a lot (I should have just waited till I had more, but, again, was on schedule, etc....so.......can easily get overgrown when running a lot, so...an extra week?....extra week can really **** up your world sometimes.....so...

Hmmmm.....

What was the question? (busy, and a little bubble, so ......)

Kidding.....

Yeah.....cannot state enough when doing numbers.....the reason planning is of such significance (among many reasons) is any and everything should be max efficiency...scheduled....etc.....easy to fall behind, easy to miss a deadline...easy to get overgrown and then completely behind schedule and rushed.......so...have to have a handle on it so that your making sure every second of your time an energy is spent more effectively.......

How one does something can triple (or more ) their work....or , it can save you a lot of work.......(not about "cutting corners"....about effective and efficient time management....

Going back to above........the reason (one of) I was pissed about holes not on schedule is that it actually increased work and time needed and ****ed up schedule.....(so, for example, instead of just holes, prep one weekend, then next weekend, then, start staggering the planting (first holes dug planted, 2nd holes dug planted following, 3rd, etc......it not only ****ed up schedule, making more work to be done, but, also, ****ed me up with getting them done 2 weeks in advance for some..(for animals)....so.....

Always got to keep an eye on the overview..(and, as above in thread....you start keeping up with weather every day, couple weeks in advance...watching for changes in extended outlooks, changing your schedule accordingly...etc...(might say next week 4 days rain.....but, before next week, 1 might creep in and then BY next week, that 4 might be down to 1 but them 2 more days 3 days after, etc, etc.........

 

[Guest]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Julian again.

thanks for the info on the augers. The blade i was referring to is sold with some as a 'cutting blade' to be used in areas with roots and such in order to protect the tip of the main bit a little more.

I think if I end up getting an auger, id get an 8" with it (not getting multiples due to budget.......better spent elsewhere, etc.). I feel like the 8" (instead of a 12") would allow me to dig deep holes with less chance of hitting rocks/roots and if i decide to put in my own mix in some holes, its a lot less mix over 2-3' of depth between 8" and 12" diameter.

The second part won't really factor in much probably, as i hope to use mostly native with just crystals and time relesase ferts (they're all soo cheap in bulk )

Carrying in bales of peat just seems to be a limiting factor, as each bale takes me 1 trip and won't really fill more than 4 smaller holes. The only place i want to have to bring in peat or a soil mix is if i do some 3-5 gallon growbags in a marshy area with no real native soil or just heavy clay.

DIgging the holes ahead of time not only is good for giving animals time to search through without killing your plants, but also in case someone catches you digging. You'd probably still get in trouble for diggging holes, and the spot would be ruled out if caught digging there, but at least no plants to get caught with right?

The auger basically has a small (push) lawn mower engine on it right? Can you only really use that in the middle of nowhere? I feel like the noise would stick out a lot at night (when i do most of my prep work). However, i guess it'll help keep me at least a 1/2 mile from any residence.

I think that last thing is one reason it can almost be better to do holes right by a main road or something (with enought cover). There is so much noise and activity aroundthat one couldn't easily focus in on your lil op as easily.

 

[C#1]

What kind of crystals do you use? And how much per size of hole? Sorry If i missed it..

 

[rhizome]

Ya know Julian-

I used to be able to just go about my day, minding my own business, not thinking about the hobby at all...

Now all I see are spots for mini's.... everywhere I go....

Lot's of these are spots I'm already familiar w/, just never thought about them in this context...

...and I was in my local Casa De Pot last night, only to spy a damn auger marked down for clearance...

I've had the fever under control for years- now I've got worse than ever before...

Thanks, ya b$%tard!!! ( w/ much respect)

 

[Guest]

rhizome:

i've been ruined by this cat julian too :wink:

i do lots of country driving to so.......



its all about those clearance sales outa season isn't it
the only problem is that once you buy it.....you'll have to use it

 

[InjectTruth]

Damn Julian, I wish I knew you personally. Im in a huge rut right now, and Im having such a hard time applying these concepts to my life. Especially the work one. I really dont want to work. I have horrible social problems and no desire to fuel the end of the world. I dont even 'hustle' like I used to because I dont talk to anyone, because everyone I grew up with ****ed me or took advantage of me. Im a mark because Im defenseless.

The growing is coming along fine, but the steady paycheck thing, man.... something else you know. I dont know where you get your work ethic from, especially since you are so critical of the system, but I wish I could dip into that. People and public places do not agree with me, but those are two pre-requisites for working. All I can think about is how if I had started out with a normal oppurtunity, I could have started and proliferated my own business without ever having to be anyones peon. But instead Im supposed to take some entry level job and give my entire life up for just enough money to pay the rent. ITs driving me ****ing nuts.

But without a steady paycheck, almost anything else is impossible. As a trader, how hard could it be to make $50 - $100 a day (more than any full time job I could get would give me)? I would much rather have that be my "job" so I dont have to be around people I dont like, wake up early, give my life away for crumbs, etc.

Damn julian, can you give me a job?

 

[xr650l]

Working from home would do me just fine.
I hate being around people I don't like. lol

Julian- This post and your indoor post has been some
of the most interesting reading I've ever come across.
Wish I would have found this info years ago. Thanks
for sharing your experiences.

I tried to send you a pm but I can't because I haven't made 50 post.
Maybe you could sent me one, I'm not sure. I know your busy.
I have one question I'd like to ask you if you have the time.
Thanks.

 

[Julian]

thanks for the info on the augers. The blade i was referring to is sold with some as a 'cutting blade' to be used in areas with roots and such in order to protect the tip of the main bit a little more.

Really? I had no idea actually...hadn't seen any.....(Those were/to use those were actually my idea, and, just told my guys to "make it so" .....I never saw those, otherwise, would have maybe decided on those instead....everywhere I looked, I only saw the standard ones....)

I think if I end up getting an auger, id get an 8" with it (not getting multiples due to budget.......better spent elsewhere, etc.). I feel like the 8" (instead of a 12") would allow me to dig deep holes with less chance of hitting rocks/roots and if i decide to put in my own mix in some holes, its a lot less mix over 2-3' of depth between 8" and 12" diameter.

Well, as above man...depends on soil too......when my guys first went out, they only found 8's....and, I thought about it....I mean, as above, 8 is not bad at all...4-6 gallons with potential to expand to native beyond hole, etc...so......all depends on your soil man.....again...I can do peat pots straight into ground and be fine....holes your yield (one of the factors....),so....you can always change mind also and grab a 12 if you want......so...no big deal.....

The second part won't really factor in much probably, as i hope to use mostly native with just crystals and time relesase ferts (they're all soo cheap in bulk )

Very cheap.......Just make sure ideally to get them in coinciding with rains.........as above......how/when you get them in can dictate everything to come....

Carrying in bales of peat just seems to be a limiting factor, as each bale takes me 1 trip and won't really fill more than 4 smaller holes. The only place i want to have to bring in peat or a soil mix is if i do some 3-5 gallon growbags in a marshy area with no real native soil or just heavy clay.

Well.....several other aspects to that also....

Me? I'd personally prefer to have it all premixed before on site (or mix on site, depending...)........ie: as compared to bales on site, etc....I like to do my pre mixes of everything.....

I'm not a fan of bags for many reasons as above......for me would just increase the work I have to do later on (tipping issues, possible drying issues...medium heating up higher than normal, etc......)

Discussed above is how surface conditions vary from those down a bit, and, saw something recently that made me laugh.....was Bear Gryllis in the Sahara.....1/2 foot under surface (6"....) conditions was 60 degrees cooler.......so.....60 degrees 6" down......so...yeah...

Plus, I use native soil, so......really no point for the most part (not to mention it raises profile of all, and, when talking giants.....just looking for trouble with the bags......Wet areas?...I'd rather just dump and do the mounds....

DIgging the holes ahead of time not only is good for giving animals time to search through without killing your plants, but also in case someone catches you digging. You'd probably still get in trouble for diggging holes, and the spot would be ruled out if caught digging there, but at least no plants to get caught with right?

I'd agree.....would save a lot of problems..(me personally I'd rather have it happen early on then later .....)

The auger basically has a small (push) lawn mower engine on it right? Can you only really use that in the middle of nowhere? I feel like the noise would stick out a lot at night (when i do most of my prep work). However, i guess it'll help keep me at least a 1/2 mile from any residence.

Well.....I was talking about this early season......

Really?...sounds like a kid on a bike...small bike....in distance....(another reason why I prefer just to do as many as possible straight through....instead of starting and stopping, etc....noise factor...(for me, not as much, but, still, don't want to add to your problems.....sounds like a bike though....maybe a chainsaw, etc, plus, you have to remember if your surrounded by dense vegetation...natural barrier to sound, so, does muffle it quite a bit depending on where you are.......

I think that last thing is one reason it can almost be better to do holes right by a main road or something (with enought cover). There is so much noise and activity aroundthat one couldn't easily focus in on your lil op as easily.

Well, everything relative as far as where and what and when and how, etc.....close in to somewhere?....problem would probably be more getting it in/carrying it in then the noise.......another factor relating to methods and spots......lot of spots I have to do in absolute silence (city spots)...so...all relative.....would be too loud for some spots...but, as an example...yeah...it's like a kid on a small bike.....or, again..like a chainsaw or something.....so...

 

[Julian]

What kind of crystals do you use? And how much per size of hole? Sorry If i missed it..

All in thread even with links I believe to products but discussion turned to organic and environmentally safe alternatives..(potato starch based??....)

One of the reasons I prefer not to backtrack is a few have read from start, so....prefer not to go over same issues again......different sizes/grades also, so, how much one uses dependent on your own situation..(I do all by eye anyway...so....and, different methods depending on what's going on there/in there...so....

 

[Julian]

I used to be able to just go about my day, minding my own business, not thinking about the hobby at all...

Lucky guy ......

What's your secret? .....

Now all I see are spots for mini's.... everywhere I go....

Our meetings are Tues and Wednesday .....(GA...Growers anonymous )

Lot's of these are spots I'm already familiar w/, just never thought about them in this context...

...and I was in my local Casa De Pot last night, only to spy a damn auger marked down for clearance...

They're not that expensive...sale is nice ....

Depending on soil and area though, might not need one for the small and late ones......(I never really use it for the mini's/lates.....just do those by hand......I think even quicker then auger.......my last run of season was doing 100 an hour.....)

I've had the fever under control for years- now I've got worse than ever before...

Thanks, ya b$%tard!!! ( w/ much respect)

Know what you mean ......key is finding a balance between ....

 

[Julian]

Damn Julian, I wish I knew you personally. Im in a huge rut right now, and Im having such a hard time applying these concepts to my life. Especially the work one. I really dont want to work. I have horrible social problems and no desire to fuel the end of the world. I dont even 'hustle' like I used to because I dont talk to anyone, because everyone I grew up with ****ed me or took advantage of me. Im a mark because Im defenseless.

Well......I'm sorry to say....no ones does (want to work)......(yeah, some......some lucky to love job(s), etc, but, overall, no one does want to, so....you do what you gotta do......

I can say though...(and, forgive me if I sound a little harsh...not meant to be a prick, but....) your focusing on everything else instead of yourself....

Fuel the end of the world?.......

How about just get you what and where you want to go?.......For you? For your family?....for satisfaction?........

I dont know where you get your work ethic from, especially since you are so critical of the system, but I wish I could dip into that.

Out of necessity....followed by addiction.....originating out of want.....it's easier once you see that you can do and have anything you want.........Easy to push it to another level when you realize that.....
[/quote]
People and public places do not agree with me, but those are two pre-requisites for working. All I can think about is how if I had started out with a normal oppurtunity, I could have started and proliferated my own business without ever having to be anyones peon. But instead Im supposed to take some entry level job and give my entire life up for just enough money to pay the rent. ITs driving me ****ing nuts.
[/quote]
No......incorrect........

Everything today is only today....if that's unpleasant....well, then you might want to focus on future and other things to pass the time.....

See.......you say your "giving up your entire life", when, in reality, your just giving up 8 hrs until you reach another level.....

Perspective man........

Your focusing on the trees instead of the forest .......

Everything is what it is....nothing more, nothing less....today is only today, has little to do with tomorrow......

The present is blinding you to the future......(could very well also be affecting everything regarding the future.......)

But without a steady paycheck, almost anything else is impossible.

Everyone should have one anyway, if only for benefits package/insurance, etc.......accident and bills that come from it could ruin your life in one swipe.....

As a trader, how hard could it be to make $50 - $100 a day (more than any full time job I could get would give me)? I would much rather have that be my "job" so I dont have to be around people I dont like, wake up early, give my life away for crumbs, etc.

Well........

1.That's pre tax and pre expenses..........
2.early, people you don't like, etc..........well, I'm sorry my friend...but, that is life......we all must, and, most of the time, doing such is beneficial overall to character development......

Damn julian, can you give me a job?

Dude............the above being said......man....you would not like me .......... After a week with me, you'd be like "****kkkk that....I'm going back to cust service ".....

I know no " I can't"........I know no "I don't want to"........there is no "no"......

Nah......I don't **** around man........

(If you told me you didn't like so and so....I'd say "Really?......well, I just so happen to have a project for you and so and so...you'll be spending a lot of time together" ......and I'd make sure it lasted until you two learned to get a,ong .....Nah...I'm a serious guy man...I don't **** around........

 

[Julian]

Julian- This post and your indoor post has been some
of the most interesting reading I've ever come across.
Wish I would have found this info years ago. Thanks
for sharing your experiences.

Glad of use and interest, and, very kind of you to say......

 

[NPK]

It's oft-repeated, but I have to agree: this thread has been a huge eye-opener. Now I'm seeing potential spots all over the place. I've IDed six where I'm definitely going to plant, and have seen several more that merit further investigation. It's not hard to see how 30-40 here and there can easily add up to hundreds--hundreds at least two times over in a single season.

And twice now, I've driven past big spots right off the freeway--where one could grow hundreds all in one area. They're some distance from me but attractive enough to get a second look. And certain drain pipes have acquired a strange appeal....

Even if not on the scale Julian does it, still one could grow a shocking amount of weed. I am very attracted by the idea of making up big batches of feminized seed, germing 'em in a little Jiffy greenhouse kind of thing, and putting 'em out at a relatively small size (6-8") because you could transport so many at that size.

Given adequate seed stock, it wouldn't be hard to fill a whole bunch of these:

with females. The above is a one-foot square Jiffy greenhouse that holds up to 25 seedlings (currently 13 C99s). You could easily pack six or eight of those mini greenhouses in an ice chest and go about your business in a fairly compact manner: maybe tools and amendments in a backpack?

No, it's not hard to imagine that at all. In fact, when you can generate your own female pollen (and thus female seed) with a device like this:

which costs around $35 and five minutes to make--well, then, the idea gets pretty exciting. You just need to plan far enough ahead to include a seed crop into your calendar. I just realized that actually puts a person who'd like to do an early-season mini from fem seed somewhat behind schedule. You'd have plenty in time for a late-season mini, though.

Yeah, just thinking out loud here.

 

[buzzy]

Still time for some early autoflower action though i reckon...

thinking out loud too, lol

 

[pakalolo420]

Just wanted to chime in that I currently have my crop hanging a la Julian and I've gotta say it looks great. None of the things like mold I was afraid of ever happened and it's drying in spite of some significant rain during the hang.

It works.

 

[buzzy]

Just wanted to chime in that I currently have my crop hanging a la Julian and I've gotta say it looks great. None of the things like mold I was afraid of ever happened and it's drying in spite of some significant rain during the hang.

It works.

Yeah, living in the UK (hence a LOT of rain), i was a little skeptical about the benefits of an outdoor hang. I see now that it it the way to go...

 

[InjectTruth]

About the Colloidal Silver, dont they sell that as a health supplement? Could you reasonably buy those pills to treat your plants? If that cost $10 to make I would be all over it, but Im fairly certain you can get CS pills for less than that.