MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Wolff]

Clones.......size....roots......

This is one of the only clone pics I have right now, and, regarding above (size, NPK), established, roots, etc.....

These are about typical size I do, some half that size, usually never really much bigger....and, roots though in this shot not what I would consider ready...(if in, might be able to slap into next spot, but, for out, nah...I give em another 5 days or so, give or take, till roots are essentially about 3 times the size of the plugs....(note, I do 2 per single plug for volume, 1 each side)......but, yeah, wish I had a shot because really, plugs like in that shot just become mass of roots...pretty cool actually.....

Very interesting. Glad your in the holiday spirit and Happy Holdays to you and everybody else I'm in the process of ordering some femmed seeds right now and getting things rolling(wanna clone a few plants just to get the swing of things beforehand) The Pure Powerplant you had so much success with tis past year was that Dutch Passion or Nirvana because they both have an offering? Now I am definitely sold on the Maroc and am contemplating The Church and Himilayan Gold fems from Greenhouse seeds. Finishing times in late September(Church) and mid October. I have a feeling these may be perfect for your climate as I'm in the same general area(Northeast). Just something to consider. I have used the peat pots once with limited succes but I think it was due to the fact I had them on a table in my living room and wasn't keeping them as wet as needed for the roots to penetrate(didnt want to make a big mess). Can't wait for spring to roll around. Funny how fast the seasons fly especially when you are trying to make the most of each growing season.

 

[Julian]

Very interesting. Glad your in the holiday spirit and Happy Holdays to you and everybody else

Well, I was playin, but,.........with the days and weeks I have been having lately....every day is Christmas for me.......and I mean that.....I cannot even begin to tell anyone, ever, how truly lucky and even blessed I feel lately.....

Truly....I'm speechless at my good fortune lately.......bordering on guilt for receiving such, etc.....

I'm in the process of ordering some femmed seeds right now and getting things rolling(wanna clone a few plants just to get the swing of things beforehand) The Pure Powerplant you had so much success with tis past year was that Dutch Passion or Nirvana because they both have an offering?

They were the straight DP fems......I know Nirvana has it also but haven't seen both side by side and am happy enough with the DP not to change.....pleased with it...(thinking I need some more...at least if just for ps ....)

Now I am definitely sold on the Maroc

I was pleased with that........mothers ranged a little.......I really wish I had some now so I could compare to other nicer things, etc, to accurately judge it....(Yeah, I was blown away, but it was ****in early August .....ya know?...wish I had some now to do side by side (all that is long, long gone......)

and am contemplating The Church and Himilayan Gold fems from Greenhouse seeds. Finishing times in late September(Church) and mid October. I have a feeling these may be perfect for your climate as I'm in the same general area(Northeast).

Specs of Church caught my interest but lack of solid feedback on it and contradicting stuff turned me against it...(I play no politics whatsoever, and, couldn't really give a **** about all the breeder drama....so....but, not hearing good things lately, and, frankly, kind of pisses me off because completely unsure if accurate or just personal bashing, etc........anyway.......they had something else that caught my eye recently also, but, again, didn't follow through.........)

Which could bring me to a different rant said before regarding while an order(seed) may be peanuts to producer, and, essentially meaningless (50 bucks, whatever)....to a grower....it means space devoted, time devoted, effort devoted....and, if product doesn't deliver,?...well, all that above gone, and, the more one might do, the greater an issue it might become (on large scale could cost 6 figures in loss, etc........so.....)

Just something to consider. I have used the peat pots once with limited succes but I think it was due to the fact I had them on a table in my living room and wasn't keeping them as wet as needed for the roots to penetrate(didnt want to make a big mess).

First post I believe......peat pots bad rap.....lot of people with nothing good to say but I say that's because they're not using them right, or know how to use them right....(as was I when I started using them, so.....) I think they are awesome, and, for me, actually perfect......comments and pics in first post....

Can't wait for spring to roll around. Funny how fast the seasons fly especially when you are trying to make the most of each growing season.

Always does.........my calender is a blink of an eye equals 5 years ....

Always the same....just seems to move quicker when enthusiastic about something..(ie: something to do? , Not enough time in the world...nothing to do?....hours seem like days...ya know?.....)

 

[Julian]

So.......... I threw everything down again on the upturn Tues....all from Tues on Wed...and everything in again today...which looks like this...........sure I can pull yet again the same out next week either up or down........so.......little overwhelmed...starting to come close to a level I had previously written off...(when young thought I could hit it....never dreamed nowadays possible, let alone legally and this quick.....overwhelming........).so....I'll stop in when I have a sec...lot to think about.......

(Of humor.....NO ONE in real life knows I've made anything more than usual lately ....)

Hope all is well with all......hope all in safe......

Edit: Thought I would add this as might be one or two who invest to some degree........

Here is the overview of these above described movements.........

Now....earlier....I mentioned a book (again, I don't feel one way or another about the author .....just the easiest read of the topic.....). I think my performance lately is 100% due to learning and adopting the analysis I do...(JCA in conjunction with other).......

So......again......a real life dramatic example of why I advocate what I do..........a $50 book (some others on subject $15)........and look what it enabled....

Would I have done trade if I never knew that form?....maybe, but, I would have been (were) less certain of exactly the way movement would occur....ie: unsure of entry and exit and next day, etc.......

So...when I recommend that book.......

I'm not ****in around.......

(Note: as above...I've read every book on the subject...just thought that was best one...."easiest read".......7 year old could read it and utilize all info.....so.......

I usually tell people....if they will do one trade in their life.....learn it.....(of course, all charts above, every single thing one see's means something.....either a reversal....continuation....upturn, downturn...etc.....every single thing means something......

 

[NPK]

more thinking out loud

more thinking out loud

Great stuff Julian--and thanks for the clone pic. I can see how a person could easily pack a few hundred short, well-rooted clones in three or four Sterilite boxes with lids. Then stack the boxes into a medium-sized or large picnic chest and plant 'em in pre-prepped holes.

I spent Thanksgiving at my in-laws, and on the three-hour drive to and from was AMAZED at the number of excellent sites just fifty feet off the road. We drove through miles and miles and miles of open farmland...way more spots than one person could ever use. The possibilities are exciting even though I'm not going to plant that far afield.

Closer to home, I've scoped out spots varying from marshes to drainage ditches to partially paved vacant lots to heavy clay, very sun-exposed hillsides. As I think about what to plant where, I consider water availability as the top priority. Seems best to plant the sun-exposed hillsides late in winter/very early in spring, when there's more rain, and the marshy, low-lying areas and drainage ditches later in the season (July-August), when it's drier and conditions more arid. The sun-exposed hillsides and vacant lots would also likely get water polymers and a little drink when planted. With water available either in the form of rain or coming up through the soil, I'm hoping for low-maintenance spots.

Since I probably won't have femmed seed in time for the first rounds, I'm honing my cloning skills. I do believe I've finally nailed how to get 100 percent success: temperature and humidity levels are the keys.

I just need a few more square feet for cloning purposes. The space beneath my basement staircase is perfect and will be easy to convert.

 

[Julian]

Great stuff Julian--and thanks for the clone pic. I can see how a person could easily pack a few hundred short, well-rooted clones in three or four Sterilite boxes with lids. Then stack the boxes into a medium-sized or large picnic chest and plant 'em in pre-prepped holes.

I just checked, won't put links, but, check top also of page 10 of my gallery......peat pellets and RR's going out at about 2" tell, etc...my larger trays? ****...I can get about 300 in each at a time when I am using them (to city spots, etc, I wouldn't use huge trays, have to bag, but, good visual as to size and packing, etc......another reason why I put them out as soon as I deem fit......easier to pack numbers and such, etc......very small space4 for large amount of numbers..(****, small, I can get 1,000 in my car/trunk....similar to pic in first post....(trunk, bout 200 or so in 3 trays, couple more trays in back seat...also smaller so I can put the covers on the trays....which was covered in sister thread...I like those trays...cheap, have covers, solid one piece (never a leak) and, have wheels, etc, so, easier to shift them around in rooms...I just roll em in and out and can even roll em out by windows for sun sometime (when they get packed, and, filled with water...pretty heavy though.....

I spent Thanksgiving at my in-laws, and on the three-hour drive to and from was AMAZED at the number of excellent sites just fifty feet off the road. We drove through miles and miles and miles of open farmland...way more spots than one person could ever use. The possibilities are exciting even though I'm not going to plant that far afield.

...yeah, I kind of did (and will) spent the same way (driving, etc)...(Wednesday, I cut out with excuse about 6pm....walked back in Thursday 6am, did all stuff, then, cut out again Thursday at about 6, back again about 6am Friday, worked (traded), cut back out again.......mut have covered like....5 states and maybe 2,000 miles this week.....yep...nothing but spots ....what I keep en eye out is where I can plant smaller ones for like, long distances, etc, into treelines, etc...came across one spot somewhere could probably plant like a mile or two of 2-3 footers, single file bordering a field/woods...etc....

You have to remember though....key(s) are access (get in, plant, cut) and then also moisture, etc.....I prefer best to just be able to leave things...no maintenance.......but, they have to get in the right way, or, could just be fried shortly.....

At this point lately....really not sure what to do......thinking about really finally just packing it all up......(would still do large runs for ps though , and, "for the fix" ) Been basically facing 20-life every second of every day for almost 25 years.....little tiring....maybe time for a break?

Don't really know...in a little crisis right now (then lately thinking seriously now about a Cali relocation......nice acreage, secluded, wooded..., in a friendly county, etc .....

anyway (just thinking out loud also

Closer to home, I've scoped out spots varying from marshes to drainage ditches to partially paved vacant lots to heavy clay, very sun-exposed hillsides. As I think about what to plant where, I consider water availability as the top priority. Seems best to plant the sun-exposed hillsides late in winter/very early in spring, when there's more rain, and the marshy, low-lying areas and drainage ditches later in the season (July-August), when it's drier and conditions more arid. The sun-exposed hillsides and vacant lots would also likely get water polymers and a little drink when planted. With water available either in the form of rain or coming up through the soil, I'm hoping for low-maintenance spots.

Note: watch the hillsides...sometimes can be unfavorable for many reasons......have to check your soil......maybe go lower on the hillside (catch any water)...I had one hillside spot(s) that got washed out this year (too much rain, basically flushed em....still brought em in end of, but, they nver quite fully recovered...probably cost a little yield (20%, etc) When I do the hillsides I do "shelfs"...semi dips, etc (catch water running downhill).....when you have spots with an incline, etc, sometimes best to do where the flatland meets the hill (water, moister) etc.......same with the marshy areas...watch your placement...heavy rain could wipe you out.....same with lower river areas......heavy streak of rain could clean you out, so, again..look for the3 outer spot of such areas and lower areas go back a little...looker for slightly higher poiints (can still reach down for moisture, but, any excess still some safety...) Had another lower spot this year that cam DAMN CLOSE to being flooded out.....lost a couple....but, overall not a big deal....(should have taken pics of that.......lot of water, plants looked great ....

Since I probably won't have femmed seed in time for the first rounds, I'm honing my cloning skills. I do believe I've finally nailed how to get 100 percent success: temperature and humidity levels are the keys.

Just don't complicate it...I clone completely low tech....I could do 1,000 right now with 0 loss.......lot of people complicate it, and, I see lot of people have problems but it's actually a very simple a straightforward process.....If you get on it, I think you might still have time (I didn't sit back and run the dates, and know it's getting later every day, but.....I think you could do it (****, do a 12/12 from seed run, pollinate...90 days?....)

I just need a few more square feet for cloning purposes. The space beneath my basement staircase is perfect and will be easy to convert.

Well, that's another thing I focused on earlier, and, reason I put in pics of those things....I mean, if doing out, veg?....eh, can get away with a VERY small space........very small space can produce enormous amounts..(****, you could run 10,000 a yr out of a smaller closet..(I have multiple rounds all season, but, point stands......all determined by your veg size....I don't go by size...I go by "established" when ready to go...ie: root systems, etc....)

Very small space one can prep enormous amounts..(****, those 2 spaces I was using....could do almost 5,000 at a time (small, pellets, rr's, etc...) Probably about 4k last space, but, again.....see, numbers......people hear numbers....people obsess when they hear numbers...they try to analyze , but, truth is that it's an afterthought...truly....something that somewhere along the line you sit and wonder about and try to calculate for your own curiosity.......you have runts, you have mutants, you have things which don't germ, you have animal loss, weather conditions, etc....you try and estimate the best you can, but, the overview is forward movement.....ie: me? I planted all year...I have no idea what end number was, nor do I care....would I be curious? of course....it's curiosity and satisfaction of such.......when starting I have a lot of supplies (pots, pellets, cups, whatever), so....when I am doing a round I know, and early on?....I have a better idea, but, once you get into season, very easy to lose count......smaller numbers very easy to keep count..larger?....who knows?..........ballpark is best guess ...

 

[Julian]

Some random notes, in no specific order........


Properties.....
Couple people asked about veg centers, drying spots, etc, and, why I didn't buy them this year, etc.....lot of discussion earlier about no money downs for people , etc....

Of course, now we have this huge subprime upheaval, and, as earlier, essentially, for the most part the 100% loans have been pulled this year (couple moneys ago), so......now your looking at a 5%, which can still be worked for the most part...(talk to mortgage broker...can have seller kick back some or all of down, closing costs, etc....)and, of course, even if you have the money, you don't want to put it down, etc....can be spent or invested elsewhere...(for me? I'm a trader...I don't care if I can put down 3MM on something.......that 3MM can be used to produce a larger income for years to come....soo....all about your leverage....target is always to produce income or more money......(some might sometimes view me as "cheap"......which is an insult which produces VERY undesirable results given my known generosity, but, that's just because I don't see it as spending 10k...I see it as spending an unknown amount (what would that 10k represent even in a couple months, plus, my power reduced x 4..so, let's say I wanted to put 1MM down on a new house....well.....I'd be losing 4MM in daily trading power which I could make xxx....anyway..whatever...

Point being they have tightened everything, but, you can still get things done...know a lot was said, so, wanted to add and update that, etc...also, some might be back but revised underwriting conditions (ie: no money downs might come right back, but, instead of 700 score, might want a 750-775, etc, etc.......always how it works.....

No money down for investments definitely gone....(ie: no money down on 4 units, etc, etc, or anything to rent.......)






Stocks and Trading.......
Frequently, people I talk to will try and use what I am playing....(use discussion as a "tip".......) This a very dangerous.......I could say anything is great today...Monday by 11 might change direction, etc, so, please, no one ever take any little bits and pieces today......(****, if people ask, I tell them...so....but, I always tell anyone that before we get into larger discussion.......I might see and play something Wed and 12, might be great...by Friday at 9 might be finished and have moved on to something else and be watching it, etc.....all depends.....

To anyone who makes a trade occasionally...some investments...buy book about...your returns will triple.....

For someone new wants to trade?....the odds are against you, unless ultimate discipline and a fair amount to trade (50k is good...25 is minimal for many reasons....not going to get into NYSE/SEC rules and regs and classifications of accounts, etc....) Minimal should be 30k....if your lucky......(for someone new), might be able to make 5k a month off that 30, but, have to be very good....(*as in VERY good)...(when I first started, I had a month where I made about 50k off about 30k...so.....right place, right time...patience, discipline.........you have to view it as "one chance"..(ie: cause if you lose too much...well.......)

So, please...no one ever play anything unless discussed......(example...the ETFC looks at this point by the daily it's headed back up, but, then again previously on bounce touched similar level and next day headed down and the 5 day ending Friday had it turning downwards...ie: daily looks like heading back up but 5 day, 15 minute, 5 minute, etc, looks like a possible correction Monday am....so....Me? I'll be back in but not unti I am absolutely certain of movement..(might be 15 minutes after open...might be 5...might be 4 hours, etc.....I'm doing shares in some extremely large amounts, so.....don't **** around......need serious movement to carry it....

Made a trade?......make a good trade?...make money?.......

No problem...,.very simple.......

Make a successful and profitable trade(s) every single day of your life?......

Very different matter.....



Late/small/mini's
The key is moisture until established and grabbed......that is the key....determines success or failure.....so...until some penetration (roots/grab)...they're very vulnerable to surface conditions.......(Let's say maybe 2 weeks after planted give or take.....if they make it 2 weeks?.....should be fine.......so, another aspect about crystals...rains....forecast.....etc......

 

[Wolff]

One man auger with 8 inch bit...check, 4' x 2' fluorescent fixture...check, 50 femmed beans to clone....check . Now all I need is water crystals, nutes and cloning/starting stuff(few leftovers from last year). Julian how many water crystals would you say you use for 200-300 plants (early rounds)? I see 10 pound bags and 55 pound drums. I'm thinking along the lines of maybe 10-20 pounds? Never used the stuff so I have no real way of judging what my needs will be in the field.

I got 20 Maroc beans and 10 Easy Sativa from FMS, 10 Monster from EvaSeeds and 10 Himalayan Gold from Greenhouse(hope the latter germ). I'm kinda wondering how to plant things cuz I want to get a headstart and have alot out early but then I am concerned they may get way too big. You planted the Marocs rather late correct? So I wonder what there growth potential is if planted in May and if height would be a concern? I'm thinking actually about putting the bigger stuff out(or what I suspect to be bigger; Monster and Himalayan Gold) out later so I don't end up with 12 footers sticking out like sore thumbs lol even though it would be a pretty sight. (Probably gonna do it with a few just for the hell of it) Of course there is always topping so...just thinkng outloud here

It's exciting when you have great spots and you go over in your head over and over again what exactly your going to do and work out all the kinks beforehand. I love the preperation and the planning. executing it is thrilling (also nerveracking ) I can't wait till it's all said and done and everything is out and I can just sit back and let them do their thing. I'm really hoping things workout well this coming year and all this prepwork pays off. If I was just doing this for PS I don't think I would get so into it. Since I have alot more time, money and effort invested I feel I really have to put my all into it.

 

[Hindu Killer]

Interesting read here people.........

 

[irish]

wolff..
sorry to jump in on julian's fantastic thread... but didn't want to see you hanging on for an answer...

the crystals will swell up with water, so for an 8" hole you may only need a tablespoon or two or small handfull, as any big amount may actually swell the soil back up out of the hole when it engorges.

anyone have the page with the stock trading book and japanese candle explanation? like 56? somewhere like that if i remember right... just can't seem to find it.

 

[clearcutter]

anyone have the page with the stock trading book and japanese candle explanation? like 56? somewhere like that if i remember right... just can't seem to find it.

The book i think your looking for is on page 60, post #893.

 

[Wolff]

wolff..
sorry to jump in on julian's fantastic thread... but didn't want to see you hanging on for an answer...

the crystals will swell up with water, so for an 8" hole you may only need a tablespoon or two or small handfull, as any big amount may actually swell the soil back up out of the hole when it engorges.

anyone have the page with the stock trading book and japanese candle explanation? like 56? somewhere like that if i remember right... just can't seem to find it.

Thanks irish. So I think maybe 20 pounds will suit my needs entirely. Can't wait to get things going I was also lookin for the name of the aforementioned stock trading book...thanks

 

[Julian]

Sorry about that....I stopped in before, got an answer done....then got a phone call, lost my train of thought and then reply didn't go through....(was just at such a high point, followed by an even greater low..(heavy sigh....) what can ya do ....such is life....

Both you guys basically said same as I did though......

Hope all is well with everyone............

One man auger with 8 inch bit...

You know...when the idea initially came to me before I started using them, I couldn't find the 12", and, was basially ready to just say "**** it, give me a couple 8's", but, I held out for the 12 (and found some like the next day after ready to take the 8

Point being (always one eventually ), 8's not bad at all....not at all, and, actually probably easier and quicker than a 12....reasons being self explanatory.....(less surface area and work, etc.....smaller it is, easier to drill it....) so........plus, volume of hole not too bad......soil determines a lot...if good soil??????****......8 is fine (because will assit initial growth (grabbing) and then grow easily into surrounding, so......(plus, regarding work...might be able to do more without getting as tired

Btw....regarding those to all who might use one.....Do not use your back!!!!.....

There are different stances and positions people take, etc......always try to let it do the work and use your arms..(some use back pushing it down, etc....use arms.........will be less tiring, strain, etc...instead of bending over, spread legs a little, use arms, etc.....can cause a lot of strain on your back depending on how you do it..

check, 4' x 2' fluorescent fixture...check, 50 femmed beans to clone....check . Now all I need is water crystals, nutes and cloning/starting stuff(few leftovers from last year). Julian how many water crystals would you say you use for 200-300 plants (early rounds)? I see 10 pound bags and 55 pound drums. I'm thinking along the lines of maybe 10-20 pounds? Never used the stuff so I have no real way of judging what my needs will be in the field.

Well, listen....if you go over? (what you need, estimates...) well, so what, you'll use it anyway .....I always get a lot and measure by eye basically but was thinking for a moment about that question, using 300, and, my estimates changed like 4 times in first 30 seconds of thought ....

Now, I tell everyone (as in everyone) who has not used them before.....first thing you do is fill a gallon container (milk, whatever...whatever you have), and, fill with water, throw in a tablespoon......(of crystals..) 30 minutes?...entire gallon should almost be gel, so, actually, I mean, a little does go a long way (I initially thought "lb per plant"? and then found myself laughing ......depends on your soil, your mix, etc....good soil, good rain?....with a hole, rains, etc, might need less.....worse climate, soil, etc, might need more...if was me?, and I was doing 300 giants I'd probably grab like 25lbs or so....just get more if needed them...(happened this year, I ran out, planted a round anyway...etc..I mean......these days...can grab some within a couple days, so......not a big deal.......depends though...little goes a liong way (lot of people overestimate how much is needed.....1/2 cup in a large hole is a lotttttttttttttttttttt......like...a lot! , so....maybe 1/4 cup?......maybe even less........I'd probably go with like 25lbs and then when your doing mixes, you'll know if you need some more (and, after you do the tablespoon in a gallon of water

btw...mentioned above......do the organic/based ones..(I will in future, etc.....makes no difference to me, as long as they do their intended job.....so....)

Depends a lot though on hole, soil, climate (rainfall) and methods..(like, I use them different ways...I include in dry mix, but, like, for later ones in some cases, but, not all, I then also might mix into soil in general (like I sometimes do spots that entire surface can be turned, so....those cases also do in it all....some mini's I turn all soil anyway also, so, goes in dry mix, then might go in the water I will use when planting, then also top surface, etc...so...all depends on how you will use them also...but, have to watch using too much....

I got 20 Maroc beans and 10 Easy Sativa from FMS, 10 Monster from EvaSeeds and 10 Himalayan Gold from Greenhouse(hope the latter germ). I'm kinda wondering how to plant things cuz I want to get a headstart and have alot out early but then I am concerned they may get way too big. You planted the Marocs rather late correct? So I wonder what there growth potential is if planted in May and if height would be a concern? I'm thinking actually about putting the bigger stuff out(or what I suspect to be bigger; Monster and Himalayan Gold) out later so I don't end up with 12 footers sticking out like sore thumbs lol even though it would be a pretty sight. (Probably gonna do it with a few just for the hell of it) Of course there is always topping so...just thinkng outloud here

No.........(got them out late)....was thinking about that......I dunno.....Maybe early June those went out?...late May?..was earlier though....or, at least not late .....but, they did trigger early....so, had everything went as planned....I assumed 6 footers.......(they ended up about 3-5ft....which was nice, I liked it....just expected a little more out of em......)

I can't wait till it's all said and done and everything is out and I can just sit back and let them do their thing.

Well, maybe, maybe not , but, if right climate and rainfall and you get them in the right way (holes, crystals, rains with planting), quite possible to be basically no maintenance...(except when stopping to check a top feed with a dry mix, etc, etc...)

I always say I do no maintenance, and never water, but, whenever I see something, at all, I usually have something with me (never a lot, because I divide it between whatever I am seeing, so, all get a little splash, and, accordingly, I do make that mix much, much, much stronger and do a side feed..like, drip line, etc, on the side.........so, most likely in couple days or whatever, good rain, will pick some of it up further, etc.,..

on a call, totally, totally lost my train of thought......sorry...totally...completely......

I'm really hoping things workout well this coming year and all this prepwork pays off. If I was just doing this for PS I don't think I would get so into it. Since I have alot more time, money and effort invested I feel I really have to put my all into it.

Earlier or in sister discussion about when "enough is enough".........when to "quit while your ahead, etc"......

Out of everything....the most strong and significant point I think made......

I should have already myself.............

There's a saying along the lines of "A very successful and wise man takes his own advice"...........

Ain't it the truth..........ain't it the truth.....

 

[Julian]

"The Wire" notes....

The start of the next and final season of "The Wire" was said to begin some time in March 2008.

The first episode of the final season will be on January 6th, (check time), but should be on OnDemand December 30th, sometime at or around 12am. (Like last season where they aired next weeks a couple hours after the "new" episode on Sunday evening.......)

(Sundays at midnight, although they never specify which time zone....and, not always on time...so...sometimes 12...sometimes 2?...sometimes not till next morning, etc, but, they are running at least the first one in advance like last season....)

Can check Wire web site (HBO).....

As a total and complete wire junkie.........makes me quite happy.....

 

[Julian]

Speaking of The Wire....

Season 5 short clip (making of...about season 5...)

Season 5 Marlo clip....

season 5 McNulty clip


Season 5 Omar clip

Season 5 Bubs clip...

Season 5 Carcetti clip


Season 5 specials,
"back to back" nights.....Thursday, Dec 20, and Friday, December 21 ​

 

[marto]

Yeah the wire is fukin awesome.......reminds me of the sopranos in that its layered real deep, alot of subplots and tangeants that have a story of their own but all tie together at the end. Those hbo writers have it nailed down......never be able to go back to regular network tv after watching hbo shows. Julian, this thread reminds me of the wire, every time i go back to read i pick up somethin new. And believe me with the wire i have to go back quite a bit at time. Like peelin an onion, many layers

 

[vod]

I love The Wire. Must be the best thing I've ever seen in TV. Can't wait for the final season

 

[moe]

the first season was too slow for me, so i stopped watching !
i prefer dexter or the shield

 

[Julian]

Well, always a given and the overview that you have to "give it a chance"...(The Wire", and, actually...I did the same (caught couple first season, not in order, didn'
t "move me",) but, of course, that's how it always goes for most......have to watch 2-3-4, etc.......and, as always said.....have to drop all pre conceived notions....

ie: You start to watch....think you know what it's about....then watch another episode........and, the more you watch, the more you realize you really have no clue what it's about .....

Unmatched complexity to it...I truly believe it to be imo the most raw and complex work ever written (film/tv, etc....)

Kind of funny (sad...) that as it has proceeded views stats have just started to grow and it's being killed......

Unlike any show ever aired.........and, definitely the most raw.......

Lot of people compare it to Soprano's, but, as a Soprano's fan from first episode, first season (I must have turned 500 people onto Soprano's over the years), doesn't touch it......ie: Soprano's about a man and family.......Wire about a city from bottom to top....

Dexter another I was into from first episode....thought was okay.....was good...I really don't have many things I "watch" (ie: religiously.....), but, this season Dexter a whole new show and I'm pretty into it.....writing changed, acting changed, tone of show changed, etc (more serious.......) Good show though (Dexter).......

Wire though?.........most accurate, complex, and raw show ever aired........

One saw something with one of the writers about how if they wrote it for the network....would not even come close to what it is....they write it for the people who live the roles.......that the recognition is the opinion of those characters in real life.......

Yeah, Dexter an underrated show I think...this season got better (right now my only "show".......done in couple weeks, then Wire starts, so........at least I have one show to watch (soprano's ended, Dexter started, Dexter ends, Wire starts, etc......only watch couple shows...(Weeds, but, it's a little "too cute" for me.....****in pisses me off sometimes........I guess a good example of "writing for the network" , because that's sure not what the viewers seem to want from it (silly, goofy, inaccurate, etc.......)

Although what would that show be without Kevin Nealon and cousin Andy? ("What do you call the space between the dick and the asshole........the coffee table" .......humor's the only thing that saves that show ......)

On a similar, yet different note .......I read an article on the guy who manufactures/produces the fake plants.............quite a business he has actually from what I read...........making fake plastic/silk green for sale.................what a world ....

 

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Just wanted to finally contribute a little something. Can't believe it didnt strike me earlier.

There is a lot of talk concerning water crystals, no maintenance, soil conditions, prep work, etc, etc, in this thread, and I noticed that an excellent contributor towards these goals have been largely overlooked. Beneficial bacteria and fungus.

As of now, Im sure everyone has heard of AN's Piranha, Voodoo Juice, etc. but the price and rate of application make it seem like a hard sell for an outdoor grow, causing most to overlook it. This is where I'd like to contribute what I know.

AN produces excellent products, and promotes a 'tech savvy, high profile' image to their line. Not everyone wants there hand held through plant nutrition however, and wants to know WHAT, WHY, and HOW about their nutrients.

For a primer on Mycorhizal fungi, check the pinned thread at the top of the Indoor Hydro sub forum and this thread, http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=1393519#post1393519. Essentially, they colonize your plants roots, increasing there surface area allowing greater water/nute intake, chelating nutrients for easier uptake, and increasing resistance to disease and pathogens. All important things for an outdoor grower looking for no maintenance.

When using the Julian strategy of holes, native mixed with custom dry mix + wet and dry crystals, before rains, the idea is to do as many things as possible to help the plant 'grab' as fast as it can. One more tool in the bag of the outdoor grower should definitely be beneficial bacteria and fungi.

If you have any experience with growing mushrooms, you may have heard of a technique called liquid culture. Ganja growers know this process too, but refer to it as brewing compost tea. Essentially, you add spores to a nutrient broth, where they germinate and begin to colonize the medium, creating floating 'clouds' or colonies of mycelium and bacteria, multiplying them exponentially. They continue to grow until the nutrients are used up.

By removing a portion of the myceliated broth (1/100th to 1/500th the total liquid volume) and using it to inoculate a fresh batch of nutrient broth, you can 'run with the mycelium' expanding it to amounts only limited to your available space and labor capacity. The mycelium continues to expand further, when added to your grow media, increasing the cost value continually. All this from as little as one tablespoon of inoculate.

This culturing process can be done with any beneficial product on the market, including AN's line. Fungi.com produces wonderfully diverse endo/ecto mycorhizal products, as cheap as $2 an oz, capable of treating 50 gallons of soil or water DIRECTLY! That little pouch, along with a jar of molasses, will keep you swimming in beneficials for years if managed properly!

Applying them is as simple as mixing as much as you want into the water that you swell the crystals with, and the water you use at planting. Simple as that. If you use rapid rooters, or jiffy plugs, you can hydrate them with the beneficial tea, colonizing them before the plants even get there! When those plants hit the ground outside, the beneficials will continue to colonize the native soil, improving it further, and increasing your efficiency once again.

Finally, for anyone not willing to mail order or go through the culturing process, Espoma makes a product called Bio-Tone. Amazing product. $25 for 25 lbs. Has every species of bacteria and fungi listed on the label. Made with feather meal, kelp, rock phosphate, etc, completely organic, and made specifically for 'tough planting conditions'. Great product to use in your dry mix. Hell, use bio-tone in your dry mix, and water with tea, best of both worlds! Not to mention, using bio tone as your liquid culture innoculant would probably give you a lifetime supply, easy.

Well, that is all. Just wanted to try to help in some way. Now its dinner time.

 

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Well said.

Has someone read their Stamets?

Peace, Love & Coco