MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

****ing-A man, full circle......wisdom dude, and I still say! a sage! what else, ha ha

Humbled..........sincerely.....

Just an addict doing what I have to..(What addicts do...)...

"Hey.....My name is Monty......and..........I'm an addict"......

Really, I laugh at how willingly you give out just good talk, it makes me feel closer to someting better ...(could use prettier words, but not trying to be TOO spiritual here) It's been a very worthy and true read. ****ing mind expanding, I know I've said that one too already, just cementing my appreciation of some good old here ya go truth.

We all view, use, and treat site in different ways........

I come for the discussion.......(I learn just as much as anyone else......discussions always get my mind going also .....)

Sincerely glad of use......that you drew something out of it.......Glad able to offer something of use.......

(Sure, you look around and see threads and posts about such topics, volume.......but, those speaking with authority tend to be the smallest with the most limited of accomplishments, no exposure to what they spout, therefore, worthless commentary...................)

You don't ask a mechanic how to make a wedding cake, now do ya ....

I tend to speak only about things I have firm and direct knowledge of...(Because if I was to offer commentary about something I do not..would be absolutely worthless....)....a shame most don't

I come from a "can" world.......I spend all my time thinking how to overcome the obstacles that lie between me and what I want....

I think most know the phrase "Your biggest enemy is yourself......your own mind".....

Got some bagseeds popping under floros right now....thinking of next season (maybe, if power/temps allow, can do indoor) never really tried cloning, so hopefully by January I can have done 50+ cuttings...

Now's the time to be thinking of it, planning for it.....thinking of approaches...developing an overview of what one would like to do (usually when I am full on.....I'm perpetual.....ie: Late May my mind is already shifting to next yr.....depends...this yr I planted through whole season to end.....so..little less focused.......so, didn't really start to ponder until last round planted (as I always do....was just later date.....)

But..........

How you do it, is, you work your way backwards from your target dates (planting...) ie: You say by January 50.......what then..(you could be in a different climate and be talking a winter run, so, if that is the case, forgive me.......).....

You start at your target, and work your way back (so, if someone establishes a May 15th target......how is one going to proceed?....If clones?...well, then should be rooted last week April more or less, which means should be taken 2nd week April, which mean moment need appropriate time before that, etc, etc.....

You start at the end, and work your way back....

(Now, once into season, and, depending on how one is proceeding, gets easier....again...why I prefer seed best, minimal lead time....so.....)

On that note also is starts, space....size......Lot of people run fewer because less space, and, get them out larger, when, really, they would perform better out then in, and, give them more time to get used to environment, etc.....(I used to do that....) So.....I always say don't hold onto them too long....should go out asap, and, one can then begin working on future rounds if they desire......

Want to do spring...but dont want to get over ambitious on real early stuff, then no time for later season....not enough veg for spring growth really....still...I'm sure Ill experiment with something, got lights? got dirt? got spot? weather permits? try it out right...whole attitude...gameplan...

Remember the basics........the entire season is much longer than most give it credit for.....so.....long season....can do whatever one likes, whenever one likes.....ie: All focus on getting everything out "early"......

Means nothing......only size.....Can plant May......can plant June....can plant July (and even July plantings can get large and yield well........)...can go even later for last rounds........

Who knows?...I might decide to do something mid season, minimal lead time...and, take the first half off ...enjoy summer .......

You can do whatever you want...no single fixed approach...

Let me get another question off before the thread dies though....im living, renting, in a very small house, valued at less than 50k for certain, maybe 35....thing is its zoned for commercial...i could extend walls/rooms and do a lot of stuff, but the property is right next to a commercial division, cant be rebuilt in any ways (as I understand) there are other houses nearby, 20 in one mile radius or so, just scattered around somewhat,15 minutes from downtown area....

See I would kinda like to buy, very affordable first buy for me...very isolated esp compared to other housing in city, but the property is across the street from a few shops, and has foundation damage, walls cracking....suppose best thing it has is being so quite a street (non business hours) and still so close to dwontown...

"Foundation damage" not a good thing ...so....

On a different note...houses for 50k?....you could work at Burger kind and qualify probably .......50k?...That is one (area) where you can accumulate rentals easily, and, a level which they carry themselves most likely (rental pays for property...)

I remember when a lot of very nice areas were that much....(some more, etc....I was hanging out in Phoenix when you could get 4bdrms,3 baths, pool for like, 60k...all were no money down and assumable...my FIRST reaction was "I should ****in buy as much as I can out here"... Didn't...because was a stranger to such matters....one of those things....Had chances to buy islands in Bahamas when younger for less than 100k...now most of them 3-5MM....)....Those are good values.....(now, some areas of course you have the issue of economic problems......regarding values, etc, but, rentals always sound, (in such areas and at such price levels)and, even if one doesn't see the back end (appreciation), your still keeping it covered......

bah, maybe, maybe not, hundred other properties everywhere right, but I'm gonna need more verifiable income to finance much for myself, through lender....ie. need mo money, off to craigslist...trying not to resort to restaurants just yet, though the flex hours would help a lot with side ventures Ive been looking into

Well, was lecturing today.......

The MOST important thing is your pointed in right direction........then, ANY step taken is towards end result.......Lot you can do man (****, lot anyone can do......), and, something else overlooked is people always have a reason why THEY can't..(everyone else can, but, they can't....)

(Kind of like the growing ...)

I come from extreme poverty......no education (8th grade.....never went to HS), when I started everything that, accompanied with no legitimate work experience.....and, at the time, no money at all....(I ended up at 0 when mid/late 20's due to....certain events...........no education...no job history...no credit....no knowledge........Had to start from cratch...(and was cut off from my guys , so....had no choice but to get out and try and do something, etc....)

And now you have all the above ......

You know.......very small people can talk all the shit they want.....(as they sit in their "armchair") The fact of the matter is, indeed, there is enough in this thread to get anyone, anywhere, anytime, everything they want....using any number of ways, or all combined..........in how long?...up to you......

Even a homeless guy.......

thanks again, I'm sure many have been humbled while reading your wealth of knowledge here....675(ish) posts? lol, thats quite nice of you

I usually try to keep it at 400 or less.......just seemed to have a momentum of it's own......

 

[Guest]

"Hey.....My name is Monty......and..........I'm an addict"......


got me laughing ... the work is all wrapped up & here i am already thinking about my next grow .. what is wrong with me? LOL!

btw, my mid-july from seed plants turned out to be the best of the year...

live long & prosper!

 

[Julian]

got me laughing ...

me too .....

the work is all wrapped up & here i am already thinking about my next grow .. what is wrong with me? LOL!

I wonder .......

Good........glad to hear.......

Same as above brother....Congratulations....you won ...

(Know you had some problems earlier on too...yes?........so, extra nice all turned out well.....)

(I had some pretty serious problems early on also....should have bailed on entire season, but, was already pretty deep into it , so....did what I could, and, let it roll ...)

Thinking bout next

Well....****......now's the time to do so .......(I actually feel a little behind if I wanted to do another run....didn't start thinking about it till recently...usually I'm on it much sooner...much sooner......)

btw, my mid-july from seed plants turned out to be the best of the year...

Mine too.....(city mini's always best quality also..)..I like the latest best...always do...always have........

live long & prosper!

Thank you..........you too my friend........you too........

Glad you wrapped it all up safe.........

See ya at the next meeting

 

[DaDank]

Once Upon A Time...In a Grow Far, Far, Away...

Once Upon A Time...In a Grow Far, Far, Away...

I have enjoyed all y'alls input because I am reading what are clearly hard won experiences. (though I hope not so hard as to involve (gulp) hard time...)
I find there are many threads - here and elsewhere - where you veterans shake your heads at the rookie, wanna-be, in-their-dreams, overnight-big-bucks growers.
It is clear that arriving at volume grows involves more effort than can be imagined, and taking a lot of lumps. But for everyone, there is a 'square-one'. A grow where you experienced your first sucess (from a personal or financial point of view?). Now that harvest anxieties have subsided, I'd be curious if you vets - who continue to have "WINNING" seasons - can recall that 1st successful grow. What made it work? What did you do right? What would you never do again if you had to start all over. If these memories are not too dim, or too painful, I'd appreciate benefiting from them. I have no dreams of "massive grows". On the other hand, I'd like to get beyond this first square.
In hope of reading your recollections, I congratulate all those who WON in this past season. Beating The Man must be very satisfying.
Thanks!

 

[Guest]

How you do it, is, you work your way backwards from your target dates (planting...) ie: You say by January 50.......what then..(you could be in a different climate and be talking a winter run, so, if that is the case, forgive me.......).....

Nah, meant like, plant 10 or so now, clone tops after few weeks, kill a few(expecting it anyway) by january, have successfully clones 50 nice plants, get hang of it, make mother out of fem beans or any beans if i can sex, which shouldnt be problem

How you do it, is, you work your way backwards from your target dates (planting...) ie: You say by January 50.......what then..(you could be in a different climate and be talking a winter run, so, if that is the case, forgive me.......).....

You start at your target, and work your way back (so, if someone establishes a May 15th target......how is one going to proceed?....If clones?...well, then should be rooted last week April more or less, which means should be taken 2nd week April, which mean moment need appropriate time before that, etc, etc.....

Yeah, exactly, and its what I've been looking at also, was at first wanting to do 100ish in may, not wanting toi handle something that big bushy, now thinking 4 5 patches of 50-100 minis in mid July (few at start still)....thinking of how many mothers, clones prepared, when to cut, etc....(handle ** plants/hour, dirt day, nute day, water day, plant, chop, etc, see what I can do as i go)

And to any of those that feel 3 or 400 3-4footers is too much for someone with only a few grows, I'm SIMPLY going for less exposure, and more risk reward, proper due (insurance against me getting hit with my own PS, anyways)1-5lbs same penalty in my state, unless fed charges, no cultivation, so....couple sets of 4-5lbs...besides, its seriously hard for a lot of my good homies to get good buds sometimes, and how am I supposed to let that happen?

If I am a bit of a newb, MAYBE more likely to make mistakes, but should be narrowed to more likely to only growing mistakes so I should make sure feel safe and secure, and figure Im gonna **** up a whole patch maybe, another gets discovered, who knows, one flooded...just making sure I'm come out with good buds, and hash, and a smile on my face....

anyways...know what I mean lol

I tend to speak only about things I have firm and direct knowledge of...(Because if I was to offer commentary about something I do not..would be absolutely worthless....)....a shame most don't

direct experience, lol, makes me think of how rude I feel it is when someone who doesnt own a corvette goes sputing off the horsepower/torque ratings...lol...I'm not a snob, I'm just like man, get your own story, lol

 

[Julian]

Yeah, exactly, and its what I've been looking at also, was at first wanting to do 100ish in may, not wanting toi handle something that big bushy, now thinking 4 5 patches of 50-100 minis in mid July (few at start still)....thinking of how many mothers, clones prepared, when to cut, etc....(handle ** plants/hour, dirt day, nute day, water day, plant, chop, etc, see what I can do as i go)

Well, mid July not quite a "mini"......but, not quite large....(strain dependent, how large you get em out, etc...)

Key to anything is having a "system", method of approach which brings you optimal efficiency.....lot depends on your soil.......methods used, etc...My last runs I was doing almost 100 an hour. (minimal holes, good soil...)

Smaller ones are no problem cutting...no problem at all. Very simple, very easy, very quick....one of my last rounds (not mentioned here really), probably cut about 500+ of em in less than an hour.....(Last pic above...2 footers more or less...spaced close....2 seconds to cut each one...)

And to any of those that feel 3 or 400 3-4footers is too much for someone with only a few grows, I'm SIMPLY going for less exposure, and more risk reward, proper due (insurance against me getting hit with my own PS, anyways)1-5lbs same penalty in my state, unless fed charges, no cultivation, so....couple sets of 4-5lbs...besides, its seriously hard for a lot of my good homies to get good buds sometimes, and how am I supposed to let that happen?

Ahhhh........"Those who feel"..............

Until they do it themselves, I would say they can "feel" what they like....Sad truth is most who "feel", should "do" instead before they speak..

After you "do".......maybe one would "feel" a little different

Couple hundred small ones is nothing....(biggest issues are water and harvest....regional issue dictates watering issues...all issues for that matter....

Really, region (rainfall) and soil dictates an entire project, and all issues.

If I am a bit of a newb, MAYBE more likely to make mistakes, but should be narrowed to more likely to only growing mistakes so I should make sure feel safe and secure, and figure Im gonna **** up a whole patch maybe, another gets discovered, who knows, one flooded...just making sure I'm come out with good buds, and hash, and a smile on my face....

anyways...know what I mean lol

Yeah....as an actual grower, I do know what you mean .....

The fact is the above is correct, for anyone, anywhere, anytime, any numbers.You always do more, and budget for loss...

Problems, mistakes.......all have to do with prep and planning (knowledge included.....) The entire point is self awareness of as many aspects as one can grasp.....The more you are prepared, the less potential mistakes and losses. Anyone, anywhere, anytime.

direct experience, lol, makes me think of how rude I feel it is when someone who doesnt own a corvette goes spouting off the horsepower/torque ratings...lol...I'm not a snob, I'm just like man, get your own story, lol

Depends how the statements are made......to speak with authority and never have driven one?....sat in one?...owned one?.....well ....

Lot of that going around........I find it more amusing than rude , but, displays a lot about person, character......who they are ...

 

[Julian]

I find there are many threads - here and elsewhere - where you veterans shake your heads at the rookie, wanna-be, in-their-dreams, overnight-big-bucks growers.

"Veterans".... "experts" ...Sure, but you will find that the majority (almost all) are "veteran" small time growers...(it's laughable actually to me ......the absurdity is beyond measure..) Their problem is they do what most of society does, which is they relate to everything based upon their experiences...(The flip side would be I do the same, but in reverse....I don't raise an eyebrow at many things people consider "impossible"...)

First off, numbers are secondary...People get wrapped up in them....Me? I couldn't even tell you what I run...I have no idea......I have an approximate idea...due to supplies, pots, etc...but, where it ends up?...Couldn't tell ya....(because when out of supplies I restock as needed until I declare myself "finished" )

Now......those with actual experience....and actual knowledge, and actually have trained people......understand that, and of course know that volume is not something one just decides to do.....almost never is, almost never has been....

It's a gradual process which 99% build up to based on their knowledge, experience, and comfort levels.....

I would not speak for others....(for many reasons ) but I know what I find is that it is due more to one not having a firm understanding of any or all aspects one may encounter during a project, be it large or small (let's face it, the only difference between 10-100-1,000 is prep(effort), space,and manpower regarding water issues and harvest issues.

Best thing one can do?

Grow.....

(Personally, my position is of course that one should not even hit boards until they have read everything they can, and then one can probe further into various subjects.....As above, this and other thread....I do the same for people I train personally...I throw them 10 books and say let me know when done and do not call me to ask me anything until finished.....)

Or I just sit them down and couple hrs later we are ready to go........(basics not hard to absorb.......could train a monkey within a day....have )

The real reason it's silly?

As above.....numbers are secondary......

You simply grow....

Numbers work themselves out.......

It is clear that arriving at volume grows involves more effort than can be imagined, and taking a lot of lumps.

Very simple to not only imagine, but, I could describe it in depth

Simplicity of any op (outdoor) depends on your region and rainfall and works it's way back from there regarding what potential issues one faces.....has to deal with, things which must be addressed......etc....

Now......the "veterans", the "experts" ,seem to overlook, (interestingly enough ) the most basic aspects, which is you budget for loss and you do more than you want. ...

Any outdoor grower, large or small, should exceed their desired end numbers to start with...

The more you do, the more they are spread out, ensures a greater chance at bringing home something to satisfy.... Period.

But for everyone, there is a 'square-one'.

Yes.

To grow .....(again, numbers mean nothing, they work themselves out)

A grow where you experienced your first sucess (from a personal or financial point of view?). Now that harvest anxieties have subsided, I'd be curious if you vets - who continue to have "WINNING" seasons - can recall that 1st successful grow. What made it work? What did you do right? What would you never do again if you had to start all over.

Mine was above. I would do nothing different.

What made it work is knowledge and hard work.

I have no dreams of "massive grows".

Neither did the people who run them.... ......

Just works out that way ....(real growers know this ), and would not provide statements implicating anything else...

On the other hand, I'd like to get beyond this first square.
In hope of reading your recollections, I congratulate all those who WON in this past season. Beating The Man must be very satisfying.
Thanks!

It is. Very good......as in "ye shall I walk through the valley of death, and I shall fear no evil, because I am the baddest muther****er in the valley" kinda good way (not my quote, from some flick...)

Just learn, and grow...(and, of course, take with a grain of salt those who discuss or dismiss things they themselves are unable to accomplish...those who are negative...etc... ).

You become who surrounds you

Like anything in life.......run first batch.....confidence there....and on it goes into future.....

I laugh when I see a lot of things.......2 kinds of people in this world.....those who are "You can't do that......" and the "Eh...it's easy.....I'll show you how".....(both of course doing the same task...one insecure....misery loves company kinda thing........You succeed, and your "better" then them...and, it's always quite opbvious people having a problem with ones accomplishments surpassing their own ......Makes some people very uncomfortable ....)

I'll close with this to make my point .......
Every single thing I do in my life....personally...professionally....were things I received resistance and unfavorable commentary from, received from people around me......

Well......they're still the same place they were 15 yrs ago ......

Probably always will be......

Ignore negative, absorb positive. Learn.....best things one can do for anything, anywhere, anytime.....

The negative most of the time are the most unaccomplished....

 

[marto]

Hey Julian, thanks for taking the time give this online study coarse. Im sure it came at a time when you had a few other things on your plate ...lol. So lucky for us that you enjoy interaction more than mindless tv. I like how you tought security and safety as priority one. Those may be the most important posts we ever read. One issue that keeps naggin at me is google earth and how large growers like yourself see it in the whole scheem of things. Lets face it some of your grows are more than a smudge mark. I mean we can all see our roofs and count the cars in our driveway with the software supplied. I suspect the feds have somethin in real time with mucho mag. So i guess my question is should we be losing sleep over this( notice how i waited until after harvest to mention it). I guess we shouldnt worry about things we cant control.........however.......

 

[Julian]

Hey Julian, thanks for taking the time give this online study coarse.

Glad of interest...something of use.....

Im sure it came at a time when you had a few other things on your plate ...lol.

(heavy sigh...) always do....always do..........(in all actuality, probably helps me blow off excess energy anyway.......while I always have a lot to do...sometimes so wound up (energy).......whatever I have still not enough ...

So lucky for us that you enjoy interaction more than mindless tv.

Nah, as above.....I'm one of those who are always doing 10 different things......right now this window open, 3 others with charting for tomorrows market, flipping through to see what's on cable actually,(wondering if any Cris Angel on) listening to some tunes, (later Michael Schenker solo stuff borrowed from someone..) and, checking travel websites.....(and, have 3 open bids on watches on ebay ......)

I like how you tought security and safety as priority one. Those may be the most important posts we ever read.

Well, it is........could be most competent grower in the world, with the biggest budget, and, most trustworthy crew............but....if not secure........all means nothing....

People get sidetracked with details........I find an overview easier....which is bringing them in......why end of season always the hardest..(at least for me....I go through more stress in last month than the entire season combined....)

One issue that keeps naggin at me is google earth and how large growers like yourself see it in the whole scheem of things. Lets face it some of your grows are more than a smudge mark. I mean we can all see our roofs and count the cars in our driveway with the software supplied. I suspect the feds have somethin in real time with mucho mag. So i guess my question is should we be losing sleep over this( notice how i waited until after harvest to mention it). I guess we shouldnt worry about things we cant control.........however.......

As above, earlier, elsewhere...I like it as a general tool and use it to my advantage, and, regarding what you mentioned, not as much a concern, as I stress (always have) spreading everything out....so "smudge mark" (I liked that one.......)I consider them such as far as overview/aerial.....

People have to remember that aerial surveillance, while a constant nagging concern.........they don't cover every sq. inch of the country...(I've never been in field without planes passing over.......most of the time everyone dives for cover.......I don't.(this entire year I broke and dove once .)......their tourist aircraft......not low enough......so.......people forget about small airfields...tourist aircraft....private aircraft...etc (for many, flying is a hobby...I know 2-3 people who own small aircraft....just like guys who take bikes out on weekends.............so.....)

I disagree (can't control).....Of course, you can't very well control the aircraft and flight paths, but, you can control your own behavior, approaches and methods...(again...why I always stress spreading everything out......makes the difference between stealth and not......)

Gotta spread em out.......have to......key to success......

What they are looking for, and, able to spot are larger plots......so......you don't do larger plots.... Now...some will say "well, you said you do city plots of 700 or more....."........sure, but, as above...those might be worked in to vegetation single file over a mile or two.......2-3 footers...surrounding vegetation 4-12ft........Some might say.."Well, you said you do patches up to 100, some with 15+ footers"...yeah, absolutely....but those 100 might cover an area the size of a football field and in no specific pattern.....

Key is spacing.....always...(aside from late planted runs.....which you cross over from visual to depth perception.........as earlier in thread....if something nearby to measure against..(single story building, car, garage...etc), well, one observing them casually from a distance would not think immediately of it due to depth perception of things surrounding it....

One of reasons why I stress spots dictating the approach and method......

Discovery usually a result of a weakness in approach or method....so.....


Edit: How safe is ones plot? Stealth?.....Well, the way I always approach is you approach and execute always with the objective that what if you were LE ...

Nice cages btw .......

 

[Guest]

Every single thing I do in my life....personally...professionally....were things I received resistance and unfavorable commentary from, received from people around me......

Ahhhh yes, as both of my favorite knowledge lovers would agree....(emerson and nietzsche)

How do you measure the truth/freedom in an individual? By the resistance they have overcome

not quoted, but loosely, dog-earred in both books for sure, but so are about 50-100 pages in same books, lol

though sometimes I forget this fact myself, but....unfavorable commentary, think that stretched the perspective on the stance....overcoming the naysayers, anywhere, anytime, anyhow, right? lol,

this thread is great, like the growers wisdom guide book or some shit...but I'll gladly take it as a thread, smoking smilies and all enjoyed...lol

 

[Julian]

though sometimes I forget this fact myself, but....unfavorable commentary, think that stretched the perspective on the stance....overcoming the naysayers, anywhere, anytime, anyhow, right? lol,

Well...........as above........2 kids set out on same course......One becomes Steve Vai and the other a packer at UPS......

One man becomes CEO of GE and the other does oil changes at Jiffy Lube.......

One becomes a jet flying video taping wealthy man (Forgot his name love his story....fukin guy from "Girls Gone Wild"........and the other? a tech at a car dealer........

And so it goes............

We all start the game (life) at the same spot for the most part.......

Life clearly separates the different kinds of people...(or do they themselves do it to themselves.....)

I'd rather be in the former group.......and not willing to give audience to the latter...

People's perspectives and views on things are always based on their own experiences......

Nothing good can come from listening to people tell you you can't do something....(eventually, you believe them......and, inevitably....off to UPS you go )

(Now, to anyone who by chance works at UPS, no offense intended, just picked a company and job out of the air.....and, not insinuating anything at all is wrong with 9-5 "average" jobs..(everyone should have one, if just for benefits package, insurance, etc), but, could do 100 other things....many regular people, with regular jobs buy homes, invest, open business's, etc, etc......so, my intent was only to address I guess "The 4 senses of self "

My position pretty much is: "You are who you are, what you are, because that is what you choose to be at this moment"......

Which again comes full circle to how did one become one, and the other what they did?.......

I think it all comes down to a single moment in life........a single thought......and direction....one had a different thought from the other......and turned a different way....nothing more......

Which goes to "dreamers"........

Well........I have news for people who ever use such a word....(which I find offensive....)

Every single thing that exists through the history of man was a thought before it became a reality....

The is nothing in life that was not a thought in someones head first.......Hmmm....a "dream" if you will ....

Even green... (I often wonder who was the first and where did they come up with "Hmmm....I think I will dry that shit up and put it in my pipe and smoke it" ......same with mushrooms....someone "Hmmm....I'm gonna eat that shit" ....

Everything in life, larger or smaller, originated from a single persons thoughts ...

Anyway...sure point made .....

Those with no "dreams" seem to be guaranteed that UPS job (again, no offense,...sure no one who works there wants to anyway )

this thread is great, like the growers wisdom guide book or some shit...but I'll gladly take it as a thread, smoking smilies and all enjoyed...lol

Very kind of you to say.....Glad of use and interest.........(Actually more glad of use than of interest......

 

[Julian]

And to any of those that feel 3 or 400 3-4footers is too much for someone with only a few grows,

I will be summarizing this shortly (eventually, whenever, soon)......(showing exactly what that is...)

Amusement is guaranteed...........

On that note (amusement)

"When it comes to Americas biggest cash crop, the stakes aren't the only thing that are high"



(the cover of "Homegrown"...been on my desk for a couple days.....hoping to get to it today, and, might share it with several who might also find it of interest ..and then pass it around of course..)

 

[Julian]

You know......I'm even more amused when I log on, browse forums, and come across people talking shit about me, but don't address me.....(Which, I hate to inform, automatically tosses the ability to call yourself a "man" right out the window....congratulations...will you be having your "sweet 16" party at home? or at the galleria )

I can talk a little shit too......but it would all be precise and accurate....

Such behavior is beneath me....(as a "man"...) but, not sure if I can pass, so....that might be including some with the above also.....I'm thinking about it.....(and, I'd have a little more to say about a couple people......)

"men"..."veterans"...."experts"

Not what I call em.....(and remarkable they have the ego and imagination to refer to themselves as such...)

Have something to say?....here I am....grow some balls and say it...

 

[motaco]

"have something to say?... here I am... grow some balls and say it"

well I don't know who you're talking to but if you're talkin to me I'll say what I said IN your thread if you really want me to. but trying to get people that disagree with you into your thread might not be the best COA. IMHO. Which is why I didn't say it in your thread, not because I'm a pussy but because I ain't tryin to start shit in your thread.

But anyway since you asked for it I don't think advising people to commercial guerilla grow in urban areas is very bright. Unless when you think "urban" and I think "urban" we're thinking of different things.

I started out 13yrs old growing in overgrown backyards of abandoned houses, etc in new orleans. Which is what comes to mind when I think "urban" grows. and I consider it up there with the stupidest shit I ever did in my entire life. And I thank my lucky stars I got old enough and smart enough to never do something so stupid again.

I was very careful about it, I never got caught and it worked. It was also incredibly stupid.

You're thread is pretty good, you spent alot of time building it and there is alot of useful info in here. I'm always VERY happy to see people put effort into a thread with info the way we used to at OG. Mine, yours, babba's. pipedreams, subys and a very few others are built in this fashion.

But the commercial growing in urban areas leaves me no doubt to the extreme potency of the weed you're smoking.

 

[Julian]

well I don't know who you're talking to but if you're talkin to me I'll say what I said IN your thread if you really want me to. but trying to get people that disagree with you into your thread might not be the best COA. IMHO. Which is why I didn't say it in your thread, not because I'm a pussy but because I ain't tryin to start shit in your thread.

You can easily make any statement you like, for, or against anything I may say, and, that is always welcome.....Called a "discussion"....I'm a man,satisfied with who and what I am, with nothing to hide....therefore, nothing I have a problem addressing or discussing in a civil matter...

Yes. I do prefer people address me instead of speaking about me...

I'm sure you do also.....

But anyway since you asked for it I don't think advising people to commercial guerilla grow in urban areas is very bright.

I started out 13yrs old growing in overgrown backyards of abandoned houses, etc in new orleans. Which is what comes to mind when I think "urban" grows. and I consider it up there with the stupidest shit I ever did in my entire life. And I thank my lucky stars I got old enough and smart enough to never do something so stupid again.

I was very careful about it, I never got caught and it worked. It was also incredibly stupid.

So, then we leave growing at exactly what?......

That we determine who grows? That we determine where they grow?....even that we determine how many plants one should grow, based on our opinions.....

Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it......yes that is where such things lead......

Last time I checked.....growing in itself wasn't very bright, no matter where, or when, or how...

(or, again, shall we determine who does what and where and when....)

Personally? I have on and off for almost 25 years,(in volume) and, the last spot lost was the first in about 10 yrs...(I did about 20 city spots this year)

We can debate traffic of said spots all we like...you based on your experience and opinion, me based upon mine, so, let's use this test for people who might like to utilize what I consider the most abundant tapped resource we, as growers possess nationwide....

You want to use a spot?...leave a pack of cigarettes and a 6 pack on ground....****...maybe even plant one plant.....if still there in October...you have yourself a good spot....(or, you can just browse and find people more than willing to tell you where you should grow, how you should grow, and even how many plants they find it acceptable for you to grow......by their opinion of your knowledge, area, experience, resources, etc.

Edit: A good private spot is a good private spot...could be deep in city...could be far out suburbs....depends where you are...."good spots"....imo.....can fall anywhere, anytime.....sometimes close, sometimes far........no traffic, wooded, private....

I pulled 500k in last 5 yrs from spots within 100' of new homes/condos,with a crossing 200' away, and 8 lanes of traffic within a block.

Fact.

You're thread is pretty good, you spent alot of time building it and there is alot of useful info in here. I'm always VERY happy to see people put effort into a thread with info the way we used to at OG. Mine, yours, babba's. pipedreams, subys and a very few others are built in this fashion.

I would say thank you.....very nice of you to say, aside from the fact your statements elsewhere indicate you didn't even read the first post, let alone thread.....(since you call me a liar, because there are no pics, yet 11 in first post alone.....)

First post......

Thank you anyway....nice of you to say....I suppose it's the gesture that counts.....)

But the commercial growing in urban areas leaves me no doubt to the extreme potency of the weed you're smoking.

Unless I am that much better a grower than most, with that much better strains then most.....(Both untrue), the same as you..

I'm an outdoor grower in a major metro who likes and needs his volume with limitations.......I do, and use what I have to, to get the result I desire...

I wouldn't say an insult is necessary because I do, and have done things to great success that you do not...or that I utilize that which I have to work with in certain areas....

Otherwise spoken like a gentleman,(minus the insult at the tail end....but, wtf) and, nice to see someone behaving as an adult would...

Anyone else?

 

[motaco]

well I ain't gonna argue with you.

I think the benefits of planting in remote rural locations over the unused backyard of a business or something is pretty obvious.

I'll just say like I said in the other thread. Fishing toast out of the toaster with a fork might work. but it don't make it a good idea. and when it bites you in the ass you'll realize what a truly bad idea it was.

 

[Julian]

well I ain't gonna argue with you.

I had no intention to, and, if I wanted to be difficult, I could have gone into a lecture on a thing called the internet, and a mouse, and links, and how they all work......)

But I didn't......

No argument here........

I think the benefits of planting in remote rural locations over the unused backyard of a business or something is pretty obvious.

Of course. It is.

My large one, far...I have 4,000 acres to utilize bordering another outrageous total, unpopulated.

Do you?

Neither do most.....

Considering any given metro population is beyond 2-3-5MM people, including those who have an interest to grow......I would feel safe to say many have no other resort....

and when it bites you in the ass you'll realize what a truly bad idea it was.

Just like an indoor, just like an outdoor, just like 20 plants can, just like 1,000 plants can.....

Such is growing....

 

[motaco]

alright look dick. I'm being civil with you if you wanna start shit about the STUPID and DANGEROUS shit you told mostly highschoolers to do we could.

But like I told you the reason I didn't start shit is I didn't wanna **** up your thread and have responses edited out and shit like you did in the beginning. (so you clearly don't actually want shit in your thread or you wouldn't ask mods to get rid of it)

oh BTW you didn't have pics when I first started reading this crap moron. thats why I said that.

YOU are the one that ASKED people to come argue with you. so don't spout shit when I POLITELY said what I had against you.

I'm not going to argue with you anymore and have you take more shit out of context but YOU are insiting people to fight with you on the INTERNET and tell other people they can't call themselves "men?

seriously dude wtf. don't be a loser. you built something cool don't act like an asshole.

you really wanna pick fights? well thats what ignore is for. phuck off. ask for criticism and can't take it.

 

[Reibsi]

We`ll i weigh in here and say that their`s no f`n way i`d try a grow inside a city.......to many homeless people looking for a place to crash........I find it hard to believe that their are locations that no ones ever been......i mean you get people cutting across old properties.............vagrants searching for bottles or anything else they can sell.........crack dealers setting up business in old over-grown city lots........thieves checking everyones backyard for an easy score...how be it plants or a lawn mower or BBQ....I can`t see anyone getting away with anything sizable............I`m not knocking your thread Julian because theirs lots of use-able info packed inside these threads.

 

[Julian]

alright look dick. I'm being civil with you if you wanna start shit about the STUPID and DANGEROUS shit you told mostly highschoolers to do we could.

Where was I not civil? Dick? Is that the best you can do?

Stupid?

Your....calling me stupid?

The guy that doesn't know how to use the web and a mouse?

C'monnn..........

And I'm stupid?

Not only are you one stupid ****.....but, your quite a funny guy

But like I told you the reason I didn't start shit is I didn't wanna **** up your thread and have responses edited out and shit like you did in the beginning. (so you clearly don't actually want shit in your thread or you wouldn't ask mods to get rid of it)

I have no idea what your referring to....one person removed their own posts I thought...I really don't remember......

Confrontation is not something I have a problem with..(yep, I have balls......or do you want a picture.....)

oh BTW you didn't have pics when I first started reading this crap moron. thats why I said that.

Every single pic in gallery is attached to a post, and were uploaded prior to that post. Fact. Period.

More pics attached to more posts throughout course of thread.

At least follow through and say you didn't know.....

YOU are the one that ASKED people to come argue with you. so don't spout shit when I POLITELY said what I had against you.

No........I said that anyone with something to say, should say it.....

Frankly, was done, and your the one who took it in this direction....(Do you know what I mean dick?, or are you stupid? )

I'm not going to argue with you anymore and have you take more shit out of context but YOU are insiting people to fight with you on the INTERNET and tell other people they can't call themselves "men?

No.........someone who skulks around talking shit about someone when they have not even read one post of a thread and tries to cover their own stupidity is certainly not worthy of it........

I only insisted that such address me if they have something to say....

seriously dude wtf. don't be a loser. you built something cool don't act like an asshole.

Dick, stupid, and a loser?........when I come and offer what I can in good faith only to have substandard small growers speak ill of me, not addressing me?.....

you really wanna pick fights? well thats what ignore is for. phuck off. ask for criticism and can't take it.

Actually, I took it rather well... you were the first to take it south....

Now take your stupid dumb punk wannabe ass the **** outta my thread....

(speaking of galleries...nice one you have there....if you find any plants that you grew....let me know which link......)

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