MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[WyattHerbShiva]

... this sounds a bit like the grass-story from T.C Boyle


maybe i´ll find the time to read ALL this...,
but from the views of your gallery i get the impression
you are blessed with awesome amounts of guerilla space,
ha ve the skills, strains and time to do all this.

...stay safe.

Wyatt.

 

[Julian]

... this sounds a bit like the grass-story from T.C Boyle

Don't know it........do they run AF's/Mini's?

maybe i´ll find the time to read ALL this...,
but from the views of your gallery i get the impression
you are blessed with awesome amounts of guerilla space,
ha ve the skills, strains and time to do all this.

...stay safe.

Wyatt.

The larger, 4,000 acres several hours out....bordering more, unpopulated for the most part. Strains?....I buy em ....skill and time?...Do what I can brother.....do what I can......(climate-rainfall allows no maintenance for the most part if I get everything in right time/right way.....)

I think this is the last one with that partner and that location, so......something different always in the works far before .....

Well...if you get to it/through it, hope of interest....

 

[Julian]

Note: We are going to start running the bubble earlier than usual...(usually we wait until winter....snow...ice, etc)......but, location with trim getting a little full .....so, we're going to start running it today....(and in the process grill about 50 burgers and about 25lbs of steaks and such ...) Maybe some pics if any specific "scene" that "moves" me ....

Maybe a pic or two of yield for a run (we shoot for 1/2lb or more per run)...I just do runs until bags can no longer drain,(too much resin in bags to allow water through) then, empty, then, start more runs again, etc......

 

[Julian]

i get the impression
you are blessed with awesome amounts of guerilla space,

Btw.......I do, in fact, consider myself very, very lucky, and, truly blessed to have access..........very, very rare location (private land,secure, no traffic, no eradication efforts for the most part)........was pure chance I hooked up with that one...pure chance........

A very lucky man I am......and I give thanks for such frequently......

Frequently ...

 

[WyattHerbShiva]

...hmm,

not that you really could, would or should go
into Detail - but how does one sell these big amounts of weed,
without having to deal with people one would rather not have any contact with??

I´d hate to pack a MP5k all the time.

That´s the point where my commercial-plans
always came to a halt.

Do you have a Truck coming to pick up the harvest
in fall.... and bringing it to the local bikie-hq?

After all, we know how harsh the laws in the US can be,
and so there could be bandits attracted as well.

...have u got a militia to protect ya? Blackwater...,
is the local sheriff an uncle of yours?
or do u guys all live armed to your teeth?


curious,
Wyatt.

( the book: "Budding prospects - T.C Boyle" good read, u will like)

 

[Julian]

...hmm,
not that you really could, would or should go
into Detail - but how does one sell these big amounts of weed,
without having to deal with people one would rather not have any contact with??

Lot in thread.....I go back almost 25yrs with my guys, so....always goes same sources...no money exchanged..(Someone drops you a package, you call them when you have whatever.....restock, etc, etc...all on fronts.....rolling balance with minor oversight....never a problem....) Sometimes new people but they are always at least 3-4 people removed from bulk locations.....it's all spread around....(thin actually...never want too much at any one place.....)

I´d hate to pack a MP5k all the time.

Why, you don't like MP5's?...they rock

Do you have a Truck coming to pick up the harvest
in fall.... and bringing it to the local bikie-hq?

All depends on how much that round is.....sometimes larger, sometimes smaller, sometimes hung out, sometimes taken wet...all depends......I started this year early, so...got spread out...was nice steady work pace actually.....(didn't expect some things to come in as early as they did....some things came in later, etc, etc....got spread out pretty nice.....) Trim and dry also spread out.....rented places, couple, etc...gets spread out before hand......doesn't all go in one load and then split....split on site more or less (based on wet weight...sometimes one a little over, sometimes a little under, but, close enough for the most part.....)

...have u got a militia to protect ya? Blackwater...,
is the local sheriff an uncle of yours?
or do u guys all live armed to your teeth?

Well, I'm of the school even a old widow schoolteacher should be armed....so ......Someone always waiting to take what you have....even if old lady with $1....so......

Uncle Well..I'm no stranger to the "good ole boy" network

( the book: "Budding prospects - T.C Boyle" good read, u will like)

Done....going to have someone grab me a copy....(will look up online and read through overview....) Never heard of it.....don't read too much fiction/novels, etc...(maybe not fiction, but, you know what I mean....mostly stick to things such as Art of War, I Ching, etc, and then technical stuff.....textbooks..legal, finance, etc.....)

 

[tripples]

this thread has been an enormous inspiration.. id just like to say thanks for the heaps of information thrown at us in this thread..

 

[pakalolo420]

Auto large scale is doable. If it hasn't already been done, its only a matter of time. There are back forties on many a big farm where an acre or two 60 days plant until cut wouldn't be the craziest thing in the world to do. The potential upside...

J- planting seeds straight in situ- It can work and work well too. But. It takes a lot of seed. I figure maybe 5 grown from 100 seed. Sometimes more, occasionally even most, often few or none too. But obviously you've gotta make your own seed and you'll need kilos of it (not as hard as it sounds with autos) to do it large scale in situ.

I'm not sure the genetics are in place yet, you need something reliably auto, potent, and it must- must breed pretty true (maybe two or three phenos max none bad) and not reliant on heterotic (hybrid) vigor because obviously buying seed in that quantity on the market is just too much investment at the front end.

I did some posts on OG with some experiences doing urban guerrilla and what works, or is likeliest to. I did quite a large spot right next to a busy road suburban too and it worked great. Aerial detection is really really difficult in urban areas, there's just too much visual clutter. Any spot you could leave 20 dollar bills with rocks on top of them and come back and find them will be private enough for shorties. And there's a LOT of little places like that in every city, even the big ones. Of course there are reasons these spots go unvisited- spots where the only litter you'll see will be windblown- they are counterintuitive places to go. You might need to make a very discrete doorway in a cyclone fence or two... it's an art, but the cool thing is the time and money investment can be minimal so even if you lose 2 out of 3 and plan for that, you should be OK.

 

[marto]

Hi Pakalolo, how big was your average plant when you did your autos. Did you veg them under 24hr light before putting out. How would you do it Julian? any indoor veg to bulk them up. I read that theyre very small otherwise.

 

[pakalolo420]

The only autos I've grown are as a pheno of some very skunky affie I used to run back in the '80s mostly. I've always preferred to roll the dice with large plants, but J makes sense talking smaller plants and compensating with more numbers + spots.
I've grown minis, but never on purpose. Growing big plants is fun.

Once I'm convinced someone has a line that's worthy, I'll consider making up some seed in quantity and give it a try. I think there are clearcuts here where one could hike into once the planting crews are out with a couple of kilo of seed (~125,000) plant into the dirt and realistically have a good chance to get a couple thousand 60 day 2 foot minis. You could do a lot better with some good soil, good weather and good luck. And if you don't water or tend once you've found your spots essentially all you've invested up until you begin pulling males is a day or two planting and a bag of seed you earlier made yourself in another spot, maybe even the same season. Don't forget your seed crop will still be primo for hashmaking once you've winnowed most of the seeds out.

Spots where it'd be frankly stupid to do five month trees could probably work great for little two month girls that are harvested before anyone LE and rippers both are even seriously looking for them.

 

[Reibsi]

The Auto strains are the way to go.............i mean grow...I`ve been growing the same strain for 4 years now and with a lot of fine tuning and the addition of Liquid Karma and a few foliar applications of CBB and Scorpion Juice i`ve seen my yield go up from just over an ounce per plant in year 1 to over 2+ ounces per plant this year.....no difference in the size of plant i put out just better food. Every 60 plants i put out gave me between 8 - 9 lbs of kickass Afghani....with one site coming in just under 10 lbs.

the bonus sides of growing these plants are

: no outdoor veg period required
: no digging of holes....i grow most of my afis in pots.
: less trips to the woods
: no run off of valuable nutes....it all goes into the pots and not the surrounding soil
: plants are small and hard to see..
: plants can be moved at a moments notice...not like a Giant plant in a hole.
: several harvests per year are possible.........i ran 3 separate runs...3 weeks apart.
: very hard to detect from the air.
: very easy to clean...2 people can clean 20 afis roughly every 1.5 hrs (trim-pro)
: no scwagg on the afi's (small stuff)...plants tend to fill in from top to bottom.
: no worries about helicopters because your long gone before they start their patrols
: clean up at years end is a breeze....just pour the old soil in feed bags,hide the pots and take down the fence..........no worries of some local yocale finding your holes because their isnt any.
: and the best part of all.........High quality AAA medicinal smoke....i kid you not.

:

 

[WyattHerbShiva]

Done....going to have someone grab me a copy....(will look up online and read through overview....) Never heard of it.....don't read too much fiction/novels, etc...(maybe not fiction, but, you know what I mean....mostly stick to things such as Art of War, I Ching, etc, and then technical stuff.....textbooks..legal, finance, etc.....)

Well, ...no fiction... It´s fiction as good as yours,
because if i trust you understanding SunTzu´s Art of War
then all of this has never taken place
and you must actually be a very good fiction writer,
who is paid by LEO

.. you will enjoy - it´s about the hassle for a big grow op
in California - with water being one of the major problems
and the most common flaws in stoned humans


Cheers from here
whs.

 

[NPK]

The book you guys are talking about is called Budding Prospects: A Pastoral. Haven't read it (yet! lol), but I've read T.C. Boyle's The Tortilla Curtain and loved it. Great stuff. Thanks for the tip, WHS, I could do with a little fictional escapism right about now.

 

[Julian]

this thread has been an enormous inspiration.. id just like to say thanks for the heaps of information thrown at us in this thread..

Glad of interest and something of use......Very kind of you to say....

 

[Julian]

Auto large scale is doable. If it hasn't already been done, its only a matter of time. There are back forties on many a big farm where an acre or two 60 days plant until cut wouldn't be the craziest thing in the world to do. The potential upside...

Well, probably not 60 (little longer...), but, you can't forget the basic overview (Being of course risk is at zero until into flowering.......if not zero...minimal......6" vegging plants are not going to draw a problem ....(same with regular season...May?.....I couldn't be better...June? all is well...July?..Love the 5th but they're starting to get pretty big and make me nervous..August?...uh oh...., etc, etc, etc....

Early season, or small veg (late season, any time..) Not something which I personally have ever found anything significant (as far as third party observation........

Whole discussion has kind of gotten of track....starting with city, mini's, etc.....

I'll make quite a firm statement...I would even lay down money any serious grower here could walk a stretch anywhere, anytime and miss 6" ers .....(assuming not looking for them to start with, and, other vegetation in area........1-2 acres?...****.....100 acres would not be a problem......when they start to flower? ...there's your problem Profile and appearance changes, etc.....

I'll get one done......no problem.....just waiting for right spot (one secure for about 45 days.......early veg, small never what concerns me....)

J- planting seeds straight in situ- It can work and work well too. But. It takes a lot of seed. I figure maybe 5 grown from 100 seed. Sometimes more, occasionally even most, often few or none too. But obviously you've gotta make your own seed and you'll need kilos of it (not as hard as it sounds with autos) to do it large scale in situ.

See.......now, we discussed that before and not sure if I could bring myself to do it....(ie: 5/100, etc).....might be more work, but, you know, I can get some help...I prefer to do them and make sure established....or, in these cases, at least coming up and fine.......Current spot can do large volume for just a start if all other elements in place....

Stock issue , and, fem concern was more having to do with stability, etc.....Could easily do a fem run of an AF......I just wonder how it would turn out.....etc..if would be all stable...etc..(You know, I wouldn't want to choose something, not know a problem until project underway and then hear "Ohhh...yeah, they're not stable/hermi prone to start with ......ya know?..)

Plus, I know from doing them many times (late/mini's, etc)....can't have male/female...spacing too tight...if you really want max efficiency, has to be fems..(no way to walk through and pull them...I mean, they're small to start with ....ie: I just recently cut a mini round, and, to cut em basically was on hands and knees, as is the case when small, so...can't have any tight spacing because would be no efficient way to sex....too tight spacing, too small....would have to be fem for it to work (a lot/spaced tight, etc....)

I'm not sure the genetics are in place yet, you need something reliably auto, potent, and it must- must breed pretty true (maybe two or three phenos max none bad) and not reliant on heterotic (hybrid) vigor because obviously buying seed in that quantity on the market is just too much investment at the front end.

Yeah...something I say/have said frequently...(pricing, front end, etc...) I think they are a little too much, considering...if fem?.....would be a little better, but, yeah,...I do draw the line at some point....(Have actually had conversations about fronts on seed orders before....now and then get batches of some things with bad germ rates...high mutant rates, etc, and,...eh, don't think it's fair.....This is a business like any other....delivering sub standard product, for what is not necessarily cheap and having no recourse.....eh...I'd rather run my own stock.....(It should be noted......germ rates on my own stock surpass most of what I buy......so....I mean....whatever ....On such batches would make more sense to just pay for their time (3 months to do the seed run) then to pay for each individual, etc.....

I did some posts on OG with some experiences doing urban guerrilla and what works, or is likeliest to. I did quite a large spot right next to a busy road suburban too and it worked great. Aerial detection is really really difficult in urban areas, there's just too much visual clutter. Any spot you could leave 20 dollar bills with rocks on top of them and come back and find them will be private enough for shorties. And there's a LOT of little places like that in every city, even the big ones. Of course there are reasons these spots go unvisited- spots where the only litter you'll see will be windblown- they are counterintuitive places to go. You might need to make a very discrete doorway in a cyclone fence or two... it's an art, but the cool thing is the time and money investment can be minimal so even if you lose 2 out of 3 and plan for that, you should be OK.

Did you???....a shame...would have loved that...(I mostly was sticking to Security and Legal over there and staying a little more low key, quiet, etc (like I should be doing now ).....(Actually, OG.....my position was I was officially "retired"....and, would just do couple pics in gallery every now and them...very few knew different from the above

I haven't really had any significant losses though in the city /urban spots.......not really....(Should especially always go straight fem...leave em, etc......can't affford to be coming and going...too risky to start with......)

AF city runs in May? .......Well, would have pulled every single one I did this year (didn't lose my one bigger city spot until early August I think......so.....)

Urban virtually no aerial issues.......no aerial eradication efforts for the most part in most major metros....(People will say they do flights for fleeing suspects....well, they're looking for someone...not plants...) People will say they do aerial in outskirts...well...I've never seen such in my metros....so...(Maybe Cali they do........not in areas I do or have done.....)

Was actually thinking about putting up a pic of where the largest one lost was ...Might be of interest ..(was great spot...yrs I got out of it ....)

Didn't come in till about 6-7am this morning.(realized no sleep since Thursday night.....)....doing bubble runs all day and night yesterday.....(forgot camera in car..) so...maybe when I run some errands later...camera already in car, I will take a good shot of the one city spot ...

I think it will truly surprise most ...

 

[Julian]

Hi Pakalolo, how big was your average plant when you did your autos. Did you veg them under 24hr light before putting out. How would you do it Julian? any indoor veg to bulk them up. I read that theyre very small otherwise.

Well, my understanding..(have never run AF's) is there is essentially no , or very little veg, and, should be set up asap....

I would germ as I do mini rounds (peat pellets, I get get huge numbers in very small spaces.....peat pellets I can get 4,000 every 7 days ready, like clockwork)...I would just do peat pellets, and, the minute fairly established (within 7 days, like mini's) get them out and then just start more rounds.....Current veg spot though is now dead (which had 4,000 capability), so...I would get another space that I could get maybe 10,000 every 7 days and set it up.....(about a 5k set up...nothing big....as earlier in thread pics attached I can get about 2,000 per 8 x 8, or 400 slightly larger ones per 1k in early veg...I don't like any kind of power draw in veg though...kind of kills the safety...so, maybe do a 3-4k and try for like 6-8,000 at a time....)

But.......

Since I have never run them before, I very well might alter the way I do something...etc...The upside is like all smaller ones, they can be done in more open spaces, hence better sun and wind, which of course take care of you on your yield ...(My city stuff just kills ......quality if just awesome........pure sun, constant wind..out in open......stuff is closer to indoor.....no one would know the difference.....very clean stuff....very clean.....)

 

[Julian]

The only autos I've grown are as a pheno of some very skunky affie I used to run back in the '80s mostly. I've always preferred to roll the dice with large plants, but J makes sense talking smaller plants and compensating with more numbers + spots.
I've grown minis, but never on purpose. Growing big plants is fun.

Never on purpose .....

I love em..(small stuff..)..all reasons mentioned, and, was lecturing yesterday on stealth........

Okay, so, your walking...talking.......whatever (in woods, forest, anywhere)....Let's say your 5' 10' (an average between men, women, old, young, etc.....).....Your line of sight is not to ground level everywhere.... Your line of sight is face level...with glances towards where you are walking of course, and, occasional glances around.....

Now......

Anything face level?.....a 6 footer within 30-40-50ft?......good chance of being spotted..(line of sight ...).......but, if general vegetation is 2-3 ft..........and, what you have is topping out at that?

People don't see it.....It's not in line with their natural sight lines.......

Most underestimate the role of psychology and human nature in growing, site selection, etc .

Once I'm convinced someone has a line that's worthy, I'll consider making up some seed in quantity and give it a try. I think there are clearcuts here where one could hike into once the planting crews are out with a couple of kilo of seed (~125,000) plant into the dirt and realistically have a good chance to get a couple thousand 60 day 2 foot minis. You could do a lot better with some good soil, good weather and good luck. And if you don't water or tend once you've found your spots essentially all you've invested up until you begin pulling males is a day or two planting and a bag of seed you earlier made yourself in another spot, maybe even the same season. Don't forget your seed crop will still be primo for hashmaking once you've winnowed most of the seeds out.

Well, another thing people forget.....(I thought I was going to end up running a seeded city for bubble...) Plus, see, that's why I go back to the above (fem)......when small, spaced tight...can't get in there to sex man....especially if more, larger plots.....so...me?...I'd germ and make sure all well, and, then plant by hand..(if good soil...same as I do for mini's...except might amend a larger lot/spot in it's entirety before I planted if doing huge are.....that way weed out the runts, things that don't germ, etc, etc, so...every plant makes it, etc..The other thing which relates to mini's/Af's which I have done in past (late season though, mini's)....

In areas which have a lot of grass, lush areas, etc....I've gone straight in late, and, let that grass gro0w , and your looking at what appears to be from a distance simply an out of control lawn (seriously...you'd have to get pretty close to actually see, and, if behind privacy fences, etc....eh, not a big deal if right location......(I've done pretty big lots/yards in past.....one has to do it to believe it........the stealth...just funny ....) I have done almost 1/2 acre lots in past with late planting/mini's, so.....1-2 acres not that much of a stretch...but, they weren't done with peak efficiency, spacing, etc.......

Spots where it'd be frankly stupid to do five month trees could probably work great for little two month girls that are harvested before anyone LE and rippers both are even seriously looking for them.

That's the whole concept

The spot dictates the method

People tend to dictate the spot by their method

 

[Julian]

The Auto strains are the way to go.............i mean grow...I`ve been growing the same strain for 4 years now and with a lot of fine tuning and the addition of Liquid Karma and a few foliar applications of CBB and Scorpion Juice i`ve seen my yield go up from just over an ounce per plant in year 1 to over 2+ ounces per plant this year.....no difference in the size of plant i put out just better food. Every 60 plants i put out gave me between 8 - 9 lbs of kickass Afghani....with one site coming in just under 10 lbs.

the bonus sides of growing these plants are

: no outdoor veg period required
: no digging of holes....i grow most of my afis in pots.
: less trips to the woods
: no run off of valuable nutes....it all goes into the pots and not the surrounding soil
: plants are small and hard to see..
: plants can be moved at a moments notice...not like a Giant plant in a hole.
: several harvests per year are possible.........i ran 3 separate runs...3 weeks apart.
: very hard to detect from the air.
: very easy to clean...2 people can clean 20 afis roughly every 1.5 hrs (trim-pro)
: no scwagg on the afi's (small stuff)...plants tend to fill in from top to bottom.
: no worries about helicopters because your long gone before they start their patrols
: clean up at years end is a breeze....just pour the old soil in feed bags,hide the pots and take down the fence..........no worries of some local yocale finding your holes because their isnt any.
: and the best part of all.........High quality AAA medicinal smoke....i kid you not.

Well, and forget the aerial...on foot people have to be basically right on top of them to see them.......

But, I'm curious.....I myself would do straight in ground.....wouldn't in ground be less work and lower your profiles? (and in the meantime increase your yield?....) I always do straight in ground due to my soil......sometimes holes, sometimes not....but, seems that pots always going to limit your yield (somewhat) and raise your profile overall of spots.....(For holes I either use the augers or mini's I do by hand but pretty quick....last rounds this year I was doing 100 per hour....)

Now, when I say doing holes actually less work, meaning your prep, your hauling, filling, etc...compared to a single haul on site and prep, etc....

I'm with ya.......same reasons I would list in general.....I'm really getting sold more on the AF's though..(Because can do a May run).....been thinking for a while (as earlier in thread)...just been waiting for better work to come out..... Saw/heard of something of interest to me (as above, AK/BB)...sounds interesting enough to peak my interest greater .....

 

[Julian]

Well, ...no fiction... It´s fiction as good as yours,
because if i trust you understanding SunTzu´s Art of War
then all of this has never taken place
and you must actually be a very good fiction writer,
who is paid by LEO

you will enjoy - it´s about the hassle for a big grow op
in California - with water being one of the major problems
and the most common flaws in stoned humans

Yep.

 

[Julian]

The book you guys are talking about is called Budding Prospects: A Pastoral. Haven't read it (yet! lol), but I've read T.C. Boyle's The Tortilla Curtain and loved it. Great stuff. Thanks for the tip, WHS, I could do with a little fictional escapism right about now.

I've really never heard of it before...(I only read the above.....)

I was under the impression non fiction, but, states it is fiction (which a must I assume for such topics ...) Little confused, but, going to read it anyway.......

Edit: It's kind of funny to read the reviews one it, what people say, etc .....the reviews were enough to get me interested..(some which seemed to speak from exposure liked it....many claiming silly, inaccurate, etc...(I'm tempted to believe it's more the former.....just by those statements )

Life can get pretty unbelievable at times ime ...