MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

Damn man, stitches and all? Sounds like you had things taken care of professionally there (Injuries that is), always the best way to go. Especially with outdoor wire and animals.

I took that down....damage, and damage control done....seems under control and think I figured everything out....

Definately a more active person than I am, I do a lot of walking but not much more strenuous outside of work (Moderate to heavy lifting involved pretty often, lots of walking/moderate activity). I'm too skinny to be a fat lazy slob, but probably 2 out of 3 ain't bad, eh?

Eh, you might surprise yourself given right motivation/adrenaline ...

On reporting the dog, personally I'd go for the report if you were attacked out of the blue by an animal. If it'll attack you (A healthy adult male), then it's likely to go after others as well. Assuming that the dog attack was unprovoked. In my experience, an animal that'll attack a grown man unprovoked is a dangerous thing. You'd know the circumstances better than myself, but keep in mind you're probably not the only person around there on foot if there were 5 witnesses.

You missed something also .....

It's done. Not going to discuss it further...Under control...

What precautions, if any, do folks take to deal with/avoid/deter animal attacks? Dogs, any wild critters that may be lurking out there (Snakes, what have you...). My woodsmanship skills are sadly atrophied by turning into an urbanite. It's not something I see talked about all that much really, which I assume is because such encounters are pretty scarce in the grand scheme of things, but it's something that it doesn't hurt to be at least halfway prepared for.

I'd say go Jeet Kune Do. (But, actually, I think it all depends on the individual, as some things fit specific people better than others..) Mind, body, spirituality I think (just me) more the focus....(And people misunderstand violence to begin with (underestimate?)...the nature of it.....there's no mats and spirituality in the street....no exercises...What your looking out for is a finger, knuckle deep into your eye or a smashed larynx....) I think misunderstood...

I think animal issues are misunderstood.....I've actually had a lot of encounters recently...(some quite funny.....found myself face to face with a big ass possum on night mission planting couple weeks ago )

(I'm really against harming animals unless absolutely necessary......)

 

[dj digigrow]

ey, julian I thought you were always holding when you went jogging??.. shouldve bust a cap in its ass..lol
glad to hear your ok though...

 

[Julian]

Thanks....(you got it? )

All is under control.....

 

[Pimpslapped]

I'm slow sometimes, but have to take your being here and chatting to tell it's own story. Glad things are under control, gotta make sure to keep on top of things as they develop. OK I'll just strangle curiosity before the kitty croaks, smile nod and say no more.

I might surprise myself if put into dire circumstances, actually I have an inkling of what I'm capable of when I snap. I ain't a fighter, but I also know my limitations and generally take that knowledge into account... All's fair in love and war.

Jeet Kune Do is nice and very effective, undeniably. I just don't find it as attractive, personally. We've all got our own tastes and should play to our strengths as much as possible... and motivation/enjoyment of what you're doing is not something to ignore.

I'm personally against harming animals as well, generally against hurting anyone or anything without good reason. What I'm curious about is what advice folks here may have for dealing with animals or avoiding/deterring them.

 

[Julian]

I'm slow sometimes, but have to take your being here and chatting to tell it's own story. Glad things are under control, gotta make sure to keep on top of things as they develop. OK I'll just strangle curiosity before the kitty croaks, smile nod and say no more.

Not great?.....but.......Eh, could be worse I suppose

I might surprise myself if put into dire circumstances, actually I have an inkling of what I'm capable of when I snap. I ain't a fighter, but I also know my limitations and generally take that knowledge into account... All's fair in love and war.

I think most would be surprised, but, depends....some people?...they get paralyzed, some act......All about focus I suppose which determines....and, I think some can switch from one to the other, etc....

Jeet Kune Do is nice and very effective, undeniably. I just don't find it as attractive, personally. We've all got our own tastes and should play to our strengths as much as possible... and motivation/enjoyment of what you're doing is not something to ignore.

Definately different things suit different people....

I'm personally against harming animals as well, generally against hurting anyone or anything without good reason. What I'm curious about is what advice folks here may have for dealing with animals or avoiding/deterring them.

Most animals I think aren't confrontational to begin with..(But, then again, I don't face Bear...so....I think if confrontational then you must be near a home, nest, babies, etc...(ie: They take off vs. stand ground, etc..) and, you don't want to have to deal with that anyway, so...I would say that spot might be a pass Not a popular school of thought....My guys are all hunters to, so, their first reaction is "Fuck it, just kill it"...





On a different note, someone sent me something of interest and I think a really good example of the stealth power of smaller plants.....(A vid....they're smaller ...but, numbers are anyones guess. ...good example I think of many spread out, small, over lot of ground, worked in to surrounding vegetation...)

One can see.....sometimes even standing over them have to look closer ....

One will also see, at end....if one observing from any distance whatsoever.....absolutely no solid visibility....

Pretty much textbook.......exact mirror of all discussions.....

 

[pakalolo420]

Like that vid. That's some exotic lookin' ditchweed. The ground looks like it'd been actually flooded recently, not just standing water but flowing. Cannabis BTW is generally fine- happy- with that for brief spells as long as the roots aren't exposed. In nature the seeds are spread by flood and wild cannabis will commonly be found growing at high flood point from the Spring where the seeds will have floated in and settled on the rich alluvial soil. I've had plants in low areas be flooded briefly by thunderstorms several inches deep for an hour or so and then actually go on a growth spurt afterwards.

 

[Julian]

Like that vid.

It really "moved me"...because, if I was to walk the tracks.....that's basically it....that's the concept......smaller....vegetation surrounding...worked in........that's it.....I thought a lot coult get something from that.......fully illustrates stealth issues....

I've had plants in low areas be flooded briefly by thunderstorms several inches deep for an hour or so and then actually go on a growth spurt afterwards.

I've had the same in low areas in certain spots (country...)....lot of times lower areas lightly flooded........lot of times....Once this year, but, not serious...we weren't sure how much, and wondered if they would still be there ....ie: a true flood....waters, currents, strong......wash a lot of heavy debris, etc....didn't know how serious it was until we got a look....(And then I assume that buys me basically solid veg maintenance free for the next month ...

 

[Guest]

thats a big grow..

 

[Pimpslapped]

Veeeeeeeeery interesting...

Thanks for the vid, Julian. You're right, it does illustrate much of what has been discussed here. It's gone a long way towards helping me get a viable mental image of what is possible.

You are right as far as I know about most animals being non-confrontational unless provoked. Though in a semi-urban setting feral/semi feral dogs could likely pose a bigger danger than people might think. Much more prone to attacking humans than any wild animals are likely to be.

Good info on the flooding too, I hadn't really thought about flooding being problematic to cannabis, since most plants seem to survive it okay I always assumed this one would as well. But it's good to have confirmation, especially for those like me who only have container experience (And containers are a whole nother world when it comes to water issues, compared to good ol' mamma Gaia.)

 

[Julian]

Veeeeeeeeery interesting...

Thanks for the vid, Julian. You're right, it does illustrate much of what has been discussed here. It's gone a long way towards helping me get a viable mental image of what is possible.

Textbook........textbook example.....perfect example.....

You are right as far as I know about most animals being non-confrontational unless provoked. Though in a semi-urban setting feral/semi feral dogs could likely pose a bigger danger than people might think. Much more prone to attacking humans than any wild animals are likely to be.

And, of course, Ving Rhames dogs

I know what you mean, but, you know what I mean ....

Good info on the flooding too, I hadn't really thought about flooding being problematic to cannabis, since most plants seem to survive it okay I always assumed this one would as well. But it's good to have confirmation, especially for those like me who only have container experience (And containers are a whole nother world when it comes to water issues, compared to good ol' mamma Gaia.)

Nah, your true issue with "flooding" is a true flood....waters...the current, debris floating and hitting them...also depends on how fast something dissipates........little water not going to bring heavy debris with enough force to hurt you and of course going to pull back fairly quick depending on location and grade to begin with......

(As above...I had something like that not too long ago in country locations, low ground....wasn't bad, and, worked for you for the most part.........buys you quite a bit extra time.....you know moisture not an issue, etc........)

Couple pages up is conversation relating to top/bottom, moisture, etc....relating to any situation.....and some pics to illustrate......(lot of people also do mounds for wet areas...works fine...top half aeration, bottom half extremely moist....

 

[Pimpslapped]

I know what you mean, but, you know what I mean ....

Yep! Just thought it made for an interesting segue. Animals are a subject that tends to be left out beyond keeping herbivores/omnivores from eating your plants.

Couple pages up is conversation relating to top/bottom, moisture, etc....relating to any situation.....and some pics to illustrate......(lot of people also do mounds for wet areas...works fine...top half aeration, bottom half extremely moist....

And some dig holes to catch rainwater, trenches/moats to channel water to the plants... So many different ways to make watering less of a constant chore. I'm playing around in my head trying to figure a moderately effective, simple method for making use of dew/condensation, but nothing really seems feasible to make the reward worth the effort involved.

Man, you know what this thread needs? An index.

So many useful little nuggets of info scattered around in the various posts by everyone pretty much. I need to take some time later and reread the whole thing from beginning (Again... ).. almost always find something I missed the first time through.

 

[dj digigrow]

over 18,500 views...
I think this book might be on the best sellers list..lol

 

[Julian]

Yep! Just thought it made for an interesting segue. Animals are a subject that tends to be left out beyond keeping herbivores/omnivores from eating your plants.

Agreed......of course, different people in different regions face different issues.......(What scares me most? fuckin brown recluse's whatever the name is .)....snakes the issue if backing off and estimating their strike zone, most other things it's a matter of what and where you are.......if just a common occurrence, they're scared for the most part....I've never had to deal with Bears, and, frankly glad....would [/i]really[/i] hate to kill one......Would really bother me.....(Aware, calculating, reasoning people are one thing.....an animal?....eh, I view them in a different light.......they're just trying to go about their business in a world that was theirs long before it was ours...ya know?....)

And some dig holes to catch rainwater, trenches/moats to channel water to the plants... So many different ways to make watering less of a constant chore. I'm playing around in my head trying to figure a moderately effective, simple method for making use of dew/condensation, but nothing really seems feasible to make the reward worth the effort involved.

Well, I was addressing more the flip side...issues when there is too much water..(which, again, I think is very misunderstood and showed examples earlier of my trays that sat in water...(ie: top have aeration, bottom half water...they do fine...akin to growing in mounds in wet areas, like many do.....works fine....)

So many useful little nuggets of info scattered around in the various posts by everyone pretty much. I need to take some time later and reread the whole thing from beginning (Again... ).. almost always find something I missed the first time through.

Thanks...nice of you to say......

Hope everyone gets what they need before in case they all happen to disappear ....



Have a lot of notes to add.......but, friggin exhausted.....maybe later....seems in my absence things are well (or so it seems and looks to be ......yes and no, notes later....)

 

[Julian]

Well, before I add anything, let me say I have no solid position, respect any and all participants, and, would never speak ill of any, nor discredit the same....

Just casual talking.....just real.......

you might also be surprised to find out.. eye gouges,,laryx grabs and the like dont work as well as movies and combat training leads anyone to believe. ..

You should get out more....I used those as examples because such are things that I've seen......we're talking real......

Which kind of leads to the reason why I said it and mentioned it....

I have seen more people with "training" (As I am sure many have) get lulled into a false sense of confidence inside a protected environment, to only be seriously hurt when getting into it with someone in a environment not controlled.....

See......in the world...it is kill or be killed......and, I think people have a problem understanding that, and that it is what is truly needed.....

You have schools......that, of course, charge money....... Few would be satisfied if their training took 15-20-25 years instead of much less.....(I don't think most would rise to the levels they do in their chosen arts in the native region at the speed they do.....)

I think the same applies to many who are armed.......to purchase,to shoot one thing......actually do what is necessary without hesitation as called for seems to be something many can't do, and, as such...(again, I am sure many would agree)....shouldn't have them then to begin with........

The same could be said that what happens when one applies a hold they have learned and the fucker take a chunk the size of a racquetball out of your arm..(seen that too.....)...or your ear.....or a nose......(much more common then it sounds...)

The laryx was referring to I once saw someone caught full force in the throat with the real end of a pool cue....

Only point I was trying to make, was, as above....not to discredit anything , or anyone, just point out the differences between controlled environment and spur of moment real life....

Your not facing an opponent who has been trained as you......and many may not be willing to go to the lengths your opponent will....and....not prepared to either............(Which means they have already lost even before it has begun.....)

 

[Julian]

over 18,500 views...
I think this book might be on the best sellers list.

Didn't even know......what's the other one?

Besides, not even scratching the surface yet...much more to add ...

 

[Julian]

So....some quick notes on various things...(was lecturing today.........)

I love Navigators.....I love Escalade's.......Their nice......their awesome.....Wish I could have 10.........Never will...........

Why?.......What? I don't like SUV's?....(said above I did....)......Ummmmmmmmm..................well.last time I checked....they don't have trunks!..... ...Thanks...but no thanks... (Worthless if you ever have to have anything with you....)

If I ever have to drive?......I always wear white shits.............why?....I like white shirts?

Not especially......But, you can see I'm wearing a seatbelt from quite a distance...... .......One less potential problem........Wasn't that easy?

I have to say also.......despite FMS PP's being near finished, and, some size to them ...I'm not thrilled......(Early and mid August is certainly no time for extremely large, solid buds.......those came down today, maybe a week early....more or less.......was mold on several.......rains come in, heat?...they'd be done....

Now, FMS Marocs?..... I'm fairly pleased....will definately run again.....very nice, big time resin.....right now for me about 1-2 weeks from done......and, with both above...of course, always nice to have some things coming in 1st and second week of August.. (Estimating....can't have things this early...I expected both a month from now base on what I had been led to understand......so....Woulod I do them again?.....PP?....Maybe under different circumstances and would want to find a very nice mother..(Variation little too wide...)...Marocs?.....Very pleased...will run them again....Not an extremely large yielder, but, again...as of today, quit a few very close to finish and very, very nice......(resin....quite a bit...)

Note: Some PP and Marocs might be up to 3 weeks...but, overall, majority would have been done next week and week after.....but, as said....rain and heat?...Nah.....far too much this time of season for them...(I expected first and second week Sept....not this early....)

Very happy with Marocs though (did I already say that twice? Well, then I must be...originally had planned running those on tracks.....absolutely should have........Absolutely...(could run full finish due to city reduced humidity and serious circulation and wind.....)

Checked on a couple spots....Some notes on "no maintenance" would be these are the ones that were shown earlier , which were straight in ground with hand spade, no holes, done maybe a month ago.(Not sure if the exact same, but, one of them because that entire location.Think that was July 1st more or less..First time I have seen any of them since then.. .. was planted same time, bunch of spots in general location (the "spot"...)......so.....further testement to no maintenance providing good locations and soil....Most spots looked okay...others better despite the rain... , some not bad,and, a good shot to show why I prefer everything toppped or fimmed....Not even starting to flower yet and 10ft+...(Those were supposed to be.....guess not .....)

(Reasons being tipping issues, weight issues, storm issues, and, of courrse, let's be realistic....HTF are you going to cut tops off if bad weather comes in when you can't fuckin reach em?..Should have been fimmed and then hit again......) As elsewhere....I never have problems with anything topped...only when not, so, didn't take whole things...just took some tops at risk....left everything possible...)

A lot of the largest ones in those spots about are the Power Plants....which, I am fairly pleased with so far, and, so far...are meeting my expectations...(Not ready to make an overall call yet until they're cut.......if they yield according with growth....if quality if what I expect......which is better than mediocre....well, then I will run them again.......a lot of things this run were "test" runs.....maybe couple hundred each (Marocs, Puprple Powers, Power Plants, etc...I've very concerned about the size of many not topped..(for above, strength issues, etc.....but, eh, overall, not bad......Nice to have a load in early August......albeit reduced and a little early.....Won't leave them out any longer than I have to, so.....We'll see how it goes.....a lot of those PP's should have been left another week.....no can do......

 

[dj digigrow]

Didn't even know......what's the other one?

Besides, not even scratching the surface yet...much more to add ...

Nah This is the best seller right here!!

 

[Julian]

Eh, you know how people are, they always wait for the movie ...(or for it to come out on DVD )

Nice of you to say though .....

 

[Pimpslapped]

Eh, you know how people are, they always wait for the movie ...(or for it to come out on DVD )

Nice of you to say though .....

Well, since this one's a free publication I think it's still a hit.

Mind you, I usually prefer books to movies, but movies have their place.

Nah This is the best seller right here!!

It's a work in progress though, if this is how the rough draft's taking off... imagine what the final product will be like! I wish I had more actual information to contribute here, but I figure if nothing else asking questions helps me learn. And doing so out here in the open ensures that the answers I recieve are open to all, so I like to think I'm a useful leech around here.

 

[Pimpslapped]

Only point I was trying to make, was, as above....not to discredit anything , or anyone, just point out the differences between controlled environment and spur of moment real life....

Your not facing an opponent who has been trained as you......and many may not be willing to go to the lengths your opponent will....and....not prepared to either............(Which means they have already lost even before it has begun.....)

One thing I have to thank my father for, gun safety and all that was taught from as early as I can remember. Also the #1 fucking rule: If you are going to point a gun at something, you better be prepared to pull the trigger without hesitation. Doesn't matter what it is, you do not point a gun without being completely willing to fire. One reason I don't currently possess a firearm, actually. Guns raise the stakes, once iron is pulled there's no happy ending.

You are very right on the controlled conditions vs real world. People tend to react instinctively and by rote in real situations. I mean, seriously... who has time to think when you're in a no holds barred throwdown? That is where training can be a great boon, as well as a hindrance. Since most people are trained to pull their blows without thinking, well... they're more likely to hold back a bit when the chips are down. At least in my limited experience.

Mind you, every person is different, they all react differently to situations and you will never REALLY know what you can/will do until you find yourself there. I consider myself extremely lucky in that I've managed to avoid such situations in all but a couple of very isolated incidents and those were minor. Hell, I'm a scrawny ass little white boy. But I bet I can run faster scared for my life than you can mad.

Larynx, eye gouges, etc... You know, I'm sure those DO work... but are not as easy to pull off as people think. Using enough force, angle, hitting the right spot. You're gonna need a lot of skill, luck and timing to pull it off.. and it may not work like movies popularize it... but it'll probably make an impression. (Though likely in order to take those strikes, you'd pass up other opportunities that could be just as effective)

pimp.. its capoeira is very cool.. there's two brzilians that teach it at the school I go too.. there's always a huge group playing music and they all have huge smiles on there face. ITs really really cool to watch and when I thought about joining a MA i thought that one was pretty much the coolest.

That's what attacts me to it. It may not be the most practical option out there and really no one style is complete, but that one just looks like the most FUN. I really don't know how good it is under real world conditions, but honestly that wouldn't be my primary concern anyway.

And I have to agree, Mr. Lee was a visionary. Mixed styles done properly is the best option. I've always believed that versatility is always the way to go. The more options you have, the more situations you can deal with (And this holds true for every aspect of life) though it does take the wisdom to know which options are best for a given situation.