MASSIVE OUTDOOR GROW

[Julian]

Eh, as long as something of use to someone....served it's purpose.......

Considering some things not as expected........considered quite a few (toooo many weren't topped when they were supposed to be ......larger city spot had some issues.......eh....all in all.....could be worse ....actually could be spun into a lesson about adaptation, expectations, spreading it out, etc....)

Things happen.....and, with numbers.....really none an issue which is a problem, so......

(Note: Actually....all issues probably my fault anyway.....didn't decide to really go forward until early April (last minute....really wasn't "feeling it" this year...), had stock issues....original plans were changed (this whole run was supposed to be nothing but straw diesel, blueberry, etc), started Jan 1st....Had some scheduling issues and didn't get things in when I wanted....had some city issues and got some in too early, some too late (relating to other projects and schedules....)

Think the above a good illustration about later in season (ones planted July 1st...small).....One of things I always try to firmly stress is season..(lot of people would consider season over July 1st.....July 1st ones might end up 9 ft...all probably 6 or more.....Could still plant today and might be pleasantly surprised.....(one will always note from pics many, many different sizes........1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12ft, etc......relates to rounds and when they were done....really nothing anyone, anywhere, anytime can't do for fairly cheap.....

 

[Julian]

Larynx, eye gouges, etc... You know, I'm sure those DO work... but are not as easy to pull off as people think. Using enough force, angle, hitting the right spot. You're gonna need a lot of skill, luck and timing to pull it off.. and it may not work like movies popularize it... but it'll probably make an impression. (Though likely in order to take those strikes, you'd pass up other opportunities that could be just as effective)

I still think you guys don't get out enough..(Be glad you don't.......)

 

[Pimpslapped]

I still think you guys don't get out enough..(Be glad you don't.......)

I make it a point to try and avoid getting in any situation where violence comes into play. I have done so most of my life and doubt I'll ever stop. I don't like fighting, I know that in a face to face throwdown most people will have advantages over me. So I try to live my life such that I don't end up needing to defend myself (Plus I have several less wimpy friends who owe me large amounts of money). I could kill fi I had to, but I wouldn't want to live with myself afterwards.

Plus, these days everyone is packing. Fuck that.

 

[Julian]

Well....kind of my point...people talk of "fighting"....The world I know is one where one wants to kill the other and if you don't, they will....(They don't want to perform any hold....they want to kill you. If they can get up?...They will kill you....If you leave them alive?.They will come back later and kill you...

Definitely a topic that will go nowhere. I was just sayin....

Wondering how those PP's will dry and cure....never had em...hope they'll be nice....Very happy with Maroc...glad I ran a test run.......will definitely run em again...(different way, different spots....Maybe, we'll see.........Looks good, sure will dry and cure nice (I'll know in about 3 weeks ) Very pleased so far with the Power Plants.....hear quality is fair....yield also...looking forward to seeing what they put out...

 

[Wu-Skunk]

Hay Julian
Next year I am starting a outdoor massive grow with about 500 plants from seed....
I am wondering if I pick only 1 strain or more different strains ....and what is best indica /sativa or sativa /indica for best yelding outdoors....the seeds will be cheaper and for about little money...like Skunk#1 and Purple strains....
Love your threat...hope you will respond...
Wu-SkunK

 

[filimagno]

i can't imagine in october there will a jungle indeed....big up julian!!!

 

[GorillaGrower]

Yeah I totally see your point julian.. but being someone whos had his nose almost bitten off by an attacker.. and being someone whos ripped eye brow rings out, and someones ear half off there head.. I truly know what happens in a fight. you do what you can to get out of something ugly. And I know from experience.. training bjj would of let me finish those confrontations with damage lessend by me and attackers. ie I can get "anyone" off of me,, I can put people to sleep without hurting them.

Your point about training is so right on. Most martial arts your buying a black belt in 1-2 years. That's it. In my school I know a police officer that hasn't gotten past white belt in 11 years! : D either ya got it or you dont.

The best part of bjj and judo for that matter.. is that you can practice the moves at full force(ie you can practice takedowns, control, and finishing) without hurting anyone. The whole part of training in BJJ is your fully sparring 90-100% to either get away, or finish.. and practice makes perfect.

Pimpslapped "You are very right on the controlled conditions vs real world. People tend to react instinctively and by rote in real situations. I mean, seriously... who has time to think when you're in a no holds barred throwdown? That is where training can be a great boon, as well as a hindrance. Since most people are trained to pull their blows without thinking, well... they're more likely to hold back a bit when the chips are down. At least in my limited experience"

What most dont realize.. is that practice makes it so you "react" and use muscle memory to instantly "go to work" so to speak. What you also get from this is.. timing. Its tough to explain .. but once you've spent 100s of hours fighting with your hands.. you start to get a "feel" for how much time you really have. You'd be surprised to find that you have all the time in the world.. .. It's much like learning to play music or video games.. at first it seems overwhelming.. to many notes in the timing.. to many buttons to remember... But once its commited to muscle memory.. your instincts take over.

btw it felt great to choke the shit out of a air marshall last night!! it was so .. tension relieving.. ya know what I mean?

From all the links of MJ on youtube and such.. I started looking around.. anyone else find this one http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=brwndirtwarrior check out episode 1 and 2 .. Its not about necessarily minis but is about what when and how.. and you got to admit.. the guy's truck does kick ass. its got to be one of the bstt cut vids out there.

 

[Julian]

Hay Julian
Next year I am starting a outdoor massive grow with about 500 plants from seed....
I am wondering if I pick only 1 strain or more different strains ....and what is best indica /sativa or sativa /indica for best yelding outdoors....the seeds will be cheaper and for about little money...like Skunk#1 and Purple strains....
Love your threat...hope you will respond...
Wu-SkunK

Thanks......not my thread though, just a thread. (I continued another...)

I think overall..(all was mentioned)...

1.I don't personally like the purple strains......for various reasons..(I prefer when things take it on late season due to temps, genetics...) Reason being you never know what it's going to cure into....Could look nice...Could cure into almost black......I figured I would try this one though......really not sure what I think of it yet.....Some hanging and will get to it in about a week.....some still going......we'll see.....

2.I would say go with a wider selection as somewhere previous...and, spread them out as much as possible....(20 plots of 25 or so.....depends on your resources/spots/mobility...) When going with one thing.....should you run into any problems, they will basically hit everything......Same with clones...you run 500 clones (and it's the whole op), well....anything that happens will happen to all (pest, resistance, finishing, mold, etc).....I'd say go with a wider range, double check your finishing times, spread em out....ie: Maybe go with 50 each of 10 different things....That's what I would do if doing 5.

As above...I am pretty happy with the Maroc....looks great, smells nice....really anxious to sample some. Not among the highest yielders, but...not bad.... So....different approaches....above jmo....Some want to do one thing, I do many, etc...(I have actually...last season for example ran into some problems, had to shuffle everything around, ended up pulling a bunch of mothers that were supposed to go to an indoor and shaving (cloning) those and running those (Was the BOG SB.....which, wasn't my first choice for out....was far, far too tight and dense..(rocks..)..had a lot of issues, but, you do what you can, with what you have, when you can....

Try to run just fems though...clones, etc..(relating to above....if your growing out a pack of seeds, call it a 50-50 ration M/F , you will have 5 different mothers....so.......can also help with variation, finishing, resistance, things like that...(ie: you could grow out 2-3-4 seeds of several/many things, and, be running several things, from several mothers, etc, so, again, have a wide variety of all of the above.....) I do M/F stuff, but, a little different...everything gets reused (holes...a male is pulled?, something goes in that place again, etc......I mix some spots, some things will be moved, some added to, etc...but, I think everyone should avoid any males.....just a shame having to do work and then have it be for nothing, and, it can be a lot of work....(anoher reason I like the fems and such, but........I don't want to take up too much time......was addressed above couple pages back....)

 

[Julian]

i can't imagine in october there will a jungle indeed....big up julian!!!

Well, even some getting there now.......Glad I tried those couple things (early......."early", well, first week or two of August is definitely early Will do the Maroc again.......

Another aspect:
Of course when you have a bunch of things mixed, as things are cleared out, of course the spots are thinned out also......so, from that angle....I like it....some spots, really doesn't matter...they are planted far and wide....but, others, as above.......taking a couple out, really opens up the spot..........(ie: So....one spot above....might be 5 earlier among others, and, of course, they haven't started, so.......maybe 2 weeks?...Those will come out, and, others start, and, opens up the spot (sun, circulation, etc)....

I think couple pics good example about things being spread out....some of those "spots" very large.....ie: Might have 100 in a spot, but, again, that "spot" might be a football field, some sides, some end, some one end, some the other, etc, and, as can be seen from pics.....surrounding vegetation really helps out to blend everything in overall.......Now if I could run some SSH I'd be happy (Have been told doesn't finish in time, and, frankly, I'm not so sure anymore.........think different spots could have success with it...ie "high ground"....

 

[Julian]

btw it felt great to choke the shit out of a air marshall last night!! it was so .. tension relieving.. ya know what I mean?

Eh, an Air Marshall......little to say....(valid job...I'd do that one, gladly, just for the travel...)....You come across a Narc?....feel free to slap him once or twice for me

From all the links of MJ on youtube and such.. I started looking around.. anyone else find this one http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=brwndirtwarrior check out episode 1 and 2 .. Its not about necessarily minis but is about what when and how.. and you got to admit.. the guy's truck does kick ass. its got to be one of the bstt cut vids out there.

I think I have seen that one recently...(didn't click link, but, remember the username....)

 

[pakalolo420]

Great views J. The thing that strikes me is how similar they look to spots I've done before.

 

[Julian]

Hey my friend...Seems the same as almost anywhere else though.....seen people all over the world that looks like my own backyard....always interesting I think....At least one shot shows how dense vegetation is (shot taken head level..have to walk through 5-6 foot stuff for about a mile in some spots.....)

Just my addition though for sake of explanation......too many have turned this into "my thread", when never started as such, just covering general topic....I thought adding some things, illustrations might help people understand (visualize, etc)....(Of course, not referring to you in the least PK, just in general....)

Yeah, I see many spots, different corners of world...could be your backyard......

Hope your stuff is going well btw..(my stuff as above........more and more pleased with that Maroc Wish I would have run 500 more oif it ) Really wishing I would have run more in city also (be pulling that shit down right about now.....very white....nice stuff...can't wait to smoke some....seems like it will be fairly nice, and, should look nice bagged also......most of that should be done within 2, 3 weeks..(2 weeks, and, if not, following week...) Just a problem, and, sure I am not alone...(August, extreme temps, rains.....things almost ready.....was lecturing this weekend....ie: "Not going by October standards with August conditions".....(might have to cut early if weather turns against us...)

Edit: Partners more concerned with weight than what is what, ps, etc, so, actually, thinking now about switching things around (ie: Instead of splitting both, let's just match weight against weight, they can have purple, I'll take Marocs instead.... ....) Trying to find a good shot of it...

Here you go..... Not a great pic, just a sample branch, not trimmed (I trim dry for quality...so....not going to trim that for a week...) Some a week, some up to 3, but, the stuff a week early I have no doubt I could cut now and get 3k a p trimmed.......Not bad For almost August 1st I think, eh? (really....going to run it again (now with more accurate and specific knowledge of finishing....) Nice smell also.....


Edit:Actually, here's a better shot

 

[pakalolo420]

Re "what is what"... for years I cut everything down and just threw it all together. Once home, I had no idea which buds came from which plants or how much any indivdual plant yielded. I'd keep the biggest/nicest buds for ps and the rest just got randomly mixed. You might see buds from 50 different plants of different genetics in an lb.

Purple buds- even really beautiful ones- often turn a kind of funky muddy purple color once cured. Some kept the nice color, but for me most didn't.

Of all the varieties I've grown I think I recall the roadkill skunk affies, C99xA11, and a couple local heirloom guerrilla strains best. I think the SSHxPTK might have to be added to the list... they already smell amazing... can't wait to see how they're doing next time I go up to see. Wish I had 500 of those going...

 

[Julian]

Re "what is what"... for years I cut everything down and just threw it all together. Once home, I had no idea which buds came from which plants or how much any indivdual plant yielded. I'd keep the biggest/nicest buds for ps and the rest just got randomly mixed. You might see buds from 50 different plants of different genetics in an lb.

Well......that's kind of how I have always done everything, but, not as extreme due to volume...(ie: single bags might have a changeover from one kind to the next.......other bags might have one thing, then another, etc, etc...I mean....you know, some of us..(sure your one Can just immediately tell by sight which is which, etc, but, yeah, a lot of people can't I suppose.....I also always take "ps hefties" but, that does tend to slow things down a little, so, I've been much less retarded about that for a while I know what your saying though, exactly, and, since patches are all mixed (to some degree)...it happens......I like to try and keep things separate though in the end........for pricing issues.....

Purple buds- even really beautiful ones- often turn a kind of funky muddy purple color once cured. Some kept the nice color, but for me most didn't.

Yeah....that's exactly what I was saying.....some almost blackish also..whole different animal from things that get "the tinge" later in season....... I just ran a small sample because was under the assumption nice yield, halfway decent quality...and early.....(not this early...everything I head , the earliest was like mid Sept....)

Of all the varieties I've grown I think I recall the roadkill skunk affies, C99xA11, and a couple local heirloom guerrilla strains best. I think the SSHxPTK might have to be added to the list... they already smell amazing... can't wait to see how they're doing next time I go up to see. Wish I had 500 of those going...

Maybe next time .....Even the purple smells nice pre cut...but...day or two later?...I'm not thrilled......at all, and, hoping it doesn't turn out to be 1600 stuff ....That Maroc...no doubt I could cut next week, clip, dry, cure and dump for 3...(I added a better pic with a leaf or two removed....)


Edit: Note on Maroc: Is it "superior" in quality?.....Well, I highly doubt it, so, my excitement and satisfaction is all relative...(ie: Aug 10th finish?....Decent quality warranting good money?........Well, says it all........majority of my stuff just starting more or less....that stuff almost ready to go ...so, all relative )

Fuck.....I might do 2,000 next time ....

(I know....really been wanting to try the SSH x PTK also ....was none for me this season )

 

[Julian]

Thanks.......I really missed it.......used it for many years......special meaning to me

 

[Julian]

Some other notes which I know have been said before but deserve repeating......indoors or out, big or small, young or old:

"You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can, and will be used against you"

"Anything you say, can, and will, be used against you".

They got you? Fine. That means they believe they have a case, and evidence against you.

They may, or may not, but, as above, anything you say will just add to their case.

Let them prove it......

For those who might start to bargain?......

Maybe wait to see if you have to!....(Most don't have to anyway...)

You want to speak to your attorney. Period. Case closed.

Say it again if you have to.

Or again......

or again................(Many know, they will eventually give up )

(I once went through 20+ minutes of sledgehammer and the phonebook......"I wish to speak to my attorney"....whack..."I wish to speak to my attorney" ....whack....."I wish to speak to my attorney".....whack........)

All your going to do by opening your mouth is help them....

They say they know? Fine. Let them prove it.

You have something to say?. (no, you don't) Let the attorney say it. (Most likely he would not.....)

(Of course, they will most likely say they know any number of things, which may or may not be true......but, until you say something, they might not know it is ....)

Again........for those who want to bargain....for those who think they have to bargain?......

You can get to that later....you might not have to......(Most don't......probation, etc.....)

It's their job to manipulate you.....to scare you......to intimidate you.......

Once you realize what they are doing....it's much easier to relax a bit,....(The entire process is done to intimidate and scare..........why else would they have armed teams with automatic weapons in full gear rush and terrorize an unarmed person with no criminal history......)

Because that's part of it....(Personally, I think the same thing about their ****in lights.......Your going to hit me with so much candlepower that I can't see for a ****in no turn signal ticket????)

Don't say shit! Your doing more harm than good.

They have you? They have you. It's a done deal....and it will be sorted out later......nothing you can do, done deal, period...

Your cracked. Nothing you can do.

What should you do?

Let the attorney figure that out!!!

Rant over.

 

[Julian]

Furthermore........

Many approach such things (ops) regarding risk as though LE is an all knowing force..........."they just know" (as above or elsewhere)...

They know what they know because someone has told them....

Hence their approach, pressure, tactics.....

To keep the wheel perpetually turning.......

Their primary goal is to obtain intel.......

Because without it? They have nowhere to go.....

Adhere to security protocol..........How would they know?

 

[Guest]

julian, you make me proud to be in the same field=) youre a credit to us all,,,,,,,,
keep on kicking out the great reading material......lime

 

[pakalolo420]

Some other notes which I know have been said before but deserve repeating......indoors or out, big or small, young or old:

"You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can, and will be used against you"

"Anything you say, can, and will, be used against you".

They got you? Fine. That means they believe they have a case, and evidence against you.

They may, or may not, but, as above, anything you say will just add to their case.

Let them prove it......

For those who might start to bargain?......

Maybe wait to see if you have to!....(Most don't have to anyway...)

You want to speak to your attorney. Period. Case closed.

Say it again if you have to.

Or again......

or again................(Many know, they will eventually give up )

(I once went through 20+ minutes of sledgehammer and the phonebook......"I wish to speak to my attorney"....whack..."I wish to speak to my attorney" ....whack....."I wish to speak to my attorney".....whack........)

All your going to do by opening your mouth is help them....

They say they know? Fine. Let them prove it.

You have something to say?. (no, you don't) Let the attorney say it. (Most likely he would not.....)

(Of course, they will most likely say they know any number of things, which may or may not be true......but, until you say something, they might not know it is ....)

Again........for those who want to bargain....for those who think they have to bargain?......

You can get to that later....you might not have to......(Most don't......probation, etc.....)

It's their job to manipulate you.....to scare you......to intimidate you.......

Once you realize what they are doing....it's much easier to relax a bit,....(The entire process is done to intimidate and scare..........why else would they have armed teams with automatic weapons in full gear rush and terrorize an unarmed person with no criminal history......)

Because that's part of it....(Personally, I think the same thing about their ****in lights.......Your going to hit me with so much candlepower that I can't see for a ****in no turn signal ticket????)

Don't say shit! Your doing more harm than good.

They have you? They have you. It's a done deal....and it will be sorted out later......nothing you can do, done deal, period...

Your cracked. Nothing you can do.

What should you do?

Let the attorney figure that out!!!

Rant over.

Truer words were ne'er spoke. Remain calm. Remain silent.

 

[Julian]

Truer words were ne'er spoke. Remain calm. Remain silent.

What's done is done....Nothing one can say.....nothing one can do.....except wait.

The mind should shift from "the now" to being out. Nothing can be done until your out.

They will threaten you with penalties, which, in the end, may not even come close to applying......and be nowhere near the actual outcome..

They will say if you "co-operate"....etc, etc, etc....

Requesting you speak to your attorney upon arrest is not being uncooperative....