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Maria's Subtropical Outdoor Guerilla Grows with Connoisseur Genetics (Perpetual Journal)

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Day 83 -- from sprouting!

Building Two:


2 X Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil (fem) = Swiss Thai Nevil 1 clone X SSSDH OJD cut Reversed (10-12 weeks?)
In a big 20L pot.
Last pollination day 69, 14 days / 2 weeks ago.

Oh my god, I love this plant!!! She is amazing!!
Actually, two plants in this pic, Big Miss SSSTN is most of the pic but in the foreground Little Miss SSSTN.

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Stretch may have finally ended at about 75cm tall = 30".
But she's filling out sideways now, with a couple of good lower branches showing themselves strongly.

Because she is leaning south for the sun, and I've positioned the Little one facing the sun, thought I'd try to tie back the Big girl a little bit to the north to open the space.
I didn't bring anything to do that with, and tried some plastic that I found on site.
But the plastic was quite dirty and I didn't want dirt up near the flowers in case it became a starting point for something nasty, so removed it.
Must try to remember to bring something good to tie her back next visit though, as I think a little north bending LST for the big girl will benefit both of them in terms of light exposure on the flowers.

Big Miss SSSTN: Day 83 = 32V + 51F

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With her two biggest lower branches building up nicely.
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Whole plant from a the side and the top:

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Little Miss SSSTN: Day 83 = 63V (?) + 21F

She's really getting into her stretch now, all three-leaflet main fans up top with many more to come.
I think she has at least another week or two, or three, of stretch.
Didn't measure on site, but I'm guessing she's a good 40-50cm (16"-20") long, with another 30+cm (12"+) to come at least.
While she's in front (facing south) of her big sister and growing more sideways than upwards, she may easily end up with a main stem as long as her big sister.
She has a little knuckle from the last LST, so I gave her some more, laying her out sideways towards the sun.

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You can see she also has the red petioles like the Grail NLD pheno.
Maybe it's also from the Neville's Haze that they both share?

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At 63 days (9 weeks) of veg from a shaded out near runt of a plant, to now really hitting her stride.
Could be one of those cases where the last and slowest plant ends up being the hugest of the garden.
I hope so, another lovely SSSTN girl at good size would be amazing!

From the side with better background:

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Both of these SSSTN girls have thin but strong and flexible main stems.
The wind is strong here, really strong at times, but they just bend and flex, no problem.
Delicate sativa girls all the way.

@ojd you have made an amazing cross here, if my half-assed no budget guerilla grow in the middle of winter can have ladies like this in my garden!!

Namo Shivaya!

Fun, fun, fun!

Love and hugs,
~MJS
Looking good , great to see them flowering
 

Maria Sanchez

Well-known member
Hey Maria and all

Have just amended my soil with the dry amendment mix I like plus coarse ground brown rice + millet. Now it has to sit and develop for 10 - 14 days.

You're an organic grower?
What do the ground brown rice and millet provide to the mix?
I'd like to go fully organic and really work on that art, but it just doesn't work for this restricted style of guerilla growing here.

On 20th January I will soak the ACE beans, 21 January they go into their 2l pots. (Auspicious time for sowing seeds lunar wise).
TaiChi, Honduras x Panama, New Caledonia

Will post some pics once they get going.

:plant grow:

Very nice. I just so love the look of all those ACE sativas.
I'd love to try the Golden Tiger (3rd ed), the Zamaldelica, and maybe the New Caledonia, in particular.
Or maybe just be a cheap-ass and get the Tropical Mix, haha!
The Panamas and Malawis look amazing, but the pics always look too dense for my conditions.
Even though they are rated as highly resistant to botrytis and the like.

Crossing between these sativas from landraces and OJD's old school haze/sativas could be very interesting.
I guess ACE have their worked landrace sativas x Neville's Haze as "(Sativa) Super Haze", don't they?

Oh, are you indoor or outdoor?
So you don't have a separate journal running, huh?
Please tag!

Actually I enjoy following your grow adventures 👍🏼

To be totally honest when I came across your plan of growing in the derelict buildings in the jungle I was hoping you would also post pics of the buildings in their jungle setting.
I guess because of stealth and the current laws where you're at that's not in the cards.

Thank you!
Whenever I visit the site, I always think I should do some scenery shots.
The buildings, the mountains and forest, the sky and view across the valley.
And the overgrown hidden corners of decaying human civilization, hahahaaa!
But, then, yeah, security has to win the day.

Maybe I'll try some and add some filters that will obscure them enough to be safe.
Let me experiment!

🙏🏼
Om Namah Shivaya

🙏🏼
Om Namah Shivaya
 

Maria Sanchez

Well-known member
Looking good , great to see them flowering

Thanks for your kind words.
At least the SSSTNs are looking half decent now.

I want to run the last two together with the offspring of the present Big Girl (x ThaiFrican).
See if I can get some further seed that are 75% SSSTN, though I know they definitely won't 'breed true' as they are polyhybrids, but I don't care and want to search for some gems.

Oh, a question:
All these crosses in this grow are F1, right?
They are from single mother x single father, not open pollination, right?
Because you mention which clone / pheno for the parents, e.g., NH 21, NH 36, Thai Nevil 1 or 2, Outback 1 or 2, etc.
 

Maria Sanchez

Well-known member
Day 92 -- from sprouting!

9 days since last picture update and visit.
Weather has been quite sunny, up to 24C at times, with one day of rain.
Though today is just 18C and foggy this morning.


Building Two:

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This photo is specially for @Hasch who was asking about the 'scenery'.
This shot is facing kind of east, and the plants face south to the right, where there is another row of houses in front.

Big pot on left is from left Big Miss SSSTN, then Little Miss SSSTN in the same pot.
Pot on right is Miss Grail (indica) close and Miss Grail (NLD sativa) behind.



2 X Grail Project NH18 x MM pheno 1 (reg) = (NH18 x MM pheno 1) x (NH21 x MML Male) (12-16 weeks)
In a 15L pot.
Last pollination day 69, 23 days / 3+ weeks ago.

Here's the NH x MM Grail Family:
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Such different phenos, not surprising given they are kind of F2.
Sorry this is a blurry photo focused on the wall not the plants!

Miss Grail (NLD pheno) -- Day 92 = 42V + 50F:

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She's slowing stacking up okay.

Miss Grail (indica pheno): Day 92 = 32V + 60F

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Looking very delicious!


Building One:

2 X Thai Madness (fem) = Swiss Thai Nevil 2 clone x (NH21 x MML clone Reversed) (11-14 weeks?)

Last pollination on Day 56, 36 days ago (5 weeks).

Thai Madness 1 : Day 92 = 42V + 50F

Thai Madness 2 : Day 92 = 56V + 36F


No photos of the plants, though I did water them.
I checked a couple of seeded calyxes to inspect the seed development.
Two very mature, and one not so mature but looks like it would probably germinate to me.

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The father, Mr ThaiFrican, was removed 5 weeks ago, so that's the latest possible pollination time.
Think I'll probably cut them down next week, giving at least 6 weeks seed development.
And a tasty J or two from the flower itself.
The Thai Madness 2 plant, greener, is showing more flower growth, suggesting a better pheno in general.
First fruits coming soon!

Namo Shivaya!

Fun, fun, fun!

Love and hugs,
~MJS
 

Maria Sanchez

Well-known member
Day 92 -- from sprouting!

Building Two:


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2 X Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil (fem) = Swiss Thai Nevil 1 clone X SSSDH OJD cut Reversed (10-12 weeks?)
In a big 20L pot.
Last pollination day 69, 23 days / 3 weeks ago.

Gave the pot a nice heavy watering.
I guess a big soak once a week without much else gives them wet/dry cycles, for what it's worth.

The top-dress plus a dose of Peters/Jacks doesn't seem to have burnt them at all.
But I don't think I'll be feeding them again.
They are both deep green, more than enough to see them through to the end I feel.

Big Miss SSSTN: Day 92 = 32V + 60F

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She's becoming a giant one-plant bud with a couple of tentacle buds at the base!
Obviously been loving the recent sunshine and warmth.
(Her little sister is hidden at the back in this photo.)

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I keep saying she's finished her stretch, but honestly, who knows!? Haha!
I'm guessing she's about 80cm = 32" from a quick hand-span measure.

I managed to bring a tie to the site, and pulled back her main stem to the north.
This will open her up to more sun and give more to her (little?) sister.


Little Miss SSSTN: Day 92 = 63V (?) + 30F

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She's hitting flowering pretty hard now.
Similar structure to her (big?) sister, though possibly a bit more delicate.


Namo Shivaya!

Fun, fun, fun!

Love and hugs,
~MJS
 

Maria Sanchez

Well-known member
it looks good :), this miss SSSTN takes the spotlight, the stretching seems to continue all the same doesn't it?

She's the glamour princess, it's true!!
Thanks for your kind words.
The stretch, yeah, it just keeps on stretching.
To think when she first showed pistils she was only about 15 cm tall at most.
Thought I was going to have a bud on a stick plant.
But she had other ideas, lucky for me!
 

Maria Sanchez

Well-known member
Idea about drying after harvest to bounce off you good people.
Especially @Normannen (IIRC) who mentioned the problem with dropping seeds during drying.

What do you think of drying the colas in a laundry net bag to hang?

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I'll hang it somewhere inside the abandoned house, so no rain.
But they'll get plenty of airflow due to wind, etc.
It'll catch seeds, and keep larger bugs or spiders out, too.

I see people buy these fancy drying net rack things.
But thought a nice laundry net bag would work just as well at a much cheaper price.
So many 'accessories' for growing, with so many people insisting that they are absolutely necessary.
A lot of it is a big scam in some ways.
Can do the same job, intelligently, much easier and cheaper, with other methods.

Issue is still weeks away, but need to plan ahead properly, right?
What do you think?
 

acespicoli

Well-known member
Saw some great stuff come out of these
Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil

outdoor-guerilla-grow in the title...
hang the outdoor plant on the dry leaning side of a tree for a few dry days
40% or lower relative humidity is ideal during drying
Once stems can "snap" paper bag or cardboard box. turn fluff daily

You want to jar around 60% RH relative humidity in your (cigar humidor)
Good product but many cheaper diy methods

Bentonite Clay Desiccant (most unscented kitty litter) baked at oven temp
in a box a towel over it, then lay the buds in for drying in tropical humidity

Some very good terpenes evaporate at low temps
So better to get in jars asap, as long as there is no mold...
Now Malawi cob style cure affectionados may disagree,
and a good Black cut orange pekoe tea can be agreeable to me so 🤷‍♂️


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random internet picture.

The highest grades for Western and South Asian teas are referred to as "orange pekoe"
For instance, a green tea puerh, prior to curing into a post-fermented tea, is often bitter and harsh in taste, but becomes sweet and mellow through fermentation by age or dampness.

Oxidation: For teas that require oxidation, the leaves are left on their own in a climate-controlled room where they turn progressively darker. This is accompanied by agitation in some cases.[10] In this process the chlorophyll in the leaves is enzymatically broken down, and its tannins are released or transformed. The tea producer may choose when the oxidation should be stopped, which depends on the desired qualities in the final tea as well as the weather conditions (heat and humidity). For light oolong teas this may be anywhere from 5–40% oxidation, in darker oolong teas 60–70%, and in black teas 100% oxidation. Oxidation is highly important in the formation of many taste and aroma compounds, which give tea its liquor colour, strength, and briskness.[17] Depending on the type of tea desired, under or over-oxidation can result in grassy flavours, or overly thick winey flavours.[20] This process is sometimes referred to erroneously as fermentation in the tea industry.

leave leaf till jarring to remove prior to smoking, plants can be left in a shed hanging for months....
Hope you enjoy :smokeit: your harvest :huggg:
 
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@peace

Well-known member
Day 92 -- from sprouting!

Building Two:


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2 X Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil (fem) = Swiss Thai Nevil 1 clone X SSSDH OJD cut Reversed (10-12 weeks?)
In a big 20L pot.
Last pollination day 69, 23 days / 3 weeks ago.

Gave the pot a nice heavy watering.
I guess a big soak once a week without much else gives them wet/dry cycles, for what it's worth.

The top-dress plus a dose of Peters/Jacks doesn't seem to have burnt them at all.
But I don't think I'll be feeding them again.
They are both deep green, more than enough to see them through to the end I feel.

Big Miss SSSTN: Day 92 = 32V + 60F

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She's becoming a giant one-plant bud with a couple of tentacle buds at the base!
Obviously been loving the recent sunshine and warmth.
(Her little sister is hidden at the back in this photo.)

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I keep saying she's finished her stretch, but honestly, who knows!? Haha!
I'm guessing she's about 80cm = 32" from a quick hand-span measure.

I managed to bring a tie to the site, and pulled back her main stem to the north.
This will open her up to more sun and give more to her (little?) sister.


Little Miss SSSTN: Day 92 = 63V (?) + 30F

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She's hitting flowering pretty hard now.
Similar structure to her (big?) sister, though possibly a bit more delicate.


Namo Shivaya!

Fun, fun, fun!

Love and hugs,
~MJS
That view of the valley and the trees is amazing. Cool grow.
 

Maria Sanchez

Well-known member
Saw some great stuff come out of these
Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil

outdoor-guerilla-grow in the title...
hang the outdoor plant on the dry leaning side of a tree for a few dry days
40% or lower relative humidity is ideal during drying
Once stems can "snap" paper bag or cardboard box. turn fluff daily

You want to jar around 60% RH relative humidity in your (cigar humidor)
Good product but many cheaper diy methods

Bentonite Clay Desiccant (most unscented kitty litter) baked at oven temp
in a box a towel over it, then lay the buds in for drying in tropical humidity

Some very good terpenes evaporate at low temps
So better to get in jars asap, as long as there is no mold...
Now Malawi cob style cure affectionados may disagree,
and a good Black cut orange pekoe tea can be agreeable to me so 🤷‍♂️


The highest grades for Western and South Asian teas are referred to as "orange pekoe"
For instance, a green tea puerh, prior to curing into a post-fermented tea, is often bitter and harsh in taste, but becomes sweet and mellow through fermentation by age or dampness.

Oxidation: For teas that require oxidation, the leaves are left on their own in a climate-controlled room where they turn progressively darker. This is accompanied by agitation in some cases.[10] In this process the chlorophyll in the leaves is enzymatically broken down, and its tannins are released or transformed. The tea producer may choose when the oxidation should be stopped, which depends on the desired qualities in the final tea as well as the weather conditions (heat and humidity). For light oolong teas this may be anywhere from 5–40% oxidation, in darker oolong teas 60–70%, and in black teas 100% oxidation. Oxidation is highly important in the formation of many taste and aroma compounds, which give tea its liquor colour, strength, and briskness.[17] Depending on the type of tea desired, under or over-oxidation can result in grassy flavours, or overly thick winey flavours.[20] This process is sometimes referred to erroneously as fermentation in the tea industry.

leave leaf till jarring to remove prior to smoking, plants can be left in a shed hanging for months....
Hope you enjoy :smokeit: your harvest :huggg:

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the drying situation.
At my last location, totally different temperate/cold country, I did my final drying by hanging the colas on my apple tree. Worked fine!
But here, too wet, and the wind means there is no "dry leaning side" of any tree.

I want to dry on site, not at home, so it has to be a set-and-forget type system.
Come back and check it in a week or two to complete.

No 40% RH here, but maybe 60% on a good day and much higher the rest of the time.

The bentonite idea is a good one, thanks for that.

I almost always keep the leaves on, even jarring, to remove before smoking.
Bag appeal is not at all important to me.
 

Maria Sanchez

Well-known member
That view of the valley and the trees is amazing. Cool grow.
That kind of looks up the valley, into the mountains, about 1,500 m up.
If you turn to the right from that photo, across the valley.
But there are a block of houses over there.
Sometimes wonder if anybody is sitting there looking out their window at me on site.
And if you go up the road a bit, looking the opposite direction, you can see the sea.
 

Maria Sanchez

Well-known member
Day 96 -- from sprouting!

Just 4 days since last picture update and visit.
Weather has been very sunny, up to 24C and higher every day, lots of sun and fairly dry.
Maybe some more sun tomorrow but things are going to drop down nasty next week.
May go below 10C overnight with rain.

Lucky I visited though, as the warm weather meant the pots were getting light.
They would have lasted until the rain in a few days, but better soak now I figure.
They would need more water than even a good day or rain would give them.

I wasn't planning on visiting, but was walking by the area.
The chain at the front gate is slack enough to leave the door still hanging open.
Small skinny me is small enough to just sneak through the gap.

When I left, though, just as I stepped through an old guy on bike went past.
I stopped midway, one leg inside the other leg outside, oh no!
But he didn't even react to me clunking through the iron fence so I just kept on going!!


Building Two:

2 X Grail Project NH18 x MM pheno 1
(reg) = (NH18 x MM pheno 1) x (NH21 x MML Male) (12-16 weeks)
In a 15L pot.
Last pollination day 69, 27 days / ~4 weeks ago.

Here's the NH x MM Grail Family:
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Sorry this is yet another a crappy photo focused on the wall not the plants...!

I took one seed out of each of these two to check how they were maturing after 4 weeks or more.
Both seeds are very dark and well mature, mottled but not striped, medium sized.

Miss Grail (NLD pheno) -- Day 96 = 42V + 54F:

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Really hitting her happy flowering point right now, isn't she?
Calyxes are smaller and more delicate than indica pheno.

Miss Grail (indica pheno): Day 96 = 32V + 64F

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Thicker, big calyxes building, will be a week or two ahead of the slimmer NLD girl.

Both of these two girls have some serious trichome development on the calyxes.
Quality all the way.

Building One:

2 X Thai Madness (fem) = Swiss Thai Nevil 2 clone x (NH21 x MML clone Reversed) (11-14 weeks?)

Last pollination on Day 56, 40 days ago (almost 6 weeks).

No photos of the plants, and I didn't even check on them.
Info below just for the record.

Thai Madness 1 : Day 96 = 42V + 54F

Thai Madness 2 : Day 96 = 56V + 40F



Namo Shivaya!

Fun, fun, fun!

Love and hugs,
~MJS
 

Maria Sanchez

Well-known member
Day 96 -- from sprouting!

Building Two:


2 X Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil (fem) = Swiss Thai Nevil 1 clone X SSSDH OJD cut Reversed (10-12 weeks?)
In a big 20L pot.
Last pollination day 69, 27 days / ~4 weeks ago.

The big cola in the middle is the Big Girl.
The cola on the left is also the Big Girl lower branch.
The cola on the right is the Little Girl (who I will have to rename, because she isn't little anymore...!)

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Big Miss SSSTN: Day 96 = 32V + 64F

Definitely 80cm = 32" tall.

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She's getting sticky in there, with much more to come.
Brushed my fingers through a side nug and they are very tacky, sticky.
Aromas I am not so good at explaining, but definitely fresh, fruity, quality herb flavor in there!

Her lower big branch looks like this, little mini tree of her own.
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Namo Shivaya!

Fun, fun, fun!

Love and hugs,
~MJS
 

Maria Sanchez

Well-known member
Day 96 -- from sprouting!

Building Two:


2 X Super Silver Sour Thai Nevil (fem) = Swiss Thai Nevil 1 clone X SSSDH OJD cut Reversed (10-12 weeks?)
In a big 20L pot.
Last pollination day 69, 27 days / ~4 weeks ago.

Little Miss SSSTN: Day 96 = 63V (?) + 34F

She's hitting flowering pretty hard now, but only just starting to throw calyxes and pistils.

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That photo is a bit meh, but you get the idea.
Total length, at a guess, 60cm = 24" plus.
She may overtake Big Girl in the next week or two as she's still definitely stretching out.
I guess she already had her roots in the big pot before she even thought about flowering, unlike Big Girl.

Due to size, the two of them were getting a bit cramped up in there.
I adjusted that tie I used last visit on the Big Girl to pull her back a bit more.
Opened up the space between them, giving them both some breathing room and more exposure.
Pulled out a couple of older leaves in the middle while I was at it.

From above, the two of them ended up looking like this:

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Big Girl is up top, with big lower branch top left.
Bottom to the left is the Little Girl.

Namo Shivaya!

Fun, fun, fun!

Love and hugs,
~MJS
 

Maria Sanchez

Well-known member
Now we have a few days of the worst weather for the year.
Temps down to maybe 6C or 7C overnight, and only 10C or 11C during the day.
Raining for maybe 36 hours with humidity going to be like 80% to 90% continuously.
I guess we'll see if they have any color in them to come in at these temps.
Only the Grail (indica pheno) is even vaguely likely to hold any water in her.
So we'll see what a little wet and humid test will give us on their resistance.
By Thursday we'll be back up to 15C or so and the rain should finish by Wednesday.

Edit: there was some snow overnight in the mountains not far from here.
But that's maybe 1000m = 3000' higher up than the garden.
 
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