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Cannabis Seed Morphology

acespicoli

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IMO some of the best are the ones you smoke and have to stay active like cleaning the house going for a hike, fishing for a walk to the beach 🤷‍♂️ racy is cool if it settles into a smooth social feeling after the first 15-20min. I like the rush of energy my homey and I back in the day would just stop and look at each other and be like im blazed lol take a deep breath... and hold on while you explore new planets in outer space :ROFLMAO:
Seriously some people will get freaked out and think they are dying! Especially when it creeps in and no ceiling, yeah that will freak you out if your ripping bong hit after bong hit on some new weed.

I remember one time driving thinking I could hear helicopters following the car and would slow down listen and look out the windows. Or it would feel like you were falling like that dreaming thing that happens.
It would make your heart beat real fast like you drank a pot of coffee to yourself haha.
Yeah lucky when you have good weed like that save some for a special occasion ;) Headies
Good sativa weed is not so common anymore. Respect that stuff its a special treat, not for everyone.
Some weeds got that daywrecker thing going for it. Like I have a bunch of goals and smoke a bowl....

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Im gonna post some more Indica seeds soon I think, Best >>> :huggg:
 
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"Purest Indica" a.k.a. the Steve Murphy Afghan​

IBL (Inbred Line) Regular Seeds​

7 to 10 Weeks​

These seeds have been reproduced from plants grown from seeds that were stored since 1983.

The "Purest Indica" is the original variety of the Northern Lights line. It was first acquired in 1979 by Seattle Greg through the author Murphy Stevens as "Purest Indica" and became the backbone of all of the Northern Lights hybrids.

Seattle Greg told me that after he got the seeds from Murphy Stevens, he inbred them and passed the seeds he made around to his friends who crossed it with their seed stock and created what is now known as the Northern Lights line of #1 through #11. The #1 being closest to this original "Purest Indica" and the #11 being the most tropical and furthest from this "Purest Indica".

The buds are incredibly leafy, sticky and huge, the plants require a lower humidity and look like they came out of an Afghan desert. The leaves have longer leaflets that lay down and the plants have a similar structure to a Christmas tree.

Flowering time is fast and the smell is dank and gassy somewhere between burnt rubber with a hint of acrid smelling skunk. The high is heavy and sedative.

The seeds came to me directly from Seattle Greg in 2020. He told me that the seeds were placed in his sister's freezer in Seattle in the early 80s and were found after she passed away in 2019. His family sent the seeds to him and he got decent germination and sent some seeds to me and I reproduced them in my greenhouse.

This would be the first reproduction of these seeds in almost 40 years.

Seattle Greg also told me that he never sent the "Purest Indica" seeds to Nevil and The Holland Seed Bank because he did not want Nevil to be able to make the Northern Lights hybrids without him.

This is truly world class cannabis; I smoke it and wonder how many generations of farmers cultivated this variety as a hash plant back in Afghanistan or the Hindu Kush mountains and I give praise and respect to them all.

Check out the history of Northern Lights here:
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What is Northern Lights?​

Dec 06, 2022 by Todd McCormick

What is Northern Lights?​

Northern Lights is easily one of the most popular cannabis varieties in the world. Initially bred in and around Seattle by a small group of growers in the 70’s, it quickly turned into an international phenomenon.
Northern Lights acquired its iconic name after the legendary “Seattle Greg” sent seeds from his personal collection to a new Amsterdam seed company named “The Seed Bank of Holland.” founded by Nevil Schoenmakers.
For a long time the true story about the origin of Northern Lights was never discussed within the growing community because we all knew that we were being hunted down mercilessly in the expanding "war on drugs". When I first got to Amsterdam and began asking around about NL, I could only find out that the guy who sent the seeds to Nevil was named Seattle Greg, but not much else.
Shortly after Nevil passed away I wrote the article; "Legacy of a Legend" for grow magazine remembering Nevil's life and his revolutionary seed bank. Shortly afterwards I noticed a comment under that article from a guy named "Greg" who was giving personal credit to Nevil for spreading the Northern Lights genetics. I immediately messaged Greg and asked if this was the same Greg who first sent the Northern Lights seeds to Nevil in 1984 - and it was!
Greg and I became friends after talking on the phone and coming together over our shared love of cannabis cultivation. “Seattle Greg” as he is often called, is a retired Marine who had volunteered to join the military at 17, served from 1965 to 1969 then returned home to Seattle and began cultivating the cannabis he had started smoking during multiple tours in Vietnam from 1966-67. Upon returning home, Greg studied botany and natural sciences at the University of Washington and today in his 70s, Greg is still actively applying new science and technology to growing cannabis and sharing what he discovers with others.
In a recent (2021) 2+ hour conversation I got to ask Greg for more detail about the history and genetics of this legendary variety.
After returning from Vietnam and starting to grow, Greg discovered a book titled: How To Grow Marijuana Indoors Under Lights by Murphy Stevens (1975).
How to Grow Marijuana Indoor Under Lights by Murphy Stevens


That book is absolutely one of the most advanced cultivation books to come out of the 1970s and includes information about enhancing growth using CO2, dehumidification, proper ventilation, carefully monitoring the resin production before harvest and also the technique of making cuttings and keeping mother plants. The book even included a catalog in the back of the book that sold hydroponic cultivation equipment from a Seattle shop called “Indoor Sun Sales”.
A passionate student of cannabis, Greg immediately made his way to the local hydroponic shop and befriended the owner and author Steve Murphy. As the years passed and their trust of one another grew, sometime around 1979, Steve gave Greg four seeds of an Afghan variety that he referred to as “Purest Indica” and that became the initial seeds that would go on to become the parents of the Northern Lights variety. Greg said those “Purest Indica/Afghan” seeds were the beginning of Northern Lights.
Northern Lights #2 was created by combining the Purest Indica with other Afghan genetics that Greg had collected from Oregon and California. Greg mentioned that it was his first attempt at making another variety using the Purest Indica and was always one of his favorites. He said that they would smoke the NL#2 and sell the NL#5 because he liked the sedative effects of the pure Afghan.
Northern Lights #2 by agseedco.com

Photo: NL#2
You can buy Northern Lights #2 seeds here
One of the most refreshing elements of my conversation with Greg was the overall feeling of honesty and sincerity when I spoke to him and how he was not certain about certain genetics because they had no way of knowing the true origin, only what they were told and that he was never really sure the accuracy of what he was told.
Which brings me to Northern Lights #5. Greg told me that a person named Herbie who worked at Steve’s hydroponic shop bred the Purest Indica with a supposedly Hawaiian variety that Greg thinks was really from Northern Mexico, but he reminded me that we can never be too sure about where it really came from.
Northern Lights #5 by agseedco.com

Photo: NL#5
When I asked him about the numbering system of Northern Lights #1 through #11, he told me that he made that up just before he sent the seeds to Nevil, along with the name “Northern Lites”, telling me that to him it meant that the plants were grown and bred up North under "lites" and that the spelling got changed by Nevil to the "lights" version after it arrived in the Netherlands.
The numbering system was #1 through #11, with #1 being the most Afghan and “Indica” as they called it back then, and as the varieties became more tropical/equatorial, or “sativa” as the numbers went up. Always honest, Greg said he does not remember all of the particular crosses because he did not make all of them. The Northern Lights seeds that Greg sent to Nevil and became famous was a collection of various crosses that Greg collected from his group of friends on the West Coast over the years that they had been breeding and sharing with one another.
Initially the relationship between Greg and Nevil started off smoothly with Greg gifting the first set of NL seeds to Nevil and then selling him the second set of seeds. Unfortunately, some time in 1986, Greg found out that Nevil had gone behind his back to buy so-called NL seeds from a different guy. That action got Nevil cut off from the true source of Northern Lights seeds, but Nevil just started to knock off the varieties he had and breed them with various other plants.
Greg also reported to me that he had not ever sent Northern Lights #1, the “Purest Indica” that he originally got from Steve Murphy to Nevil, and that instead Nevil “did what he wanted to” with the numbers and changed the history to suit his own narrative. Greg told me at some point he did send a NL#5 cutting to Nevil, but the #2 through #11 initially went to Nevil as seed varieties.
Unfortunately through various busts and “Operation Green Merchant” the original varieties of Northern lights seeds were all but lost, but as fate would have it, one of Greg’s relatives passed away and in an old freezer, his family found a collection of some of his old seeds from the early 80s including; Purest Indica, Northern Lights #2 and #5.
Greg sent me some of those old seeds so that I could do some germination testing and give him feedback on the viability of the genetics after all those years in storage and I was extremely surprised to get decent germination rates and some very vigorous plants. As a collector of old books about cannabis cultivation, I have copies of the Murphy Stevens grow books and I was astounded at the similarity of his photographs of “Purest Indica” to the plants I grew from the “Purest Indica” seed from his relative’s freezer given to me by Greg - they look practically identical.
Afghan Cannabis by agseedco.com

Purest Indica by agseedco.com

Photo above: "Purest Indica"
 
chilliwilli

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I read here in an old thread that nl5 is (the purest)indica hit twice with thai genetics and some of the crossings were made in hawaii. Not sure if both but iirc the last[(the purest indicaXthai)Xthai] was made there.
Does my memory serve me right and was that post legit?
 
acespicoli

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chilliwilli said:
I read here in an old thread that nl5 is (the purest)indica hit twice with thai genetics and some of the crossings were made in hawaii. Not sure if both but iirc the last[(the purest indicaXthai)Xthai] was made there.
Does my memory serve me right and was that post legit?
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Good question,
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    F1s and Beyond​

    Looks like an NL type, they are very satisfying to grow. Are you breeding these yourself Uncle P? Most of us have to deal with the constraints of breeding in small spaces, which by necessity causes us to make compromises with what we'd ideally like to do. Can you describe your breeding program? N.
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    Freakland​

    Greg, from the Northern Lightscrew gave me the advice to wait until the resin starts to turn amber. It's a pretty good yardstick. N.
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    1985 seed bank catalog​

    ...a fucking nut! The fact is, that I beat him in the cups with everything. I beat him with Skunk, I beat him with Haze, I beat him with Northern Lightsand whatever else I won the cups with. For a guy who walks around telling everyone that he is the greatest cannabis breeder in the history of...
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    NL#5X2​

    ...a sense, redundant. There was no precedent and I didn't know what forces would be countered against me or how long my run would last. Northern Lights, especially NL5, was the cornerstone of the indoor growing industry. By putting NL5x2 out there, I was giving the game away. I thought hard...
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    Road Kill Skunk​

    Well without smelling it, I'm not sure what the term diesel represents in this case. You mention that Northern Lightsis behind it and that will include the NL2 male. NL2 as a strain had quite fuelly smells, which to me represents kush (you must understand that this assumption comes from cross...
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    Afghani​

    ...that popped out was like Big Bud. Despite looking like a full indica, it smelled like bubblegum (like BB). Next was a Hash Plant and Northern Lights1 type, totally different. Finally came the 2 sisters I named AfgT and AfgS, these 2 encapsulated the full range of fruity Skunk types. You can...
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    the best northern lights seeds, wich breeder ?​

    The Northern Lights#1 was a pure strain from the pacific N.W. of America. It had nothing to do with Ortega lines initially, although I did cross them. NL 1 was pretty special, it was all Indica. Good pure Indica strains were pretty hard to find in those days. I didn't hold it back, I sold it...
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    the best northern lights seeds, wich breeder ?​

    Great NL male and female Coxnox. It looks like you've kept it pure. I put out heaps of NL5xNL2. It was the new standard for indoor Northern Lights. So, what were the results like from the NL mating? The male is typical of his ancestors. It's what a real male looks like. How many generation has...
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    questions for Nevil on afghani and kush lines (the other grail!)​

    ...that was NL1 and NL2. My best bet was that NL5 was a combination of NL1 male line and US NL5 female. I guessed that US5 was 50% NL2. Northern Lights 2x5 was the best that I could do staying within the line (pure NL). Northern Lightschanged the face of cannabis genetics (and many a smoker)...
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    questions for Nevil on afghani and kush lines (the other grail!)​

    Maple Leaf was not related to Northern Lightsand didn't cross well with pure NL. Too much Indica. Hybrids of both strains dis cross well when they contained more sativa. ML loves Skunk1. My nose and intuition tells me that these two are distantly related. Jim Ortega is around and can speak for...
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    Where in the world did you get your seed​

    Mostly, I got seeds or cuttings from individual growers.The primary building bolcks for modern lines today are Northern Lights, Haze, Ortega lines, hash plant, G13, SK1, EP, Big Bud. Most of these will trace their way back to the cultivated landraces of the past, but as I keep saying these are...
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    questions for Nevil on afghani and kush lines (the other grail!)​

    ...G13 was bred by Spirituallyenhanced and stolen by everyone from him. It makes him sad and angry. He is also the original breeder of Northern Lights, The Haze, Skunk, apples and corn. breeder of all afghan, and kush lines as well grover just to name a few he is on another level like god...
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    Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid​

    ...If you bought seeds from The Seed Bank. Say NL5 x HzC. You know that this is a Hybrid made from the Haze Brothers male line and the Northern lights female line. You know this because I didn't change the name Haze or Northern Lights. These were the names given to me when I bought the seed. If...
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    Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid​

    ...............................................................................Northern Lights5 .............................................................................1984(NL) .............................................................................................NL5...
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    Grail: The Ultimate Haze Hybrid​

    ...1989 (NL) Grail Northern Lights5 1984 (NL) NL5...
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      Someone told me if you wanna know about Northern Lights get on insta and ask Greg 🤷‍♂️
      I tried some NL years back it was grassy... the one pictured above '79Purest
    • enjoyed nice smell to it
      Some described it as sweet a cotton candy smell, maybe similar to bubble gum :thinking:
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      If you find more information on this hope you share it here. :love:

      @chilliwilli Best >>> :huggg: Im gonna play with some NL2 so more to come









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acespicoli

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P91 is a clone only strain, it is a cross of Northern Lights (Thai x Afghani) cubed. Which bascially means males acquired off the original mother plant where crossbred back with the mother 3 times. P91 has a very strong body high and almost hallucinogenic at times. It has a distinctive potent flavor, and a brain freezing citrus odor. Other native San Diego strains include Bullrider and Hogsbreath.

Also the strain called the "Cube" ?

@chilliwilli is this what your thinking of :thinking:

Genetic Lineage of Northern Lights​





While its origin story is hazy at best, there's a general consensus regarding the genetic lineage of Northern Lights; the strain seems to be a direct descendant of both Afghani and Thai landrace cannabis varieties. Below we'll take a look at some of the unique characteristics of both Thai and Afghani landrace weed.



Note that the term Landrace refers to cannabis varieties that have grown naturally in a particular region for many generations without having been crossed with strains from other parts of the world. As a result of growing in a particular region for prolonged periods and being genetically isolated from other cannabis strains, landrace varieties develop particular traits as they adapt to their local environment.



Afghan weed (also known simply as Afghani), as its name suggests, refers to landrace strains growing in Afghanistan, particularly in rural and highland regions of the country, as well as near Mazar-I-Sharif (one of the country's largest cities). These varieties are typically pure indicas with tell-tale indica traits, including dark green foliage and broad-fingered leaves, a short, stocky stature, bushy growth, and a short flowering time. Afghani strains are also known to be resilient and produce dense flowers with a tendency to go purple when grown in the right conditions. Besides being used to create Northern Lights, Afghani genetics can also be found in strains such as Ak47, Amnesia Haze, Trainwreck, and many more.



Thai weed, on the other hand, refers to landrace plants originating from, you guessed it, Thailand. In contrast to Afghani landraces, Thai plants are typically sativas and have long adapted to Thailand's warm, humid conditions and long summers. Generally speaking, these are tall plants with long, reaching branches and stems, bright green foliage, thin-fingered leaves, and a long flowering time. These strains are renowned for their unique citric and fruit aromas, as well as their potent and uplifting effects. Like Afghani, Thai weed has been used by a plethora of breeders from all over the globe to produce a wide variety of hybrids, including Juicy Fruit, Haze, Oregon Purple Thai (AKA Purple Thai), and Blueberry, among many others.



Northern Lights is an indica-dominant variety with physical traits that are very reminiscent of its Afghani parent. However, the strain's effects couple the more relaxing effects of indica-dominant strains like Afghani with the uplifting mental effects typical of Thai landraces.
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Few cannabis strains can claim to have attained the fame of Northern Lights. A knockout descendant from ancient landrace strains, Northern Lights is known for its potency and great effects, as well as providing the genetic building blocks for countle...
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ahortator

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mudballs said:
It is the tegmen, yes
The tegmen is the inner layer of the seed coat and is often thin and delicate in cannabis seeds. It surrounds and protects the embryo and endosperm inside the seed and may adhere to the emerging cotyledons during germination.
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Actually I wonder if it would be possible to clone the mother plant that made the seeds from such tegmen. As far as I know the endosperm is made of triploid 3n cells fro the double fertilization (2n from the mom inner tegument + n from the pollen).

It would be interesting in order to save the genetics of the mother plant from F1 hybrids.
 
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great thread ... its had me enthralled...............smallest seeds i have personally seen are either rsc kerala, seedman haze , largest are by far are spice of life ''bluebonic'' ...so large if you dropped one you would clearly hear it hit the floor :)
 
acespicoli

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@ahortator
Interesting food for thought, a cutting from a seedling :thinking:

@*GROWHIGH*
rsc kerala, - have
seedman haze , - have
largest are by far are spice of life ''bluebonic'' - have not seen... wish more of these old indicas were available
The old Blue the sire of the Blueberry was from the indica side, this is a current interest. Thanks for sharing

Feel free to post any seed pics :huggg:
 
ahortator

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acespicoli said:
@ahortator
Interesting food for thought, a cutting from a seedling :thinking:

@*GROWHIGH*
rsc kerala, - have
seedman haze , - have
largest are by far are spice of life ''bluebonic'' - have not seen... wish more of these old indicas were available
The old Blue the sire of the Blueberry was from the indica side, this is a current interest. Thanks for sharing

Feel free to post any seed pics :huggg:
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Actually the seedling would be intact. The aim is to clone the mother which made such seed from the exclusively mother tissue in the seed, the tegmen. Of course, if it has viable cells alive.
Doing some research it seems the whitish thicker tissue that usually gets attached to the cotyledons is the endosperm, which is not clonal tissue from the mother, but 3n, 2n (from the mom)+n (from the dad). So I guess the tegmen must be such green thin layer which cover the husk inside, or if you open a seed carefully, it covers the edosperm, or at least there is a greenish thin layer covering the base of the radicle.

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Anyway if the endosperm can make a callus, it has its own interest.

Degeneration of oil bodies by rough endoplasmic reticulum (rER)-associated protein during seed germination in Cannabis sativa L - PMC

Abstract. Oil bodies serve as a vital energy source of embryos during germination and contribute to sustaining the initial growth of seedlings until photosynthesis initiation. Despite high stability in chemical properties, how oil bodies break down ...
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mudballs

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It needs the dna that is designed to be passed onto next generation, germplasm..yes the skin has the dna..but it isnt
One reason is that different cells in the body have different functions and properties, which can affect their ability to be used for cloning. For example, some cells are specialized for specific tasks and may not be suitable for cloning purposes
i thought it was the tegmen, pealed out from the endosperm, both which comprise the seedcoat?
 
ahortator

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mudballs said:
It needs the dna that is designed to be passed onto next generation, germplasm..yes the skin has the dna..but it isnt
One reason is that different cells in the body have different functions and properties, which can affect their ability to be used for cloning. For example, some cells are specialized for specific tasks and may not be suitable for cloning purposes
i thought it was the tegmen, pealed out from the endosperm, both which comprise the seedcoat?
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I got the idea from an article where scientists resurrected 32,000 years old frozen "seeds" from earth squirrel burrows. But actually they didn't germinate such seeds, they cloned the placental tissues from immature fruits.
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I know that some structures in a seed are exclusively from the mother, so I was wondering if there is a chance to clone the mom from such structures. But I don't know if it is possible or if anoyone has done it already.

 
acespicoli

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haystack < the triploid thread

ahortator also post to this thread haystack as well please :huggg: you my get more feedback​


here is one such post over there

Somatic doubling is linked to mitotic processes (e.g., endoreduplication or endomitosis), which can take place within apical meristematic tissues or zygote cells, ultimately leading to the development of entirely polyploid organisms or mixoploid individuals
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twins and even triplets are common in angiosperms

I have three reports from growers finding natural tetraploid in landrace seeds
 
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