Malawi Style Cob Curing.

[baduy]

I wonder would lightly spraying lactobacillus on the buds before cobbing accelerate the process, and thus reduce mold risk, did someone ever try? I could imagine a 3/4 days cure this way. Maybe a stupid idea but it comes to my mind each time I think about cobs.

 

[48N]

I wonder would lightly spraying lactobacillus on the buds before cobbing accelerate the process, and thus reduce mold risk, did someone ever try? I could imagine a 3/4 days cure this way. Maybe a stupid idea but it comes to my mind each time I think about cobs.

I also thought about spraying microorganisms on the buds before harvest
And I think it would definitely speed up the curing process and make a very very smooth smoke and brown buds, maybe losing some terpenes …

 

[wolfhoundaddy]

At sam and tang...reading glasses or driving glasses.
Field research vs. Lab research.
One thing that i know is that cobbing does change things up.
And having tried it, I Like It.

I appreciate the health concerns. So buyer beware,no one is twisting your arm.
Some people are way more susceptible to mold than others. My body has survived 40 plus years of mexican bricks and still is ticking.

As far as how wasted you get, that's all up to your experience and herb tolerance.

All our trails are leading to the same destination, just go with your eyes wide open.

 

[Old Toker]

My body has survived 40 plus years of mexican bricks and still is ticking.

Me also. Not that I intentionally put crap that I KNOW is bad into this old body.....but I certainly wasn't too particular when questionable Mexican brick weed was all that was available. And for me....that has been the vast majority of my 50+ yrs of smoking.

 

[Old Toker]

I included one of my Malawi Cobs I got in the early 1970's below. I still have the empty cobs of many, but not the herb.

You saved empty cobs from the 70s? Why?

I am also wondering what changes happen to the Cannabinoids and terpenes that will improve the Cannabis effects? Have you ever analyzed the same plant buds with and without the cob cure? What changed?

I have read a number of posts from Tangwena where he clearly states that he doesn't know WHY this works....but that it does. This opinion seems to be supported by others who have also attempted this cure. He has also stated numerous times that this will NOT make bad weed better. You get back what you put in.....just a different effect. Better? That's a matter of subjective opinion. More THC? Never saw him claim that.

I have tested Malawi cobs and found micro-contaminates fungus.

Tested specifically what and how? Malawi cobs that were stuck in the thatch roof of a Malawi village and then questionably stored and transported to wherever you got them? Or a Malawi cob made under sanitary conditions from clean weed and handled correctly? Along with WHAT and HOW you tested....I'd be interested in where the lab work was performed. Dear God.... I hope you didn't buy some Malawi cob off the streets of Africa in the 70s and then check it out with a microscope.

Quite a few people seem to think this method of curing improves the quality of THEIR experience (subjective) when using the cured cobs. No complaints about illnesses either. Does that mean that cobbing is safe? Not necessarily....but is it any less safe than hang drying and jar curing? I don't know, but I would be interested in hearing how/why you seem so certain that it is. Or perhaps I just missed the point of your post. Is it that real men smoke hash?

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

You saved empty cobs from the 70s? Why?
I also have collected dozens of Lebanese hash bags from the 70's, 80's, 90's, I just collect that kind of stuff, Cannabis related, like books, art, etc, etc.
I have read a number of posts from Tangwena where he clearly states that he doesn't know WHY this works....but that it does. This opinion seems to be supported by others who have also attempted this cure. He has also stated numerous times that this will NOT make bad weed better. You get back what you put in.....just a different effect. Better? That's a matter of subjective opinion. More THC? Never saw him claim that.
Tested specifically what and how? Malawi cobs that were stuck in the thatch roof of a Malawi village and then questionably stored and transported to wherever you got them? Or a Malawi cob made under sanitary conditions from clean weed and handled correctly? Along with WHAT and HOW you tested....I'd be interested in where the lab work was performed. Dear God.... I hope you didn't buy some Malawi cob off the streets of Africa in the 70s and then check it out with a microscope.

I have had my own Cannabis lab for several decades. As well as working closely with Dr John McPartland.

Quite a few people seem to think this method of curing improves the quality of THEIR experience (subjective) when using the cured cobs. No complaints about illnesses either. Does that mean that cobbing is safe? Not necessarily....but is it any less safe than hang drying and jar curing? I don't know, but I would be interested in hearing how/why you seem so certain that it is. Or perhaps I just missed the point of your post. Is it that real men smoke hash?

Because I have seen a lot of fungal infected Cannabis in my life. Curing I do believe in, but not with with pathogens like Aspergillus, Rhizopus nigrans, Mucor hiemalis, Penicillin chrysogenum, P. italicum, Aspergillus flavus, A. fumigatus, A. niger, Rhizopus nigrans, Mucor hiemalis, Penicillin chrysogenum, P. italicum, Aspergillus flavus, A. fumigatus, A. niger, P. italicum, Rhizopus stolonifer, Alternaria alternata, Curvularia lunata, Fusarium spp., Histoplasma capsulatum. These are found in Cannabis that is stored poorly mostly.

As for do real men smoke hash? According to my Afghan smoking buddy in 1970 Afghanistan his answer was yes. I will let you decide for your self how you feel, I do know quite a few ladies that do love resin, as well as herbal Cannabis. I say smoke what you like the best.
-SamS

 

[waiter]

View attachment 415627 cold cob still does the job

 

[Old Toker]

I say smoke what you like the best.

Agreed!
Thanks for the information.

 

[waiter]

 

[McKush]

Be safe always.

Ive smoked since the 70s off and on and i prefer eating or smoking cannabis made with the Malawi Cob Cure method. Never have i gotten such good effects as i get with cobs. For me there is no question of its superior potency since i can try the same plant cob cured and traditional jar cured.

I stopped rosin and hash after starting to cob my mmj. And now mainly cob cure most of the plant and jar cure just the best tops. I still enjoy jar cured bud in its own or mixed with cob too.

 

[ReikoX]

Have you ever analyzed the same plant buds with and without the cob cure? What changed? The THC will not magically increase, what you get at harvest is what you get.

Hi Sam, I have tested the same plant with both a jar cure and a cob cure. I posted the results previously in this thread.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7705787&postcount=917

What changed was the THC% by weight (20% vs 26%). I'm sure this is due to the loss of moisture during the process. It definitely doesn't compare to 99% dry sift on any level.

 

[Tangwena]

Tangwena,
I accept your "apollagise in advance" I have had Malawi cobs many numerous times, the first time in the early 70's and many many times after that. A few I had were spectacular Cannabis they were not cured underground just in corn cobs that had a very Thai like taste and effects. I included one of my Malawi Cobs I got in the early 1970's below. I still have the empty cobs of many, but not the herb. I think my real objections were to the ones that do have mold growing on them, that can be dangerous to patients with impaired immune systems and should be avoided.
I am also wondering what changes happen to the Cannabinoids and terpenes that will improve the Cannabis effects? Have you ever analyzed the same plant buds with and without the cob cure? What changed? The THC will not magically increase, what you get at harvest is what you get. I do understand that the look, color, taste and smell can be altered by cob or other curing, I have box cured my buds for three months after a two week hung dry, I have done this for decades.

To be honest if I want stronger Cannabis I just dry sift the resin and smoke that, and a tight compressed cure squashes and smears the resin heads and makes it hard to dry sift the resin, and lowers the yield, so I do not do it.
If the Cannabis is better after a cob cure then something has changed, what is that change is my question?

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6973122&postcount=97

http://www.internationalhempassociation.org/jiha/iha01205.html

I have tested Malawi cobs and found micro-contaminates fungus. Have anyone else tested cob cured Cannabis? What was the results?
As for
"but i have seen very worldly travelers reduced to babies after a couple of drags of the best real deal chapter five Malawi and I will stand by that statement.
-Tangwena"

Your statement makes me wonder, as no herbal Cannabis reduces me to a baby, period. Even 100% pure drysift resin heads does not do that, I think we have a different idea on what a worldly traveler is. As an Afghan hashmaker/smoker told me in 1971 in Afghanistan when I asked him if he had any Afghan marijuana, he looked at me like I was dogshit on his shoe and said: Why? Ganja is for women and slaves, hashish is for men, he was serious. I explained I just wanted the seeds to grow in Calif to try and make hashish there, and then he understood laughed and we continued to smoke his Hashish in his Afghan Hubble Bubble water pipe... BTW, Seeded Ganja is less the 20% THC in most cases, while I can make hashish that is dry sifted, 100% resin heads, that is in the low 80's for THC, and terpene rich, the effects do not compare, Marijuana is the messenger, Resin is the message.

That said, do what you like and enjoy, just cause no harm.

PS Clarity and insight are from the purity and variety of resin, what Cannabinoids and terpenes they contain and in what amounts and the profile.

PSS Vacuum sealing Cannabis reduces the terpene content as under vacuum the terpenes volatilize at room temps and are sucked away, I stopped this decades ago when I realized this, I used to vacuum seal quart and 2 quart glass jars to reduce exposure to Oxygen, but I stopped when I saw and smelled in the room I worked in, the terpene loss.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7638025&postcount=100
Did Madjag ever test his cob cured bud and the same bud not cob cured? Did he post the results? I found it, good test but did he post photos of the bud tested? Cobbed and not cobbed?
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7700074&postcount=899
-SamS

Hi Sam go back to page 90 on this thread for a report by MadJag who had a cob he tested checked for nasties like you mentioned.
Because a lot of people respect your views I will be polite.
There are many many types of Malawi cob the vast majority it crap made for the back packing tourists.
When I was there in the seventies that crap was available and today is almost all you can find.

Some of the old growers were privy to special curing techniques and very good plants. The cobs they produced were nothing like the dry powdery cobs sold on the street.

These cobs were not mass produced and sold to family and friends. You had to know someone who knew the right people.
Luckily a friend of mine new someone who's family was able to get small batches of cobs every year around September.
Once they were gone there was no more until the following year.

I spent 10 years in Zambia, Malawi and Zimbabwe. It was very hard to get the real deal cobs even then. The chance that a traveler or even a resident would know the right people is very remote. I never saw cobs as good and I bought hundreds from every corner of the country.

It is my opinion that the sweat cure whether cobbed or not is the way cannabis and indeed anything to be smoked should be treated. I never saw a dried and aged bud (jar cured?)
That tasted or smoked smooth enough for my tastes.

As for power, of course it cannot increase THC thats impossible.
But if done properly it does change the effects of the high and makes it clear and mostly in the head.

I argue all the time with heavy smokers who are too lazy to try this method properly but are full of unfounded ideas as to why its no good.
Its been around for hundreds of years way before the West decided their way was better in every way and rewrote the book of cannabis.

Its up to the individual what they do. I only put this out there so people who have an open mind and question things, can try the old ways.
If you want to believe the gospel according to the new world that only started in the 50's and had no history behind it go ahead.

But for people who know that cannabis was not invented by the west in the late 50's this is a method that is time proven and has been used for hundreds of years without the need for science or testing to validate it.

The vacuum stage just helps ensure no mold. I am not vain enough to say this is something new it is not. It has just been ignored by people who thought they new better.

You have every right to your opinion but it is only that your opinion. People can make up their own minds if they want to try it or not.
To me green dried buds are unprocessed corse and a waste of bud. The same with resin made from them.

I dont want to get into a slagging match over this you have made your point. I disagree lets leave it there.

Tangwena

 

[rolandomota]

I say make a cob sam eat a few grams after aging it then come say all you want o and dont forget it has to be pure sativa

 

[Sforza]

It is all good.

I come and read this forum to learn, because I know that I have a lot to learn.

Everyone brings their own perspective, based on their own unique experiences. It seems to me that Sam and Tangwena are two of the most experienced and knowledgeable posters with experiences that most people have never had the chance to have, because they both have seen a good deal of the world and have been searching for and using the finest cannabis products for many years.

I am also an older fellow and have done my share of traveling and enjoying various forms and types of cannabis, so I can enjoy and relate to the experiences of both Sam and Tang.

It seems to me that in addition to lots of experience over vast areas of the globe, both Sam and Tang bring a passion and an analytical intelligence that leverages their experience giving them insights that they are good enough to take the time and energy to share with the rest of us. I hope they both continue to share.

No problem disagreeing, but let's try to avoid being disagreeable, since we are all in the cannabis enjoying fraternity and we all know that we ganja smokers are some mellow and cool cats. Seen?

 

[Old Toker]

..Everyone brings their own perspective, based on their own unique experiences. It seems to me that Sam and Tangwena are two of the most experienced and knowledgeable posters with experiences that most people have never had the chance to have, because they both have seen a good deal of the world and have been searching for and using the finest cannabis products for many years.

X2 Agreed.

 

[Dropped Cat]

What method of curing reduces terpene loss anyway, I wonder.

Glad to see Sam posting here, shows respect and is given respect in turn.

well done

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

For your information all Sativa is hemp, either WLH or NLH.
All drug varieties are Indica, either WLD, or NLD,
What you refer to (Sativa) is actually Indica, NLD.
Read Cannabis Evolution and Ethnobotany by Robert C Clarke. Or the earlier works by Karl Hillig.
Normally I do not eat herbal Cannabis, I do not even smoke it much, I smoke resin, as I prefer the message not the messenger.
And BTW, I have grown, cured, and aged Cannabis in every way I could find over the last 50 years, curing can alter looks, taste and effects, but as for making it stronger I have not see this.
-SamS

I say make a cob sam eat a few grams after aging it then come say all you want o and dont forget it has to be pure sativa

 

[waiter]

Hope pic works this time. Vac went walkabout so made a little tester/teaser @ 2/3 to 3/4 dried. Wrapped in paper then tightly in cling. Without vac seal decided against heat sweat, cold sweated it at around 15c for 12 days. Cured for 4 weeks now.

It's not heat sweat spec but it still beats the jarred stuff for strength. 2 others who agree with me on that after sampling. Longer with more clarity and removed some of the body heaviness this Guatemala has, can trip out abit better aswell. If only I had made more...

peace everyone.

 

[Tangwena]

Thanks for posting my friend the green look would have been more yellow with a hotter sweat but if you age it a bit it should yellow a bit and get smoother as we'll
Next time give it a go if you like it now the hot sweat will amaze you
Stay cool my friend
Tangwena

 

[waiter]

You the man tangwena, no doubt your Cobs and others here must be out of this world.
This one is almost already gone was only 4-5 g and I gave half away.
You aswell my friend, I'll see you around. All the best.