Malawi Style Cob Curing.

[Sam_Skunkman]

I have never heard of a lab that does not either desiccate the herb down to almost 0% moisture or measure the moisture and then give the THC% weighted with that info, so the %'s wet and dry should be the same unless they say it is wet % or dw as in most cases if done right. I was surprised to see the THC be 50% higher and the total of the THC & THCA & CBN were so different in the two samples they should have been the same totals? THCA 21.01 + THC 1.46 + CBN 0 = 22.47% Vs THCA 27.01+THC 2.55+CBN 0.01= 29.57%.
Also as we all know the terpene %'s and profiles and contents have the power to potentiate and modify the effects of Cannabis. Wish they had also done a terpene analysis.
-SamS

Well I got my lab results back. Interesting results, not quite what I was expecting. There was a little bit of conversion of THCA to THC and even a tiny bit of CBN, but nowhere near what I expected. It is however quite a bit stronger. And that seems to support my bio assay. Most likely this increase in THC is due to it being drier than the jar cured buds. So it seems when I load a bowl, not only am I able to put more in my bowl, but what I load is also stronger gram for gram.

What I don't get is why it seems so bioavailable when chewed. If I eat the same amount of the traditional cure, I wouldn't feel a thing. I will have to experiment with this, I'm not looking forward to chewing the green jar cured buds, but will "take one for the team".


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Jar Cured

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Cob Cured

 

[honeypie]

yoghurt, crocks and sous vide

yoghurt, crocks and sous vide

Hello Tangwena, thanks for the info. I had missed the point and thought the cobs were being dry heated whereas it would be more descriptive to say they are being cooked in water at a low temperature in a vacuum bag.

I can't wait to give this a go and regardless of Sam's informed remarks, I think the cure is fundamentally changing the drug. What got my attention was the number of experimenters who found the weed became scary and trippy.

Not perhaps what everyone is after, but it seemed good evidence that what went in was mentally different to what came out.

With regard to the cob leaves, do you know what the Africans may have wrapped the buds in before sweetcorn was available. This practice can't be that old as sweetcorn is a North american import and i'm guessing the African slaves just used whatever was at hand.

Roll on harvest time.

All the best

 

[Tangwena]

Hi my friend they also used banana tree bark not leaves but I have seen them wrapped in all manner of fibre type barks ect but most common was maize and banana bark You do not need to wrap them just loose or bricked works fine cobs are just traditional that's all
Tangwena

 

[ReikoX]

I have never heard of a lab that does not either desiccate the herb down to almost 0% moisture or measure the moisture and then give the THC% weighted with that info, so the %'s wet and dry should be the same unless they say it is wet % or dw as in most cases if done right. I was surprised to see the THC almost double and the total of the THC & THCA & CBN were so different in the two samples they should have been the same? THCA 21.01+THC 1.46+CBN 0= 22.47% Vs THCA 27.01= THC 2.55+CBN 0.01=29.57%
Also as we all know the terpene %'s and profiles and contents have the power to potentiate and modify the effects of Cannabis. Wish they had als done a terpene analysis.
-SamS

They probably did desiccate the herb then, there is no moisture content specified. I was unaware of the proper lab procedure. This was definitely not as scientific as it could have been. A small sample of only one gram was taken from each, so some of the difference could be because of the sampling error.

I also wish I had done a terpene analysis too, but I was mainly trying to see if the process caused decarboxylation. I was hoping to answer why the cob cure seemed more bioavailable when chewed. I still have some of that cob, but all of the hash and jar cured herb is LONG gone.

I strongly agree with you that you cannot add more cannabinoids, so my only conclusion was that something else was lost. To find out it is moisture, terpenes, or something else would require more testing.

 

[Tangwena]

Zamaldelica cob 5 months aged

Zamaldelica cob 5 months aged

 

[Agronom]

These are some wise cobs Tangwena!

 

[Tangwena]

These are some wise cobs Tangwena!

HA ha put it down to some wise Zamaldelica cob my friend.
Its now aged 5 months and all in my head the stone that was apparent early in the cure has all but gone. Its really trippy and super charged energetic.
When I take it its crazy time I love it, the Golden Tiger which I love also, seems very pedestrian compared to this cob.
Gotta grow this again gotta grow them all again, at this rate I will never try all the Ace freebies I have ha ha.

 

[rolandomota]

You can see the change in the tricomes they look bigger amber and on longer stalks from the pictures i have seen here

 

[Tangwena]

You can see the change in the tricomes they look bigger amber and on longer stalks from the pictures i have seen here

Thats because they hypnotize you.
You get drawn into that forest, like a forest of mushrooms, with caterpillars and hookas.
They exist for your pleasure put here for your use. Be warned its a drug of dependence, its dependent on you making it ha ha.
Just think theres a little tripp in every drop.
Tangwena

 

[beefalo bill]

What's the general consensus on wraps? I've got both dried traditional style tamale wraps (Just dried up corn husks, really) and I picked up some fresh corn-on-the-cob to strip with "fresh" leaves. This will be my first time cobbing, so I'd like to do what little material I have available in two of the same type of wraps. FWIW, when I got in my car this afternoon, my air-temp gauge read 150*F (65C!) I think an afternoon in that might be enough to get things going!

 

[wolfhoundaddy]

I used the tamale wrapper husks. Worked for me. It helped to moisten it first and pat dry.
There are a lot of wraps in a bag, i can only dream of making that many.

 

[Tangwena]

What's the general consensus on wraps? I've got both dried traditional style tamale wraps (Just dried up corn husks, really) and I picked up some fresh corn-on-the-cob to strip with "fresh" leaves. This will be my first time cobbing, so I'd like to do what little material I have available in two of the same type of wraps. FWIW, when I got in my car this afternoon, my air-temp gauge read 150*F (65C!) I think an afternoon in that might be enough to get things going!

Try both dried and fresh to see which you prefer they will give you slightly different results.
I like them all I have no preference as long as its got good buds in your golden.
As to the car excellent choice I left a cob for 7 days in a car with similar temps. It was early picked green Panama after 7 days it was chocolate brown throughout.
Once dried and aged its the most scary cob I have, completely different to the same buds sweated in a yogurt maker for 48hrs.
They were from the same plant but you wouldn't guess from the smell, taste and effect.
One is trippy and dreamy calm, the black one is scary, jumping at shadows, hearing things that aren't there, feelings of paranoia which I dont get from the shorter sweated cob.
So go for it choose the length of days you leave them in for and try and stagger the times, one plant will give you many different highs by doing this.
Tangwena

 

[RRResin]

Sam, I was skeptical about cobbing too, but I tried it according to the instructions in this thread and the result was exactly the same as all the others in this thread - when comparing jar-ed and cobbed buds from the same tree, (after 3 months or more) the cob smokes smoother and the high is better, headier and trippier...but initially the high one month after cobbing the high was heavier and not that great, but give it time and the quality of the high will improve. To me the smell of my cobs is earthier and hashier than standard cured/stored buds.

I had some cob yesterday (as I do everyday and all day lol) and was getting momentary flashes of light on the peripheral ..not just subtle glimpses as can happen with some Equatorial varieties, this was a flash bomb in comparison!..but it only happened a couple of times. With standard cured tropicals I sometimes glimpse a quick flash of movement on the peripheral of my vision.

 

[Dr. Fred]

I tried this with just a few grams from my last grow just as a little test and I'm surprised how much it changed the character of the high. It's really nice I wish I did more..I only have dry buds now

 

[RRResin]

Cobbing dried buds?

This question has been asked several times in this thread and several posters have tried or said they would and although I have read most of this thread over time, I can't recall any results posted? Anyone? I'm keen to know as I have some bagged bud that I would much rather cob but if it's too late then I won't.

I have tried cobbing a small amount of bud that had been slow dried and stored....it only sweated a drop of moisture in the sealed bag after 24 hours, so I added moisture to the exterior of the tightly packed bud, re-wrapped, re-tied and resealed it up and back on the heat source for another 36 hours....but, in my opinion, the result did not bring the improvement in the high 9although it might improve as it was only cobbed 6 or 7 weeks ago)...maybe I should of dampened the bud more before wrapping and sweating? Maybe the terpenes had already changed or evaporated off and no amount of sweating and fermenting will make an improvement?...please advise!

 

[RRResin]

I tried this with just a few grams from my last grow just as a little test and I'm surprised how much it changed the character of the high. It's really nice I wish I did more..I only have dry buds now

You're not the only one!

 

[RRResin]

I wonder if a lab will be able to tell us why the high from cobbed bud is better than non-cobbed bud?

I think what needs to be done is to find out what happens to the terpenes during the cobbing process that makes the changes in the high that we are all experiencing.

 

[Tangwena]

Cobbing dried buds?

This question has been asked several times in this thread and several posters have tried or said they would and although I have read most of this thread over time, I can't recall any results posted? Anyone? I'm keen to know as I have some bagged bud that I would much rather cob but if it's too late then I won't.

I have tried cobbing a small amount of bud that had been slow dried and stored....it only sweated a drop of moisture in the sealed bag after 24 hours, so I added moisture to the exterior of the tightly packed bud, re-wrapped, re-tied and resealed it up and back on the heat source for another 36 hours....but, in my opinion, the result did not bring the improvement in the high 9although it might improve as it was only cobbed 6 or 7 weeks ago)...maybe I should of dampened the bud more before wrapping and sweating? Maybe the terpenes had already changed or evaporated off and no amount of sweating and fermenting will make an improvement?...please advise!

Hi Rresin its great to hear that you enjoy your cobbed bud. Like anything practice makes perfect, you will learn from your cobs what the correct temps and length of sweats are for each type of bud.
They all differ in the type of cure that suites them.
As far as dried buds being resurrected by wetting ect. I personally would not bother.
Just make sure you make more cobs next harvest. Because I chew my buds and only tiny amounts at that a one ounce cob aged can last me years. If you smoke it of course you use a lot more.
Try chewing half a gram of a well aged cob and see how much longer it lasts. The high is a bit different to smoking and takes an hour or so to start working strongly but can last up to 10hrs and if you smoke a couple of drags of the same cob while coming down you will go right back up very quickly.
It just makes the cob last 10 times longer and the high lasts all day from one chew.
Tangwena

 

[brown_thumb]

RE cobbing dried bud: I semi-sealed some dried/cured buds, wrapped in parchment paper then again in aluminum foil. I baked for four hours at 150F. The cobs were placed in stainless pots with lids and the cobs were wrapped loosely in paper towels... this moderated oven temperature at the cobs. I also included orange or grapefruit peel to avoid excessive drying. When I removed the 'cobs' from the oven and unwrapped them, some steam escaped. Once mostly dried again, I removed the citrus peels and wrapped the cobs in their parchment/foil covers. This is how they stay for several days until they're gone and I bake more.

Probably, all this accomplished was decarboxylation. However, the baked weed is MUCH darker than the unbaked weed... browns and blacks. Also, it affects me very differently when eaten than when smoked.

I chew a small amount several hours before bed time (I have a very slow metabolism). Within four to six hours, I'm asleep.

If I go the next step and make extracts and edibles with butter or oil and add lecithin will this increase efficacy?

 

[beefalo bill]

I wrapped up 3 small cobs in fresh leaves last night. I ended up with about 100g total, husks, twine, and all. 12 hours in the car didn't noticeably change the color, so I'll keep going with it. I wrapped them pretty tight, to the point they're more like sticks than the preggers corn-cob look.
Does wrapping them tighter or looser affect much?