Malawi Style Cob Curing.

[Tangwena]

Hello Cobbers, and especially, Hello Tangwena!

Ever since I tried this with my summer 2016 outdoor crop of MNS's SSH from S2 seeds I made myself, I am converted.

I tried these a month after the first sweat, and didn't particularly like them. I forgot about them, left them in vaclocked bags for four months and then tried them again. What a difference!

I find the smoked cob mellow, strong, clear, smooth. Wonderful! It is my preferred smoke.

I find the eaten cob the best high of them all, very clear and functional.

And now, with my latest harvest of 4 Kali Mist females from Serious Seeds, I am ready to go at it again.

I have already made cobs from all 4 females. They are being held at about 80 degrees Fahrenheit and I will test them at the end of the summer.

I have also put some in the jar to cure, and I made about 10g of bubble hash. The KM yielded a lot of bubble.

I have noticed a few of us wondering what this would do to hash, and today, as I was cleaning up after making a load of bubble hash, I realized I had enough to do that and to have a comparison of "cobbed" vs normal bubble hash.

So now, I would like to take 2-3g of Kali Mist bubble hash and put it through this process!

I have a sous vide cooker, so I can dial in any temperature and hold it indefinitely.

Let's gather our heads on this one, gentlemen. What process would you suggest for a small puck of hash?

Now thats going to be interesting, hash should always be cured IMO. I would try 48hrs at 40 to 60c then vac seal to age it should change the trichs and terps nicely. Fresh green hash is like fresh green buds.
Thanks for posting your good results I hope you have more success with this next lot.
Keep us posted on your results my friend. respect to you my friend.
Tangwena

 

[honeypie]

any preferences for yoghurt maker?

any preferences for yoghurt maker?

Hello Tangwena, I've been looking at the many yoghurt makers for sale. Does anyone recommend any model from their own use and experience?
I'm hesitant about heating the containers without any liquid inside and coming back to find the house on fire

And they seem to come in two designs- Where the cobs could be laid flat or propped vertically. Neither seems ideal with regard to even heat transfer. Has anyone found this an issue or worked out a workaround?

My ideal yoghurt/ cob maker would be safe, with variable temperature and capable of holding 4 to 6 at a time with an even heat. But I will settle for any crap if it gets the job done.

Love the thread and especially your polite nature and dedication.

All the best

 

[vajra]

You could also consider an inexpensive sous vide cooker. They are far and away more accurate than the other methods we have been using. Plus, you can make all kinds of interesting dishes, including yogurt. Sous vide cookers can be had for $50 and up, and all can dial in any temperature you want, and hold it there for as long as you want.

 

[brown_thumb]

Sous vide will be my appliance of choice. I'll double vacuum-seal my cobs.

 

[Tangwena]

Hello Tangwena, I've been looking at the many yoghurt makers for sale. Does anyone recommend any model from their own use and experience?
I'm hesitant about heating the containers without any liquid inside and coming back to find the house on fire

And they seem to come in two designs- Where the cobs could be laid flat or propped vertically. Neither seems ideal with regard to even heat transfer. Has anyone found this an issue or worked out a workaround?

My ideal yoghurt/ cob maker would be safe, with variable temperature and capable of holding 4 to 6 at a time with an even heat. But I will settle for any crap if it gets the job done.

Love the thread and especially your polite nature and dedication.

All the best

As the members above have stated a sous vide
or slow cooker like a crock pot is ideal. The Yogurt maker I have has a 1litre container that holds liquids and the cobs can be immersed in that.
Many members use crock pots ect they will all give great results.
Tangwena

 

[The Hatter]

Thank you for the lesson, sensei. I will give this a try with my Destroyer x Orient Express Vietnam Black Pheno that should be ready to harvest in a few weeks. It's a shame I didn't read up on this back before I lost my Zamaldelic mother plant. It was an accident I had with that same Zamaldelica that actually made me interested in sweat curing which eventually brought me here.

It was one of the unstabalized original release Zamaldelicas and it grew wildly out of control, took 18 1/2 weeks to flower and thrashed itself in the lights despite being topped over and over again. Anyway the part of the plant that was up in the lights fried itself so I just chopped that part off. It was about two ounces of stringy heat stressed bud. A real rats nest. I ended up chucking the whole thing into a paper grocery bag which then got squished under a careless placed tool box. I just completely forgot about it there for a couple of weeks where it sat out in the hot summer garage. Eventually it dawned on me I had no idea what happened to the rats nest which I had put aside for butter, so I went out to the garage and found it all squished under the tool box. It was still damp. I figured it probably molded and was ready to toss it but it actually appeared to be ok on that front. It had turned a crappy dark brown color but smelled sweet and no visible signs of mold. Since it looked pretty terrible I just left it on a cookie sheet to dry and then a week later tossed it in a plastic zip lock bag and forgot about it again. Fast forward half a year and I had run out of proper smoke so I decided to smoke a bit of the brown turd looking zammy to see if it was remotely usable and to my surprise it was remarkably strong and had a very different effect than the nice manicured colas I had jarred. I had completely mistreated this stuff and yet it was solid smoke. It was this accident that made me look into why it had turned out so well despite being crushed, damp and left out in the heat. One thing led to another and now I am here. Basically, I had through my own sloppy inattentiveness crudely sweat cured that bud. I can only imagine how much potential doing this properly would have.

Thanks for the interesting lesson in old school curing techniques. I will definitely have to give this a proper try.

 

[rolandomota]

Yea sorry about my previous post i just get mad when i see people being "not nice"

 

[Tangwena]

Yea sorry about my previous post i just get mad when i see people being "not nice"

I agree there is enough bad karma in the world its nice to have a place where you can let that stuff go.
Cruising on some Golden Tiger cob today, every things fine and under control no time for bad karma ha ha

 

[Tangwena]

Thank you for the lesson, sensei. I will give this a try with my Destroyer x Orient Express Vietnam Black Pheno that should be ready to harvest in a few weeks. It's a shame I didn't read up on this back before I lost my Zamaldelic mother plant. It was an accident I had with that same Zamaldelica that actually made me interested in sweat curing which eventually brought me here.

It was one of the unstabalized original release Zamaldelicas and it grew wildly out of control, took 18 1/2 weeks to flower and thrashed itself in the lights despite being topped over and over again. Anyway the part of the plant that was up in the lights fried itself so I just chopped that part off. It was about two ounces of stringy heat stressed bud. A real rats nest. I ended up chucking the whole thing into a paper grocery bag which then got squished under a careless placed tool box. I just completely forgot about it there for a couple of weeks where it sat out in the hot summer garage. Eventually it dawned on me I had no idea what happened to the rats nest which I had put aside for butter, so I went out to the garage and found it all squished under the tool box. It was still damp. I figured it probably molded and was ready to toss it but it actually appeared to be ok on that front. It had turned a crappy dark brown color but smelled sweet and no visible signs of mold. Since it looked pretty terrible I just left it on a cookie sheet to dry and then a week later tossed it in a plastic zip lock bag and forgot about it again. Fast forward half a year and I had run out of proper smoke so I decided to smoke a bit of the brown turd looking zammy to see if it was remotely usable and to my surprise it was remarkably strong and had a very different effect than the nice manicured colas I had jarred. I had completely mistreated this stuff and yet it was solid smoke. It was this accident that made me look into why it had turned out so well despite being crushed, damp and left out in the heat. One thing led to another and now I am here. Basically, I had through my own sloppy inattentiveness crudely sweat cured that bud. I can only imagine how much potential doing this properly would have.

Thanks for the interesting lesson in old school curing techniques. I will definitely have to give this a proper try.

I should imagine that is how it was first discovered all those years ago in Africa. Playing around with it will give so many permutations of the cure you will never be 100% happy.
Every harvest I think that looks cool but maybe I should have done this or that. I could have got an even better result.
It will become an obsession a bit like growing, always seeking something a bit better.
Be warned its addictive the curing that is, the cobs are a given ha ha.
Tangwena

 

[seeded]

Here's some of the super compressed malawi cob I made. I had to cut it open to dry it out fully and now it's solid as a rock and chews like beef jerky

Outside then inside

 

[seeded]

Zamaldelica loosely cured in a brick. Front bud for comparison

 

[waiter]

Beautiful pics seeded! When breaking apart a cob I get a feeling akin to breaking open hashish, really is a wonderful extension for those with passion exploring the plant. Cheers Tangwena and all

 

[wolfhoundaddy]

I like that aspect as well. I don't produce enough to concentrate my herb. But now with cobbing i can. It's like growing your own hash. Really tickles me.
Cob on.

 

[Samuel Caldwell]

Wow. Awesome pictures, seeded!

 

[Old Toker]

Anybody use a crock pot for the sweating? Do you double bag the cobs and just lay them in the crock pot....or cover them with water? Most crock pots run hotter than 140f....should the initial sweat be less than 24 hours? Any helpful suggestions?
Thanks!

 

[vajra]

Anybody use a crock pot for the sweating? Do you double bag the cobs and just lay them in the crock pot....or cover them with water? Most crock pots run hotter than 140f....should the initial sweat be less than 24 hours? Any helpful suggestions?
Thanks!

For my first batch of cobs, I vac sealed the cobs and put them in a crockpot for 24 hrs. It was hotter than 140f I believe, but it was fine. They turned out very well.

just let them float in there, or if it gets too hot for your peace of mind, put a wire rack or veggie steamer over the top and put them in that. The heat will still get to them, just not as hot.

 

[Old Toker]

For my first batch of cobs, I vac sealed the cobs and put them in a crockpot for 24 hrs. It was hotter than 140f I believe, but it was fine. They turned out very well.

just let them float in there, or if it gets too hot for your peace of mind, put a wire rack or veggie steamer over the top and put them in that. The heat will still get to them, just not as hot.

Excellent! Thank you Vajra! If your original attempt worked well for 24 hrs....then I'll give it a shot just floating them in vac sealed double bgs. Appreciate the help!

 

[NENugger]

I don't have a vacuum sealer. Can I just use zip lock Baggie to sweat cobs?

 

[Tangwena]

I don't have a vacuum sealer. Can I just use zip lock Baggie to sweat cobs?

Hi my friend you can use any container to sweat the cobs, but the problems start when you cure them for a week or two after the sweat.
You need to cure the bud then age it to get the full benefit and it will mold very quickly as it will be damp.
If you dry it, it will not cure fully, so the cobs need to be vacuum sealed for the cure (2 weeks on average) while still moist.

Some members have done this without vacuum sealing, but many have lost the cobs by not vacuuming them. I would not risk it.

In Africa some people bury the cobs to cure them but again this can result in compost instead of buds. I would not attempt it without vacuum sealing them its not worth the heart ache of loosing your buds.

You can purchase quite cheap systems on line, but like anything you get what you pay for and they last forever so its a good investment.
Tangwena

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Tangwena,
I accept your "apollagise in advance" I have had Malawi cobs many numerous times, the first time in the early 70's and many many times after that. A few I had were spectacular Cannabis they were not cured underground just in corn cobs that had a very Thai like taste and effects. I included one of my Malawi Cobs I got in the early 1970's below. I still have the empty cobs of many, but not the herb. I think my real objections were to the ones that do have mold growing on them, that can be dangerous to patients with impaired immune systems and should be avoided.
I am also wondering what changes happen to the Cannabinoids and terpenes that will improve the Cannabis effects? Have you ever analyzed the same plant buds with and without the cob cure? What changed? The THC will not magically increase, what you get at harvest is what you get. I do understand that the look, color, taste and smell can be altered by cob or other curing, I have box cured my buds for three months after a two week hung dry, I have done this for decades.

To be honest if I want stronger Cannabis I just dry sift the resin and smoke that, and a tight compressed cure squashes and smears the resin heads and makes it hard to dry sift the resin, and lowers the yield, so I do not do it.
If the Cannabis is better after a cob cure then something has changed, what is that change is my question?

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6973122&postcount=97

http://www.internationalhempassociation.org/jiha/iha01205.html

I have tested Malawi cobs and found micro-contaminates fungus. Have anyone else tested cob cured Cannabis? What was the results?
As for
"but i have seen very worldly travelers reduced to babies after a couple of drags of the best real deal chapter five Malawi and I will stand by that statement.
-Tangwena"

Your statement makes me wonder, as no herbal Cannabis reduces me to a baby, period. Even 100% pure drysift resin heads does not do that, I think we have a different idea on what a worldly traveler is. As an Afghan hashmaker/smoker told me in 1971 in Afghanistan when I asked him if he had any Afghan marijuana, he looked at me like I was dogshit on his shoe and said: Why? Ganja is for women and slaves, hashish is for men, he was serious. I explained I just wanted the seeds to grow in Calif to try and make hashish there, and then he understood laughed and we continued to smoke his Hashish in his Afghan Hubble Bubble water pipe... BTW, Seeded Ganja is less the 20% THC in most cases, while I can make hashish that is dry sifted, 100% resin heads, that is in the low 80's for THC, and terpene rich, the effects do not compare, Marijuana is the messenger, Resin is the message.

That said, do what you like and enjoy, just cause no harm.

PS Clarity and insight are from the purity and variety of resin, what Cannabinoids and terpenes they contain and in what amounts and the profile.

PSS Vacuum sealing Cannabis reduces the terpene content as under vacuum the terpenes volatilize at room temps and are sucked away, I stopped this decades ago when I realized this, I used to vacuum seal quart and 2 quart glass jars to reduce exposure to Oxygen, but I stopped when I saw and smelled in the room I worked in, the terpene loss.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7638025&postcount=100
Did Madjag ever test his cob cured bud and the same bud not cob cured? Did he post the results? I found what he did post, good test but did he post photos of the bud tested? Cobbed and not cobbed? Or what he needs to post, analysis of the same clone buds cobbed and uncobbed to see if any differences? I have known Madjag for a long, long time, decades, he loves Cannabis for sure.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7700074&postcount=899
-SamS

Hi dave i agree with you try it you have nothing to loose i am not selling anything, the only reason i posted this method was for others to experiment with the heads they so lovingly produce.
The results are very tasty treats that I have never had anyone refuse when I offer them.
For me the high becomes deep and magical when done right. To quote another member.
"when i start talking to myself i know i am high" quote Donald Mallard I think.
Well when I get the good sativa buds from a good grow, well cured in a nice cob, i dont just talk to myself i have friends to talk with as well, ha ha.
I never ever get the clarity and insight from dry buds.
And with all due respect to Sam i doubt that he has ever had a good malawi cob, if he has I apollagise in advance, but i have seen very worldly travelers reduced to babies after a couple of drags of the best real deal chapter five Malawi and I will stand by that statement.
Tangwena