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Mac vs. PC - the great debate
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Thread = "mac vs. PC - the great debate". It's all there in the title of the thread.
1) OSX = superior operating system
2) Mac components vs PC components = can always be draw if you actually know what sort of crap a pc manufacturer uses or build your own.
3) Viruses et al. = LOL. Do you not know the answer to this one?
4) Ease of use = see answer to #3.
5) Cost of ownership = Hands down a Mac. I own both and use both in business/office and home, and have build 2 pc gamers. That is unless your time is worth shit, let alone the ongoing cost of antivirus subscriptions, constant re-installs and buying a new pc every 2 or 3 years. Macs continue to beat pc's and MS in legacy compatibility
6) Productivity = Macs. Even MS Office 2008 for the Mac is easier and faster to use then the current pc version, let alone ALL other software.
7) Bundled software = Mac. iPhoto, iTunes, iDVD, iMovie are all superior and easier to use then anything in the pc world, including paid versions of anywhere close to their price.
8) do I need to continue?
When I dropped my daughter off at UCSB as a freshman 8 years ago, maybe 15 o 20% of the students used macs. Now it is 50%. My son at a top engineering school is at least 50%.
Net effect? 15 years ago, MS's argument was "Businesses use Windows". Now and during the next 10 years, Macs will be dragged into enterprise by these graduating students who know what you didn't, that MS lied to you and to the world by saying you needed MS to be in business. And Macs will get there without ever targeting the enterprise. Why? A) Because cloud computing is making dependency on MS obsolete and 2) Because most people (unlike you) are not married to MS. They just want to get their fucking work done and go to the gym and out to dinner.
Go away or bring some facts to the discussion.
MoldyFrogToe
Member
I dont like using iphoto for camera imports. it reminds me of picasa bullshit on pc's!
had to go into image capture to find the device (my camera) so i could do it 'manually' like i used to on the pc (through my computer, copy/paste/drag-drop etc). I guess that's the best way to achieve what I want.
on the plus side i added a network printer so i dont have to get off my ass and use the usb cable
it was infinitely easier than doing so with a pc
why is almost everything easier on a mac??? it is truly amazing.
the productivity increase makes the few flaws of a mac so worth it, still
apple is very smart, they cut out the middle man and microsoft didn't.
therefore they make enormous profit on their computers
apple markets on style & functionality, not just the latter
they make customers want & be attached to their product
apple has caught the young generation through school discounts
both on the primary & secondary education levels
and tthey have retail stores, drawing the customer in for multiple reasons
can go get a computer in 30 freakin minutes
a dell takes an hour of bullshit, paperwork, and waiting for production/the mail (of course, you can "customize" it etc if that's your priority..)
it's really interesting to see them disrupt the comfortable microsoft industry
who would have expected all of this 15 years ago or so
how far will they go, will the ipad catch on, we'll see
had to go into image capture to find the device (my camera) so i could do it 'manually' like i used to on the pc (through my computer, copy/paste/drag-drop etc). I guess that's the best way to achieve what I want.
on the plus side i added a network printer so i dont have to get off my ass and use the usb cable
it was infinitely easier than doing so with a pc
why is almost everything easier on a mac??? it is truly amazing.
the productivity increase makes the few flaws of a mac so worth it, still
apple is very smart, they cut out the middle man and microsoft didn't.
therefore they make enormous profit on their computers
apple markets on style & functionality, not just the latter
they make customers want & be attached to their product
apple has caught the young generation through school discounts
both on the primary & secondary education levels
and tthey have retail stores, drawing the customer in for multiple reasons
can go get a computer in 30 freakin minutes
a dell takes an hour of bullshit, paperwork, and waiting for production/the mail (of course, you can "customize" it etc if that's your priority..)
it's really interesting to see them disrupt the comfortable microsoft industry
who would have expected all of this 15 years ago or so
how far will they go, will the ipad catch on, we'll see
Yup, superior to off the shelf PCs, easier to use, and harder to ass up.
Nah... it takes an exceptionally silly twat to fuck up a mac, and only a mildly twattish moment to screw PC to hell...
Got that in your noggin yet, (I'm gonna forgo the lowbrow name calling)?
MoldyFrogToe
Member
the unibody design is wonderful btw
when i pick the computer up no more creaking, flexing, from all the plastic parts separately screwed and clipped together
the heat dispersal via aluminum is really cool assuming it makes an appreciable difference which judging on how hot it gets compared to the dells and ibms ive used, it does!
and ive probably mentioned the magnet powr adapter but since it makes me giddy
every single laptop pc ive owned the power adapter and the connection on the motherboard always fails
not only through reg use but from tripping on the cord, which i always do
with the magnet cord on the mac this will never be a problem again
fucking genius
and it resurged my interest & love in magnets as well of course.lol
you can tell i like apple but i feel like they deserve it
good business gets good rewards and theyve done well
but in the end of the day it's still always 'what did they do for me'
when i pick the computer up no more creaking, flexing, from all the plastic parts separately screwed and clipped together
the heat dispersal via aluminum is really cool assuming it makes an appreciable difference which judging on how hot it gets compared to the dells and ibms ive used, it does!
and ive probably mentioned the magnet powr adapter but since it makes me giddy
every single laptop pc ive owned the power adapter and the connection on the motherboard always fails
not only through reg use but from tripping on the cord, which i always do
with the magnet cord on the mac this will never be a problem again
fucking genius
and it resurged my interest & love in magnets as well of course.lol
you can tell i like apple but i feel like they deserve it
good business gets good rewards and theyve done well
but in the end of the day it's still always 'what did they do for me'
Mala Tempora
Member
For a laugh I thought I'd post up the desktop of my gaming rig:
http://i43.tinypic.com/1t3dl3.jpg
I'm running Windows 7 on that set-up, and it looks almost identical to a Macintosh.
http://i43.tinypic.com/1t3dl3.jpg
I'm running Windows 7 on that set-up, and it looks almost identical to a Macintosh.
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Bud Bug
But before that you simply have to buy VMware Fusion 3 and Windows licenses. Also any virtual machine software will take away from the resources from the host machine.
And why would you want to log into Windows? Aren't we talking about how superior Macs are and thats why you bought a Mac to get away from Windows. You got me confused.
You don't buy a mac "to get away from windows".
You buy a mac because you like using stuff that works as it is designed to. Apple users are not "windows haters", they just have a preference and have very good reasons for having it.
You are not in any virtual machine when you boot into windows through boot camp (which comes free with each mac) all you have to buy is the windows license (if you do not have access to a volume license).
I can love my mac without hating windows. I can find windows completely useless and irrelevant to my life without hating it. If I ever have a need for it, though, I won't hesitate to boot it up.
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Bud Bug
Wait wait let me get this straight my two Dell notebooks and my brand spanking new Dell XPS 9000 were not designed to work the way a computer was designed to work? So you're saying my video, sound card and etc.. "just doesn't work" and I'm missing out on some "just works" Mac computing experience?
Well then now you're back into Windows running on "Brand Name" priced hardware, so what was the point of using a "just not quite there experience" Mac in the first place?
Im running 7 and mine does not look like that. The tool bar at the bottom how did you get that?
♥Mo♥
Member
As noted earlier we have two debates going. Windows OS vs Mac OS, and Mac vs PC. Two very different entities all together. I too have been in IT for many years. My personal opinion as to which is better is simple. I believe the PC to be a better machine only because a PC can be built cheaply and easily by the common person or a PC can be a highly sophisticated built machine put together by professionals or someone with experience in the vast array of hardware available to the PC. In regards to Windows and Mac OS getting viruses I believe that seeing as Windows and even as early as the Microsoft DOS OS were built from UNIX commands as Apple is, it is not like the Mac cannot or has not ever gotten a virus, they have. So has Linux, I believe the hackers simply choose to target Microsoft as a vendetta for their years of shady business practices.
Regarding Microsoft's shady business practices, look up how Microsoft paid $10,000 for DOS and left the original inventor hanging, or how Xerox just handed Microsoft the mouse GUI. Cool thread.
Regarding Microsoft's shady business practices, look up how Microsoft paid $10,000 for DOS and left the original inventor hanging, or how Xerox just handed Microsoft the mouse GUI. Cool thread.
So you've never had to jump through hoops to get something to work properly on a windows machine? kudos to you then, you are in a small crowd.
Whatever, bro... I've used both and mac works more smoothly... Windows is constantly playing catch up... don't take it so personally... I'm no windows hater, I use what gives a better experience. The point? I think you need to re-read all my posts in this thread if you don't get it still... The point is I have had the ability to run windows on my mac (for free) for years and have NEVER had one reason to do so.... But if i do have some single solitary quirk of a reason, I can do it.
p.s. sorry you wasted your dough on those dells.
j/k
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I guess you missed the part where I also mentioned boot camp. It's there for high end gaming and for cheapskates. either way, boot camp runs windoz as fast or faster then any pc.
so there you go.
pssst. boot camp is free and can be run on any intel mac. You still have to spend $120 for a shitty copy of windoz though.
♥Mo♥;3322987 said:As noted earlier we have two debates going. Windows OS vs Mac OS, and Mac vs PC. Two very different entities all together. I too have been in IT for many years. My personal opinion as to which is better is simple. I believe the PC to be a better machine only because a PC can be built cheaply and easily by the common person or a PC can be a highly sophisticated built machine put together by professionals or someone with experience in the vast array of hardware available to the PC. In regards to Windows and Mac OS getting viruses I believe that seeing as Windows and even as early as the Microsoft DOS OS were built from UNIX commands as Apple is, it is not like the Mac cannot or has not ever gotten a virus, they have. So has Linux, I believe the hackers simply choose to target Microsoft as a vendetta for their years of shady business practices.
Regarding Microsoft's shady business practices, look up how Microsoft paid $10,000 for DOS and left the original inventor hanging, or how Xerox just handed Microsoft the mouse GUI. Cool thread.
Sorry - don't see how you can try to separate OSX from a Mac since they are one in the same. but you can runs windoz on most pc boxes from hundreds of cheap manufacturers.
I don't get your point really.. did you think the thread was about pc's that don't run windoz as compared to other types of pc's that are macs? Oh yeah, the macs run OSX so wtf?
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Bud Bug
Its a boot manger, nothing that hasn't been done for ever. At the end you still go into Windows (Strange why would you go back into windows since a MAC is so superior) running on over priced hardware that most modern OS can run on.
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Bud Bug
But but this was about how superior and "just works" MAC's vs unstable pc's Because we all know windows pc's are so unstable no one can be productive with them
I use Linux Mint 99% of the time and log into Home XP through virtual box if i need something thats Windows only. I could care less about windows.
So what? I don't play video games I never had a reason to get a MAC since Linux or Windows gives me everything PLUS much more then a MAC can give me. Oh and 99.9% of Linux distros are free.
If you want Job's way or the highway computing experience then get a MAC, if you want freedom as a consumer just get a plain old unstable and unproductive pc.
I see you are the Straw Man argument type, bud bug. Since you only make assumptions and put words in my mouth, and have no interest in a real discussion about things I actually said... I'm not going to engage you at all. Good day kiddo.
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Don't be stupid, I was pointing out, to another pc user, the fact that he can still run his precious pc games natively on a mac. You think you are teaching me what a boot manager is?
I myself, never have the need to these arcane games.
Try to keep up.
And i watch my son use his iPhone to securely log into client's pcs running xp, vista or 7 or linux and fix them all the time from his iPhone. So your point is? That you use Linux? And still your point is?
My son makes a living fixing windoz. He seldom fixes macs, but is a card carrying mac technical expert. If it is a mac call, it is usually an old person wanting to learn how to do something.... not fix something. Most of these old people have moved beyond AOL on their pc and are just loving how they can do things on their new macs they never could on their pc's.
sigh. Linux. sigh.
