Do you even companion plant bro?
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Pendleton
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Those book suggestions aren't mutually exclusive. Everyone interested in working with soil should read "Teaming with Microbes". "Chemicals, Humus, & the Soil" is great, takes a scientific and research based approach to examine the argument between conventional and Howard/Rodale organics, and the truth it seems is fairly in the middle of the road.
And if it weren't fer the soil scientists I woul know which bennies to run in my hydro system!
il19z8rn4li1
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lol ive convinced myself your avatar is your self portrait lol
Just watered my plants with a nice alfalfa/kelp tea yesterday along
with a top dressing of comfrey leaves with a covering of 1-2inch of screened garden compost.
Should be plenty of life in there now. Just gotta keep up on the watering.
some plants took better then others, can tell they are full of roots
since they weight nearly half what some other plants weigh.
Slowly but surely
this stuff isnt rocket science thats for sure.
il19z8rn4li1
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HAHAHAHAH FUCKING SHRUTE!!!!
hahah Love Dwight, hahah dude cracks me shit up!!! lol
Its still you though
Even since photoshopped, makes it more personal and you hahahhaSo Weird.
Yesterday I took cuttings again and trying a different method to get them to root.
I just have a soil bed with about 6inches of soil, its 3x3. Just a lil pan. Might cause me more issues
then its worth having because of size... but so far plants are growing in it.
But with the cuttings. I just cut them, stuck in a cup of water while I cut them all.
Then I just stuck them straight into the soil bed, about 3-4inches deep.
Watered with a tea of the kelp/alfalfa with additional silica fulvic and aloe goodies.
Put a humidity dome over top of it and left them be. Ill be checking in on them Sunday or monday, probably
Sunday night.
im expecting them to be all wilted over and dying... but if they aer not wilted, then I think i found a winner method
Im not trying to baby my plants... i dont want to do that.. I just want them to grow with all requirements met
for them.
Blumats For The Win
il19z8rn4li1
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yea, eventually ill try blumats out.
right nwo, i have an under watering wicking setup.
i would be concerned about what is being chelated out of a soil mix,
with things like azomite in that has higher levels of metals that wont normally be picked up by a plant.
this is proven by GC testing of plants tissues.
chelators and chelation are what make soil "salty" specifically with sodium that is chelated to the target nutrient.
bringing up "other" salts into this just exposes a lack of understanding.
when mixed with water and poured into the soil the sodium attaches with the plant ferts to receptors on the roots ionicly like weird said, but the plant cannot choose how much it ingests due to the presence of the chelating agents.
this is less about salt or even sodium levels in plant tissue as it is the clogging of the vascules (sp?) with unused chelated nutrients.
this transitional form of growing could be loading a plant with whatever is in the soil that can be chelated.
c h e l a t i o n
peas n carrots
pwf
with things like azomite in that has higher levels of metals that wont normally be picked up by a plant.
this is proven by GC testing of plants tissues.
chelators and chelation are what make soil "salty" specifically with sodium that is chelated to the target nutrient.
bringing up "other" salts into this just exposes a lack of understanding.
when mixed with water and poured into the soil the sodium attaches with the plant ferts to receptors on the roots ionicly like weird said, but the plant cannot choose how much it ingests due to the presence of the chelating agents.
this is less about salt or even sodium levels in plant tissue as it is the clogging of the vascules (sp?) with unused chelated nutrients.
this transitional form of growing could be loading a plant with whatever is in the soil that can be chelated.
c h e l a t i o n
peas n carrots
pwf
MJtheIndicator
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Yup, if the garden is depending on fertilizer based in phosphate salt minus chelation they will convert metals into insolubles. I wouldn't call it an achilles heel, nor would I claim that farmers who balance such practices failures, for they win plenty of awards and accolades and seem to foster a never-ending cycle of seminars.
Conversely, I wouldn't use pejoratives to marginalize them either as if to say their gardening practices are unsound, detrimental or "approaching" success. They care just as much as anyone else which is their motivation towards micronutrients. I would encourage a living organic soil which can harness such balance, but it can leave a person banging their head against brick by default of the soil's geographic source which makes even LOS a transitional effort wherein the gardener is still chasing the dragon to afford a plant micronutrients.
Conversely, I wouldn't use pejoratives to marginalize them either as if to say their gardening practices are unsound, detrimental or "approaching" success. They care just as much as anyone else which is their motivation towards micronutrients. I would encourage a living organic soil which can harness such balance, but it can leave a person banging their head against brick by default of the soil's geographic source which makes even LOS a transitional effort wherein the gardener is still chasing the dragon to afford a plant micronutrients.
MJtheIndicator
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You're right conversely is a pretentious adverb to ramp with, I would have went with contrarily, but its too delicate. Contrariwise flows better, then again both suffer a reaganesque veneer.
il19z8rn4li1
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MJtheIndicator
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“Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.” ― Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Classic usage of which I still adore, but dociron has the right idea. I would love reading what the honorable folks of International Cannagraphic Magazine have to say concerning micronutrients within the context of living organic soil.
Classic usage of which I still adore, but dociron has the right idea. I would love reading what the honorable folks of International Cannagraphic Magazine have to say concerning micronutrients within the context of living organic soil.
il19z8rn4li1
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hahah NO SHIT...
Alice in Wonderland is a favorite of mine. I guess I have not seen it enough yet to have picked that up.
gonna have to space out a bit and give her a watch again
There is no fixed context, which makes it a difficult question to answer. Indoors building your soil from scratch is one animal, working with existing soil outdoors another.
Size and scope also matters.
That said, I was always a huge fan of treating minor nutrient problems with foliar feeding. Ionic fertilizers work great this way and at a greater efficiency and best part your not disturbing the soil ecosystem.
I am also a big fan of running small trials parallel to your current method to get a feel for it before completely transitioning.
These things can help minimize the learning curve.
