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Living organic soil from start through recycling CONTINUED...
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How would you say its cheap ??? actually a person would probably pay more for initial start up someone should ask MENDO what his goodies / amendments cost him he had about 3 - 5 skids adds up big time the average grower will go where ??? Home depot , Rona ??? your local green house ?? remember there there to make money ,, the cost 12 - 20 bucks a pop for items ?????
list can get pretty big and before you know its a couple hundred bucks Easy and that's before the base mix cost comes in And lets not forget micro nutrients Silica's, etc and its not going to amend 25 - 26 yards of soil more like 40 - 50 cubic feet when your dealing with 1 - 2 cups here 1/2 cups there how many cups are there in a liter or gallon then you will realize initial start up is very expensive
How many MJ growers actually get there soil tested??? how much of what is really needed when you amend
And most importantly lets not forget the increase in aphids , gnats into the equation either just have a look in the sick, bug problem section expect more of it when you jump to organics just look at the rise of pest issues5 - 10 years ago un herd of aphids in a indoor grow room but since the jump to organics its rising faster then root rot lol
its not just micro organisms its the insects , worms , fungus nematodes play just as a important role then micro organisms...
Everyones a pro all of a sudden in organics lol Truth is we hardly know anything about soil biology when you come to really think about it
we just copy someone recipe and make the biggest FAD TEAs owe we got to feed them micro's lol
how many people here know that the plant itself also feeds Excretes carbs etc to feed and lure fungus / micros to there root system ???? its all about there shit peeps worms shit etc
all i am getting at here is don't sell salts out people are killing it out there for yields terps and so on
Cause at the end of the day NPK is NPK plant one is readily available other is not who has the advantage >>????
Remember were growing weed indoor as fast and as effcient as we can thats the bottom line
Its like comparing organic soil grow to DWC lol DWC will kill it in growth and Yields
I use both organics and chem mid veg till the end and i am happy with results
i grow organic outside in my garden ..
you give any plant the proper lights , enviroment it will produce what that strain is capable of people got to get that organics produces way better quality crap out of there head many factors are in play right to proper drying and curing
organics farming cannot sustain us thats a fact if tomorrow we only relied or organic produce this fall billions of people would starve to death thats a fact
can you imagine with less tons of soya, wheat and all other stuff imagine buying a loaf of bread for 25.00 milk 40.00 people living now pay check to paycheck could you imagine the hardships to come if we flipped to organics ???
Owe WEIRD 4 1/2 week veg under current from clones growth rates ridiculous yields ridiculous
Pendleton
Member
If you take a step back from the forums for a few weeks or a month things become clear. So much time gets wasted here typing up speeches that are more about arguing with someone with different believes or blabbering on about how they followed the rules and they're part of the club. It has so little to do with gardening and so much to do with upholding some social BS. These big gabbers can discount their critics all they want, but this is all static and noise. All this growing, and sharing , could be done with 99% less bullshit - but that would require killing ego. By being on a forum all the time acting like a big shot you're proving you aren't. The actual big shots are too busy to waste that much time in a day on a forum.
talking conceptually is one thing, doing the work and posting the results another, guess which one requires a little more than just ego.
I am sure if I went into other threads where people were exploring new methodology that was of interest to them and critiqued that methodology using my own as a contrast my welcome would be worn out quite quickly.
It is ok, I am real good at uncovering peoples motives, and I real kind so I don't go for the jugular right away.
I am sure if I went into other threads where people were exploring new methodology that was of interest to them and critiqued that methodology using my own as a contrast my welcome would be worn out quite quickly.
It is ok, I am real good at uncovering peoples motives, and I real kind so I don't go for the jugular right away.
il19z8rn4li1
Member
I agree with you bobblehead
IMO...
Chem ferts when used RESPONSIBLY and CORRECTLY,
many people use them WRONG, will compliment EVERY
method of natural/organic gardening.
Example where this is essential..
during the beginning of spring time when soil is still too cool
to release enough nitrogen from the organic matter to support
demanding crops, they and the microbes can benefit from a lil
shot of N,
to use chem ferts though, one must be savy with soil tests and
knowing how to interpret them.
Good read
Have you by chance ever read...
Humus, Chemical and the Soil
by Donald Hopkins
?
Great book, finished it over this past winter, opened my eyes thats for sure.
I would say though, that a WELL DEVELOPED soil structure and biology are required BEFORE the additions of chem ferts.
Im not preaching shit here btw... just mentioning a lil science is all. people think science is evil sometimes, but it IS here to help us.
CACTUSFLOWER
Member
I have an unworked untested cross I'm running this year, I call it THE PENDlETON
I agree with you bobblehead
IMO...
Chem ferts when used RESPONSIBLY and CORRECTLY,
many people use them WRONG, will compliment EVERY
method of natural/organic gardening.
I agree up until you say compliment EVERY method.
If you look at the toughest organic certifications, they basically tout sustainable organics, biodynamic, permaculture, whatever buzz word or angle of attack you want to take.
The world records posted previously were broken by using organics without chems or gmos, but by using organic methods.
I know how to transitionally garden and it was a great way to guarantee results, and can even have valuable applications but aren't necessary for optimal results.
You know how many dudes I know growing organically and slaying it? Take a look at lapides thread for example. Too many people succeeding at what people say others say is impossible.
Organics is about concepts, applied organics is methodologies, and results are what is all about.
If your not about the methodologies and results, why come in to argue it conceptually?
If you really think you embrace a superior method why sell it here, why not in your own forums?
I don't see hps dudes going into microgrow forums suggest that light dynamics dictate they are doing it wrong.
How many of you have a vested interest in your methodology, egotistical or otherwise that you would deviate from your forums to here?
pics 3 & 4 out of sequence
LOS is still relatively new to me and I am still learning and I expect to learn more and see it expressed successfully in my garden.
Still haven't got to blumats or CO2 in this room yet. When the soil is perfectly tuned I will tweak the other environmentals, if it is even necessary.
LOS is still relatively new to me and I am still learning and I expect to learn more and see it expressed successfully in my garden.
Still haven't got to blumats or CO2 in this room yet. When the soil is perfectly tuned I will tweak the other environmentals, if it is even necessary.
il19z8rn4li1
Member
Not doing anything here but conversing peacefully, not trying to say anything
as a STATEMENT, and Ill be quick to retract an inaccurate claim I might have made.
as I will do right now.
I feel the same in respects to the "EVERY method" remark, was a lil much and a lil
disrespectful to blanket statement and to group EVER METHOD like that.
Each are unique, and you have shown that with experience. I believe you,
not saying you are, but you dont have to act like your teaching me or making
me a believer, I know the natural/organic(i dont like using organic much because of the FDA lol, their organic is just clean water filled veggies lacking nutes usually, "sufficiency")
works amazing and I can content to it with my own veggies.
been natural producer grower for 6 years now and I will tell you first hand,
adopting the practices, i should say... STEALING THE IDEAS OF OTHERS,,,
and throw them into my garden and biology has been nothing but upward
and forward progress
I collect and save seeds, and my germ rates on my veggies are really good
compared to the craps rates id get from 6-7 yrs ago when soil was junk and
the crops I had were GMOs or hybrids and just sucked lol. But
with those crops Ive noticed progression lol "go figure"
Im just a very avid reader, and I dont just like reading one thing.. I read everything..
non-bias and totally open for change and reform, if its accompanied by equal
or great results in ANY GIVEN task that I maybe partaking in at that given moment
in time
I like to absorb it all, then come to my own conclusions based on not only reading,
but also the extended act of putting what I read into practice and then achieve
my own personal results in my environment in my locale with what ever ingredients
are available and with whatever im growing or doing.
As of now, your right, william albrecht stuff is Theory and there isnt enough
scientific data recorded yet to prove it worthy and sustainable.
A lot of his works though are guided in the direction of "what can be sourced locally
that is in abundance"
and imo... there is a lot of chemical waste, and if we can be responsible with
its additions to soils, which quickly increase the break down time
of these chemicals, and can test the resulting produce and show its safe to consume
and is nutritious, Im all for it.. we are going to make GARBAGE forever... we
gotta find ways to clean it up kinda get what im saying? not sure if
my wordy posts was just full of air or not lol but maybe some people get my jist.. or point.
Im not a guy that is really FOR or AGAINST anything... lol I do my thing lol
I will be fully open minded and will continue my tests with such things
in order to achieve some definitive data though regarding the chem topic.
in the mean time though.. you better fucking believe ill be growing from
naturally biology derived nutrients.
as a STATEMENT, and Ill be quick to retract an inaccurate claim I might have made.
as I will do right now.
I feel the same in respects to the "EVERY method" remark, was a lil much and a lil
disrespectful to blanket statement and to group EVER METHOD like that.
Each are unique, and you have shown that with experience. I believe you,
not saying you are, but you dont have to act like your teaching me or making
me a believer, I know the natural/organic(i dont like using organic much because of the FDA lol, their organic is just clean water filled veggies lacking nutes usually, "sufficiency")
works amazing and I can content to it with my own veggies.
been natural producer grower for 6 years now and I will tell you first hand,
adopting the practices, i should say... STEALING THE IDEAS OF OTHERS,,,
and throw them into my garden and biology has been nothing but upward
and forward progress
I collect and save seeds, and my germ rates on my veggies are really good
compared to the craps rates id get from 6-7 yrs ago when soil was junk and
the crops I had were GMOs or hybrids and just sucked lol. But
with those crops Ive noticed progression lol "go figure"
Im just a very avid reader, and I dont just like reading one thing.. I read everything..
non-bias and totally open for change and reform, if its accompanied by equal
or great results in ANY GIVEN task that I maybe partaking in at that given moment
in time
I like to absorb it all, then come to my own conclusions based on not only reading,
but also the extended act of putting what I read into practice and then achieve
my own personal results in my environment in my locale with what ever ingredients
are available and with whatever im growing or doing.
As of now, your right, william albrecht stuff is Theory and there isnt enough
scientific data recorded yet to prove it worthy and sustainable.
A lot of his works though are guided in the direction of "what can be sourced locally
that is in abundance"
and imo... there is a lot of chemical waste, and if we can be responsible with
its additions to soils, which quickly increase the break down time
of these chemicals, and can test the resulting produce and show its safe to consume
and is nutritious, Im all for it.. we are going to make GARBAGE forever... we
gotta find ways to clean it up
kinda get what im saying? not sure if my wordy posts was just full of air or not lol but maybe some people get my jist.. or point.
Im not a guy that is really FOR or AGAINST anything... lol I do my thing lol
I will be fully open minded and will continue my tests with such things
in order to achieve some definitive data though regarding the chem topic.
in the mean time though.. you better fucking believe ill be growing from
naturally biology derived nutrients.
il19z8rn4li1
Member
I agree, hahah thats why i said all the real MEAT of this thread, is located in the ORIGINAL THREAD that this one is continued from.
Took me 2 weeks to read this entire thread lol
and those 2 weeks were very quiet
I step back a lot from the forums, I agree with you, its healthy lol
il19z8rn4li1
Member
I ignore all the target comments and what not, those dont phase me
im here to learn and absorb... thats all.. more so steal others methods
thats what this world is about anyways lol
(i love using the word STEAL lol people always get all goofy inside lol)
I care nothing baout credit or ego, I care only to better myself, for if i dont better myself I have zero ability to help or better others around me... my goal in life. Gotta be selfish first in order to be ultimately selfless
BUt dude. Weird,.
made props to your success and def kiling the gardens
Mother nature is proud of you
She pats you on teh back and gives you a quickie lol
one day ill meet your standards lol im about 10 notches lower atm lol
cloning is kinda of a pain in the ass because I have to check them like every other day... and its a pain having to do that because
its a 25mins drive one way.
next thing im trying is just putting the cuttigns straight into the soil
with a humidity dome over them. see how they turn out that way.
85'F pretty steady though.. tight spaces suck.. lol
Pendleton
Member
Donald Hopkins, Chemicals, Humus and Soil should be MANDATORY reading for anyone interested in conventional or organic farming.
Weird I have you on ignore, but could you please use the edit to combine your posts? There's no need for there to be 5 or 6 posts in a row by you on every page.
Weird I have you on ignore, but could you please use the edit to combine your posts? There's no need for there to be 5 or 6 posts in a row by you on every page.
il19z8rn4li1
Member
I agree with you bobblehead
Have you by chance ever read...
Humus, Chemical and the Soil
by Donald Hopkins
?
I haven't read that one, but I'll add it to my summer reading list.
Thanks for the tip.
Teaming With Microbes is great even if you plan on growing with chemicals. For real dude you just exude negativity in your posts. You win the award for posting the most words and pictures. This isn't my way is better than your way. It's about the possibilities when you keep an open mind. I have yet to discount your methods, I just choose not to adhere to them.
