Living organic soil from start through recycling CONTINUED...

[milkyjoe]

The thing that bugs me the most is los is like a religion. You post pics with purple petioles...an obvious deficiency and claim perfection.

Polyhybridsc crossed with polyhybrids may be loud, may be pretty in a bag and may have high thc. They may also have root systems that refuse to take up enough base cations.

But if you are a member of the church of los you refuse to see the truth. Purple petioles ain't perfect health period. You gotta deal with the reality of pathetic breeding in your industry...or not...you can always believe. Just like the retards at a tent festival...ain't nobody splitting atoms in that crowd.

Sorry...had to vent.

 

[Weird]

lets show some transitional nuggets u a lil closer, going through what I happen to have up in my album.

 

[Weird]

now lets look at some organic plants no salts or chems whatsoever

no co2, no temp control

20 + oz 5 gallon homer, organic teas nothing else

some los

 

[Weird]

 

[Weird]

The thing that bugs me the most is los is like a religion. You post pics with purple petioles...an obvious deficiency and claim perfection.

Polyhybridsc crossed with polyhybrids may be loud, may be pretty in a bag and may have high thc. They may also have root systems that refuse to take up enough base cations.

But if you are a member of the church of los you refuse to see the truth. Purple petioles ain't perfect health period. You gotta deal with the reality of pathetic breeding in your industry...or not...you can always believe. Just like the retards at a tent festival...ain't nobody splitting atoms in that crowd.

Sorry...had to vent.

cute, half those strains i bred myself, the others everyone else grew so you can look at how the same cut came out in different gardens and compare.

Most of the "elites" I ran that came out so nice were run once or twice and done. That my work on a first date, without a professional setup because I don't live in legal climate where I feel comfortable running in a way I can't rip down in a few hours.

I also did that because some of those cuts like chem d and others don't just grow themselves, see I don't need a perfect cultivar, all I need is a plant with heady resin. Ill will get them sweet ladies to put out, without breaking the bank, poisoning the plant or a plethora of tools.

I also grew them with indoor temp ranges of high 40s to high 90s

with nothing than reading ph

In all those years no pesticides, no fungicides regardless of how I was growing

Now as far as purple petioles, when they make it impossible to put dank ass top nuggets, ill worry about them.

Id rather have purple petioles (aka coming in on the underfeed) and catch up with "a flick of the wrist" than have to spray the shit out of my pot with proteins to reduce nitrogen.

so much easier to add more than take away.

there are so many misconceptions its gross

I never preached LOS. Just shared the results. That bothers you, you have some issues.

But I get it. I really do.

Everybody goes overboard because they think more guarantees a better result before they even finish the process

greed pure and simple

sit back and let the plant teach you something instead of albrieght and everyone else

he learned from them too

 

[Weird]

bottom line is barring any comparison to any measure but my own do you really think I haven't seen enough good examples of pot to know what I like, and what the differences in techs are?

You still think I am missing out?

I never once questioned why you anything you do, I just think your a real instigator for thinking I NEED to know the plant from your perspective , something I have never cared for.

I would take the fun out of it for me. I spent 30 years in IT, this was my way to get away from science and connect with nature.

If I wanted to use science to get better results, how much better would they be?

SHOW ME

and how happy would I be doing things in a way that don't please me?

you guys think of what your argument here is other than to be fucking douche bags trying to justify the need to transitional garden so you can guarantee your stacks

im not that fucking dumb, I was young once too


SORRY - venting session over

 

[CACTUSFLOWER]

Dear Weird

Dear Weird

bottom line is barring any comparison to any measure but my own do you really think I haven't seen enough good examples of pot to know what I like, and what the differences in techs are?

You still think I am missing out?

I never once questioned why you anything you do, I just think your a real instigator for thinking I NEED to know the plant from your perspective , something I have never cared for.

I would take the fun out of it for me. I spent 30 years in IT, this was my way to get away from science and connect with nature.

If I wanted to use science to get better results, how much better would they be?

SHOW ME

and how happy would I be doing things in a way that don't please me?

you guys think of what your argument here is other than to be fucking douche bags trying to justify the need to transitional garden so you can guarantee your stacks

im not that fucking dumb, I was young once too


SORRY - venting session over

I always enjoy your comments and like seeing things from a different perspective, I've heard to mix an amendment with ewc for top dressing, and I think you say that you even mix your ewc down with compost, sorry memory isn't perfect, when can ewc be too much of a top dressing, I know every situation is different, I grow outside irrigated, but what should I look for?
Maybe a prescription for you would be o grow outside in a relaxing place. But of course there are always responsibilities, curiosities, and passions. Or maybe not always. My guess is that you would evolve on a chunk of land and a different experience. Just a thought. None of my business I know.

 

[CACTUSFLOWER]

Von- I was pondering the effectiveness of putting nutrient accumulator plants in containers.

I feel it is kinda beating around the bush, the plant can only uptake what it has available to them. If all you are supplying them is a soil mix you made with bought ingredients, then i feel it defeats the purpose.

Plants only do as well as the surrounding soil that supports them. With that in mind certain "weeds" will grow better in one soil type then another, every plant has a specific enzyme system that keeps them happy and allows them to grow to their potential, and every enzyme system has a accompanying mineral composition.

For example Yarrow I likes sand/clay soils with little nutrition and humus. A great waste place road side soil builder. You can have that yarrow give off thousands of seeds and they will only germinate where the soil has the right mineral/enzymes system active. While yarrow grows in many types of soil it thrives on "dead" soil.

I would be interested if it would work well and the yarrow would flourish or if it flop because of the rich soil I am sure you will use.

I like using accumulator plants a lot. Importing nutrients into my garden by way of plants fits my way of life perfectly. I like them just because of that reason importing minerals from deep within the earth to provide to my plants at no cost and little impact on the enviroment.

Just my thoughts

Timbuktu

How much do you think removing dynamic accumulators from some unproductive land could do?

 

[il19z8rn4li1]

How much do you think removing dynamic accumulators from some unproductive land could do?

depending on the plant...
they will do just great... they are "bio-accumulators" after all..

Comfrey: with its 15 ft tap roots... will pull up a many a goodies from
the depths beneath.


Borage and Yarrow i believe have nice sized tap roots also.


They will be surely successful in makign some teas.




My comfrey is sprouting outside finally
This will be the 2nd season for her, so im sure she has a full sized
tap root lol The patch is rather large.

 

[il19z8rn4li1]

now lets look at some organic plants no salts or chems whatsoever

no co2, no temp control


20 + oz 5 gallon homer, organic teas nothing else

View Image

Weird I have to ask .. Only because I have went thouugh almost
all of your threads, and I dont see a single grow log or anything of the sort...

If I missed it... link me please, then Ill go whip myself for
being so foolish as to over look things.


lol



you know what they say,
.....

 

[FatherEarth]

you wont ever see what your missing out until you do it right. Speed of growth, leaf size and shine, % of terpenes and essential oils, and yield based on pot size and light source #'s. Nobody can show you those things, they are self realizations. some folks have the " cant miss what cha never had" attitude and are happy with what is their best grow to date or putting par with other folks with the same cut. To each their own.
Big ups to the folks pioneering new frontiers and taking it beyond where others dare to go.

Bless Up!

FE

 

[il19z8rn4li1]

you wont ever see what your missing out until you do it right. Speed of growth, leaf size and shine, % of terpenes and essential oils, and yield based on pot size and light source #'s. Nobody can show you those things, they are self realizations. some folks have the " cant miss what cha never had" attitude and are happy with what is their best grow to date or putting par with other folks with the same cut. To each their own.
Big ups to the folks pioneering new frontiers and taking it beyond where others dare to go.

Bless Up!

FE

I couldnt agree more. All my friends think im crazy for the why I do things. Never check pH... Lol. Temps meh... Lol

Still not record breakint results, but my bud always Smells better and taste better then anyone of my friends using chems. They always ask how i do it... I simply reply...I dont do it...the microbes do it for me. Lol.

Some of my friends are botany grads, and have horrible plants....and never read a horticulture book and never heard of any of the big names in plants. They can only remark on Mendel, lol.

This method of growing has been around forever and is the most sustainable imo/e.

 

[wodi]

Sustainable agriculture for the win. Fusion farming

 

[vitamingreeninc]

So @weird what is your soil mix? You like the combination of synthetic and organic or the full organic water only-no till? Even 10oz in a 5 gallon only water and AACT sounds amazing- hook me up with the details dude thanks!

 

[Coba]

Bless Up! Respect.

 

[il19z8rn4li1]

So @weird what is your soil mix? You like the combination of synthetic and organic or the full organic water only-no till? Even 10oz in a 5 gallon only water and AACT sounds amazing- hook me up with the details dude thanks!

thats what im saying...

Ive read most all of his posts...


and I am probably one of the few that has read this ENTIRE THREAD,
the original and this new continued one.
I even took DETAILED notes I've been planning on making a thread to SUMMARIZE this thread lol

The original has all the meat in it though, this continued one doesnt really have shit for any kind of details or information..

more bickering in this thread then the other one.

 

[Coba]

thats what im saying...

Ive read most all of his posts...


and I am probably one of the few that has read this ENTIRE THREAD,
the original and this new continued one.
I even took DETAILED notes I've been planning on making a thread to SUMMARIZE this thread lol

The original has all the meat in it though, this continued one doesnt really have shit for any kind of details or information..

more bickering in this thread then the other one.

This thread should've ended when the OP left the site. Along side his Mentor(s) and students. They went on ... and created an entire website devoted to this way of gardening in the wake of this one constantly criticized, highly volatile thread.

The first thread was just as or even more so filled with bickering, contempt, elitism , and ridicule ... it's just that ICmag has edited it ... probably, due to it riding on the cusp of something very beautiful and important. Sustainable Organic Cannabis gardening.

Sure organics have been around a while but, these guys were making it relevant in the market place. Maintenance, yield, bag appeal, FLAVOR ... nothing can beat this style of organic ... that's why everyone is doing it now. Take Scott for instance. I remember reading how he used to laugh at his customers, reading his own words mind you, because, they told him that this was the "best organic grown herbs they've ever smoked", him knowing the whole time that they were salt grown. I bet you could find one of his threads here where he calls them stupid for thinking they were organically grown.

Then he starts selling his own brand of organic soil ?...?...?...?...?....?

The fact of the matter is ... this thread has always been and will always be a hotbed of controversy. Humanity is a hotbed of controversy.

and, I'm drinking so I should close my browser before I get too ...

 

[ghostmade]

Great point ,and Dont forget how cheap it is coba.lol its the holy grail. Flame on!lol

 

[Scrappy4]

Hey Wierd, every so often an idiot wind blows through. Almost like clock work.

This, living organic soil, or whatever else you want to call it, is by now shown to be a fairly sustainable way to grow indoor organic medicine. It's like a religion, in the end it's all personal and private. Exactly what you feed is up to you. But if you continue to bypass the soil food web with soluble nutrients I doubt you could run very long ( the hallmark of this style is longevity) before it fell apart.

For me, personally, I feed alfalfa and comfrey that i also grow, rotted in water, (or fermented plant extracts) and crab meal, neem meal as top dresses and teas of various plants like kelp meal and compost tea.

Fuck salts, let them go back to troll hydro world, lol. Or at least start your own thread so I can ignore it.

 

[heady blunts]

I like the pics.

weird thanks for posting a little history of your grows. that was fun to follow.

yea the original ROLS thread was full of big egos and some sensitive newbs def got butt hurt and scared off.

but the smart newbs STFU, read every link coot posted. researched every method stan described. then we'd come back with one carefully constructed question. usually coot would answer that with a fucking riddle and a couple links to academic papers and maybe a suggested search string to plug into google to get your research headed down the right path.

we read all the books, all the papers, all the posts, and that was before we opened our mouth to join the discussion.

if the "but there's technically salt in your soil" crowd or the "chemically all nitrates are identical" folks had read any of these two threads they'd see that both of these and all other smart ass derailments have been rehashed a thousand times.

it's understandable when weird responds using a frustrated/exasperated tone considering he's been here this whole time. it's also understandable why the rest of us let him battle on and just post little eyerolls or cute gifs in response to the trolls.

mad respect for weird for battling on in the face of asinine ignoramuses.

if you don't like having to read or being told to read or being expected to make personal observations in your own garden, then there is a hydro store bro dude waiting to stroke your ego and sell you some pretty bottles and some fancy gagits and he will say nice things and promise you the world and give you a little chart to follow.

if you'd like to understand the biological and chemical cosmos in living soil, start reading. I've been a full blown student for like six years and I'm still a total noob. but I love my flowers. and my veggies for that matter. and they'll only ever get better as my experience and knowledge base expand.