Living organic soil from start through recycling CONTINUED...

[Weird]

lol funny everyone is really showing their lack of cultivation experience

gonna be fun to show you what you know and what you don't

please have at me, make me your project

lots of bigger personalities tried

I am the real fucking deal I have been there and done that well before the internet was here. im not some custy fuck who still hasn't figured out has this plant works but pretends that they do but if you want to show me your skirt ill be glad to life up your dress and plug your hole

don't be fucking bitches now, cause i can smells pussy through the web

 

[bobblehead]

I'm sorry weird, your penis is very big. I didn't realize this was your thread and i was personally insulting you. My point was that your definition is not THE definition. And there are organic salts.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

day 42

no co2

no temperature control

no humidity control

i fan to scrub and exhaust through light circuit and one osculating fan

multi strain

added 2 cups neem, 2 cups fish, 2 cups fish bone, 2 cups oyster shell and 1/2 cup alfalfa as top dress to 180 gallons of soil

no salts, no boosts, nothing but organic materials and plenty of worms

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from that list of amendments it looks like we are doing a lot of things the same way

question: how many cycles do you go before you have to add peat/coco/lava/rice/hulls/something to the mix to "fluff" it up?

for me a mix lasts 3-4 runs before things start breaking down enough that i have to do something about it and eventually it gets to the point where i'm using the mix itself in the place of castings and compost when i build a "fresh" mix. it all stays in the system somehow so it's definitely recycled but i can't honestly say i would call it no till in the long run (not that i think that really matters all that much if it's all organic)

i wish i could run organic without needing a shovel and a tarp on occasion. is all you ever have to do is top dress year after year or is there more to do? what am i missing?

pretty girls BTW

 

[Weird]

well dude thats why i said MY INTERPRETATION which you felt was necessary to correct

I share my take on LOS, here in a LOS thread

Do you ever see me in any non los threads questioning personal interpretations of techniques? No

Do you see me telling people who come in here to comment to change? No

I mastered a whole variety of methods that I will be glad to stand by as a benchmark of performance, so my interpretation is build on decades of real experience.

The fruits of which I am not ashamed of and most certainly will hold to bear against anyone's unsolicited critique.

I don't give a fuck who you follow or what makes your boat float as long as it makes you happy and it doesn't hurt other people why the fuck would I care.

Best part is I don't grow this way because its cheaper, I grew insanely nice plants with all kinds of bottles organic and otherwise, and I don't see superior results from anyone using like methods. I grow this way because I like the results and I grew well enough other ways to deserve a respected opinion.

If not go to my gallery, tear my work apart with valid critique and show me what a douche I am.

I never got on your dick once but your in a rush to ride mine

guess you guys don't get laid much out west

 

[Weird]

from that list of amendments it looks like we are doing a lot of things the same way

question: how many cycles do you go before you have to add peat/coco/lava/rice/hulls/something to the mix to "fluff" it up?

for me a mix lasts 3-4 runs before things start breaking down enough that i have to do something about it and eventually it gets to the point where i'm using the mix itself in the place of castings and compost when i build a "fresh" mix. it all stays in the system somehow so it's definitely recycled but i can't honestly say i would call it no till in the long run (not that i think that really matters all that much if it's all organic)

i wish i could run organic without needing a shovel and a tarp on occasion. is all you ever have to do is top dress year after year or is there more to do? what am i missing?

pretty girls BTW

tyvm for the kind words, i am on the 5th run, I am indoors so I am always running plants.

I cut my plants hang them and wait 10 ish days to pull the reaming stem and roots, If i pull day of harvest most the pot comes with the roots.

I do not work anything into the top of the soil and I have found top dressing the standard way to be a bit harsh on my worm populations

I like to mix the amendments with a bit of peat as well

I do the same thing if I add ewc or compost, not direct and worked in but mixed with some peat and a light layer added to the existing soil.

fwiw, i believe based on my worm and other bug populations (root feeders), the microbiology (breaks down roots), and how I feed (come in on the underfeed), compaction is less of a concern.

Also I use fresh peat, ewc in veg so those plants are bringing a little bit of a different soil composition into the play as well.

I don't do anything atypically, nor do I perceive it the same way.

I blended my existing approach with LOS, which initially hurt me a bit, but boy did it teach me alot.

The hardest part to get over was big plant small pot mentality of most other growing techniques.

For example, ith organic bottles I can get 8 + ounces from 4 gallons of soil, transitionally I can easily get 11 + form 4 gallons, so counter intuitive to the LOS model I experienced.

 

[Eighths-n-Aces]

i've been cutting out the rootball with a drywall saw (an idea stolen from someone around here probably) and tossing them in a bin. i put plants back in the holes ASAP just to get things rolling on the next run. the bin stays wet and in a couple weeks the root balls are pretty much gone except for the stub of a stem thats left. i go from beer cups to 1 gallon geopots for most of veg to 10 gallon totes or a 3'x3' bed for flower. it seems to be working so far

do you pot up in increments or put clones into the pot they are going to finish in?

would you post your base mix or if it's already here would you tell me/us where?

 

[Weird]

I go from 1.5 inch rockwool or water to 5x5 to the 10 gallon for flower

The mix I use is a variation of LCs that evolved with indirect input from Gas & Coot (simply reading posts and applying it in various fashions).

When building soil I do something like this

3:1:1:.5 peat:aggregate:ewc:compost

When I was still mixing soil I would mix 1 part of last runs soil as one of those 3 parts of peat listed above. I did that regardless of performance.

As far as amendments it went something like this per gallon of 3:1:1:.5

I was transitioning to fish based meals to try them out and was finishing my slaughter based meals

tbh I still like slaughter house and guano products but I don't think they are necessary.

1 tablespoon per gallon

neem cake
crab shell meal
kelp meal
blood meal / fish meal

2 tablespoon

fish bone / bone meal

1 tbs

rock dust
oystershell
gypsum
greensand

hit them it with alfalfa tea and thats about it

 

[Weird]

for the next run I will make a complete new mix and top dress with it instead of jsut with plant meals

 

[MJtheIndicator]

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Feed plants, cure ham and bacon, and pickle cucumbers all at the same time ...

http://www.fertilome.com/ProductFiles/33365%20Nitrate%20of%20Soda%20Approved%2001-7-13.pdf
http://www.fertilome.com/ProductFiles/HY Nitrate of Soda MSDS_1.pdf

I don't see alfalfa packaged with warning labels like this. So, is alfalfa safer than Sodium Nitrate to use in container gardens around animals and Humans?

10. TRANSPORT INFORMATION:
DOT and IMDG Classification:
Proper Shipping Name: Potassium Nitrate

 

[Pendleton]

lol funny everyone is really showing their lack of cultivation experience

gonna be fun to show you what you know and what you don't

please have at me, make me your project

lots of bigger personalities tried

I am the real fucking deal I have been there and done that well before the internet was here. im not some custy fuck who still hasn't figured out has this plant works but pretends that they do but if you want to show me your skirt ill be glad to life up your dress and plug your hole

don't be fucking bitches now, cause i can smells pussy through the web

For a supposed Buddhist you've got a lot of ego showing, man. I'm not trying to engage with you in some dick waving; I'm just saying if you wonder why the place seems so quiet lately it's because people don't want to come around when someone his shaking his dick in public. You're mostly shouting to an empty room, and it speaks volumes that you didn't come in and start shouting so loudly until it was mostly empty.

 

[wodi]

Following. Good thread if bypassing the bickering

 

[dociron]

day 42

no co2

no temperature control

no humidity control

i fan to scrub and exhaust through light circuit and one osculating fan

multi strain

added 2 cups neem, 2 cups fish, 2 cups fish bone, 2 cups oyster shell and 1/2 cup alfalfa as top dress to 180 gallons of soil

no salts, no boosts, nothing but organic materials and plenty of worms

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Damn nice Brother!!

 

[dociron]

10. TRANSPORT INFORMATION:
DOT and IMDG Classification:
Proper Shipping Name: Potassium Nitrate

Hmmmm, this is the same stuff I used to use when I was a "Powder Monkey" in a Limestone mine back in the 70s,, I'd rather pass on this stuff, too much trouble for me, ijs..

 

[Weird]

For a supposed Buddhist you've got a lot of ego showing, man. I'm not trying to engage with you in some dick waving; I'm just saying if you wonder why the place seems so quiet lately it's because people don't want to come around when someone his shaking his dick in public. You're mostly shouting to an empty room, and it speaks volumes that you didn't come in and start shouting so loudly until it was mostly empty.

If I am being egotistical deflate it with reality

Part of being Buddhist is understanding the ten human realms

I am quite comfortable operating at any of them, including the lower, at any time.

People want to test me, I can give it back just like it is dished but with a much sharper pen.

I don't have to be nice, that has been a choice.

I can be common like everyone else, and like my grow, I bet I am really good at it.

I hear alot of dudes talking shit but a real minority of them showing LOS with any level of proficiency.

in poker they call that a tell

 

[MJtheIndicator]

Hmmmm, this is the same stuff I used to use when I was a "Powder Monkey" in a Limestone mine back in the 70s,, I'd rather pass on this stuff, too much trouble for me, ijs..

I'm just noting that the original post this quote is taken from pertains to nitrate of soda (sodium nitrate) as the product is labelled, but if you read to the very end of the safety data sheet you will find it labelled as Potassium Nitrate which is different (high potassium level).

The initial mention of salt for which I regret entirely now was a simple curiosity arising from the use of alfalfa, its common to incorporate as a nitrogen fix which got me thinking about agriculture's centuries-old use of Chilean salt peter (sodium nitrate). Its traditional advantage being regulatory ease. That advantage cannot apply to salt peter in the form of Potassium Nitrate because of the high K, impossible to regulate with such an imbalance of N to K.

 

[MJtheIndicator]

ॐ हाहाहा विस्मय सोहा

ॐ हाहाहा विस्मय सोहा

Part of being Buddhist is understanding the ten human realms

“Moreover, Ksitigarbha, in the future, good men or women may plant good roots in the buddhadharma by giving, making offerings, repairing stupas or monasteries, rebinding sutras, or doing other good deeds amounting to no more than a strand of hair, a mote of dust, a grain of sand, or a drop of water. Merely by transferring the merit from such deeds to the dharma realm, the merit and virtue that those people will create will cause them to enjoy superior and wonderful bliss for hundreds of thousands of lives. But if they dedicate the merit only to their immediate or extended families or to their own personal benefit, then the rewards received will be only three lives of happiness. By giving up one, a ten-thousandfold reward is obtained. So it is, Ksitigarbha. The circumstances involved in the causes and conditions of giving are thus.”

—from the Ksitigarbha Bodhisattva Purvapraṇidhana Sutra
Shakyamuni Buddha's discourse to the bodhisattva Ksitigarbha

 

[Weird]

you can draw a horse to water but you cant make it drink

if others want to poison the troth, the troth can choose to stand up and object

the ten realms exists in us at all times as does our capacity to access those realms

the troth included

 

[Weird]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCE0z4V3USQ

 

[milkyjoe]

Is zeolite an approved LOS amendment?

 

[Weird]

according to what definition