True..> You need to eat animals and or animal products to get all the essential fats and proteins required for life. This is rudimentary science 101 ffs.... WHY on earth retarded lying vegans think they can try and overturn a billion years of science and nutrition with lies because they are crazy psycho animal lovers... Well... There ya go..!
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True..> You need to eat animals and or animal products to get all the essential fats and proteins required for life. This is rudimentary science 101 ffs.... WHY on earth retarded lying vegans think they can try and overturn a billion years of science and nutrition with lies because they are crazy psycho animal lovers... Well... There ya go..!
OOH! I was going to make another edit but I'll make another post on it..
I was looking up pesticide residues and tobacco, if anyone can find papers or relevant literature, post it up, as this would be relevant here...
From what I was told / had found out some time ago, much of this information is known by the tobacco industry but is kept propitiatory, as tobacco is not a food crop, and thus falls under particular exemptions from certain regulations. I was looking on google scholar briefly and couldn't find anything and don't feel like wasting any more time today searching out.
This may or likely did change with updated and new (harsher, more restrictive) laws regulating potential toxins and pesticides on products. I'll have to check the laws and caca again and all annnd I'll do it later. Some else do it lol.
Ugh I'm still doing things.. Cause I forgot about this one done by Raber and cannabis and pesticides, but they don't test aza. There are some ref's to check out concerning tobacco..
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2013/378168/abs/
I was looking up pesticide residues and tobacco, if anyone can find papers or relevant literature, post it up, as this would be relevant here...
From what I was told / had found out some time ago, much of this information is known by the tobacco industry but is kept propitiatory, as tobacco is not a food crop, and thus falls under particular exemptions from certain regulations. I was looking on google scholar briefly and couldn't find anything and don't feel like wasting any more time today searching out.
This may or likely did change with updated and new (harsher, more restrictive) laws regulating potential toxins and pesticides on products. I'll have to check the laws and caca again and all annnd I'll do it later. Some else do it lol.
Ugh I'm still doing things.. Cause I forgot about this one done by Raber and cannabis and pesticides, but they don't test aza. There are some ref's to check out concerning tobacco..
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2013/378168/abs/
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grassyknoll
Member
I've been eating a whole foods diet for 5 years and jog 4 miles a day. Never felt this good before. I don't take any supplements either. Don't fall for the propaganda of the meat and dairy industries. (Whole foods is like vegan but cut out any highly processed stuff)
The number one killer by far is Heart Disease which is caused by Dietary Cholesterol. Dietary Cholesterol is only found in animal based foods. Animal based food is also linked to most Auto-Immune diseases. Cow milk given to children is the most likely cause of Type 1 diabetes and is also linked to breast cancer rates.
Preventing these diseases would take a huge burden off the health care system.
How many of our loved ones do we have to watch suffer and die from heart attacks and strokes?
The number one killer by far is Heart Disease which is caused by Dietary Cholesterol. Dietary Cholesterol is only found in animal based foods. Animal based food is also linked to most Auto-Immune diseases. Cow milk given to children is the most likely cause of Type 1 diabetes and is also linked to breast cancer rates.
Preventing these diseases would take a huge burden off the health care system.
How many of our loved ones do we have to watch suffer and die from heart attacks and strokes?
grassyknoll
Member
and no I'm not a lying crazy psycho retard
Food that is free of processing or preservatives is VERY different from what is on the grocery shelves - in this regard the meat and dairy industries are not lying to us; I am proof of that with just simple dietary changes. Meat is good for you, dairy is good for you. Preservatives are not. Eating too much sugar, and especially without fiber, as we do, is not good for you.
Much of the problems in our diet come from lack of fiber (and intake of too much sugar), it's that simple really.
It is also advisable to cut the fat off of meats, and not over cook (or undercook) them. Vegetables should be eaten raw to only slightly cooked. Overcooked food loses all nutritional value, and overcooked meat has been linked to bowel cancers, though I highly dispute these studies and feel other nutritional/genetic factors could be cause or also correlated.
Veganism is dangerous, you're body needs animal products, at least milk, cheese, eggs, and fish oils, or else, problems. Lots of eventual problems. A fat person can get by going vegan as you deplete yourself of nutrients, as with any fad diet.. But rest assured, it is a FAD diet, not a lifestyle.
Eating too much of anything is bad for you. There are also a lot of cholesterol myths that are currently being debunked, or old notions of cholesterol that we are re-evaluating... Especially due to poor studies and biasing, such as, and I'm not saying this was done (though I bet it was as this happens all the time), studies showing such links were done on overweight people, who already have a host of problems from ingesting too much fat and etc, etc.
Eating FOOD. Animal food, any food, vegetables, fish, etc., is not actually linked to any disease unless there was a contaminant, allergy, overeating, poisoning, etc.. .. IE. fish isn't bad for you unless it is contaminated with heavy metals. Which it often is, so..
Eating too much food is linked to auto-immune diseases, cause you're a fat fuck... Not eating food.. I don't know where you heard that, read that, or if you just made it up, but it doesn't matter, because it's A) ridiculous, and B) false.
Studies that come out that you hear linking XYZ to XYZ disease, like diabetes, cancer, autism, are nearly 100% of the time false. Unless you see it published in Nature, and even then Nature is often wrong and jumps the gun in what it publishes.
The claims made by the vegan diet industry are entirely false, and built upon false claims, poor science, and lunatic studies.
There's a study linking everything you can think of to things like breast cancer, diabetes, etc.. Simply because many people have these problems. You'd be surprised to find that in all those breast cancer studies people ate lots of broccoli and drank water too! Hey broccoli must cause breast cancer as much as drinking milk.
People have been drinking milk forever, it doesn't cause cancer. It's this kind of crap that makes the internet a fuck hole where people can just make up whatever they want and roll with it.
Much of the problems in our diet come from lack of fiber (and intake of too much sugar), it's that simple really.
It is also advisable to cut the fat off of meats, and not over cook (or undercook) them. Vegetables should be eaten raw to only slightly cooked. Overcooked food loses all nutritional value, and overcooked meat has been linked to bowel cancers, though I highly dispute these studies and feel other nutritional/genetic factors could be cause or also correlated.
Veganism is dangerous, you're body needs animal products, at least milk, cheese, eggs, and fish oils, or else, problems. Lots of eventual problems. A fat person can get by going vegan as you deplete yourself of nutrients, as with any fad diet.. But rest assured, it is a FAD diet, not a lifestyle.
Eating too much of anything is bad for you. There are also a lot of cholesterol myths that are currently being debunked, or old notions of cholesterol that we are re-evaluating... Especially due to poor studies and biasing, such as, and I'm not saying this was done (though I bet it was as this happens all the time), studies showing such links were done on overweight people, who already have a host of problems from ingesting too much fat and etc, etc.
Eating FOOD. Animal food, any food, vegetables, fish, etc., is not actually linked to any disease unless there was a contaminant, allergy, overeating, poisoning, etc.. .. IE. fish isn't bad for you unless it is contaminated with heavy metals. Which it often is, so..
Eating too much food is linked to auto-immune diseases, cause you're a fat fuck... Not eating food.. I don't know where you heard that, read that, or if you just made it up, but it doesn't matter, because it's A) ridiculous, and B) false.
Studies that come out that you hear linking XYZ to XYZ disease, like diabetes, cancer, autism, are nearly 100% of the time false. Unless you see it published in Nature, and even then Nature is often wrong and jumps the gun in what it publishes.
The claims made by the vegan diet industry are entirely false, and built upon false claims, poor science, and lunatic studies.
There's a study linking everything you can think of to things like breast cancer, diabetes, etc.. Simply because many people have these problems. You'd be surprised to find that in all those breast cancer studies people ate lots of broccoli and drank water too! Hey broccoli must cause breast cancer as much as drinking milk.
People have been drinking milk forever, it doesn't cause cancer. It's this kind of crap that makes the internet a fuck hole where people can just make up whatever they want and roll with it.
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I didn't realize I clicked on the diet propaganda thread cool story guys
grassyknoll
Member
Haha lol. Sorry for going off-topic. I mostly took exception to the name calling. The other nonsensical things being posted I can easily ignore
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
I'm looking for dispensaries which are advertising zero aza in their products.
Anyone?
Anyone?
Genghis Kush
Active member
Veganism is dangerous, you're body needs animal products, at least milk, cheese, eggs, and fish oils, or else, problems. Lots of eventual problems. A fat person can get by going vegan as you deplete yourself of nutrients, as with any fad diet.. But rest assured, it is a FAD diet, not a lifestyle."
You are revealing your ignorance.
You are a bulllshitter
You are revealing your ignorance.
You are a bulllshitter
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
Back on topic, we're discussing CHS and Aza here, thanks.
Would someone please start a vegan thread and post it here, so those interested can follow there as well? Greatly appreciated. Something along the lines of "O blood type vegans look like junkies after a few years" would probably work out well.
Thanks!
Would someone please start a vegan thread and post it here, so those interested can follow there as well? Greatly appreciated. Something along the lines of "O blood type vegans look like junkies after a few years" would probably work out well.
Thanks!
UH.. Nope! You're revealing yours. Please get some basic information about nutrition that is from legitimate scientific sources on nutrition,
This means you can't use lying vegan fad diet institutions or organizations or articles self published or otherwise published in non-reviewed journals ;-D
Don't lie to people about veganism, which is dangerous and unhealthy. Children die from lack of nutrition by being subjected to vegan diets, and anyone not a child will eventually wind up in the hospital with a series of medical issues if they do not cheat over time and eat animal products.
These are all well documented medical facts - there are numerous case studies after case studies and news reports to this effect available through simple google searches.
There is no such thing as a healthy vegan. There is no such thing as an honest one either. Just because you don't like the facts about biological nutrition as they are, doesn't make them any less factual.
Humans are OMNIvores. Not herbivores or carnivores. Why are crazy vegans so cray cray. NEway.......
Yes back to that topic... IS there anything more to say??
I would say Doug that many (most) dispensaries do not use any pesticides on their products to begin with, and though do not advertise to this effect. Indeed it is a worth-while marketing ploy to advertise yourself as such, with labels indicating testing to this effect, (ie. something like 'this product was grown throughout it's lifecycle without the use of any pesticides or PGRs') akin to certification such as Clean Green certification. Such would likely be much more desirable than a Clean Green cert anyway, since I believe Clean Green allows for the use of OMRI pesticides as it is (simply) about maintaining OMRI program and certification to that effect.
Anyone out in Colorado working in shops on farms there want to speak to this effect and the state of affairs on pesticide applications to cannabis, and how everything is regulated? Would be good info!
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
You're going to find that 'most' shops are moving to or are already outsourcing. You're also going to find that 'most' growers for the industry are using aza, for the very reason it's ORMI certified and it works.
It's going to have to be banned (like they've done in Canada) before it's not used in the industry.
I am not sure what you are meaning by "shops are outsourcing"? Meaning that they are buying cannabis from larger producers and not growing their own? Yes I know this, but I don't see how it has much to do with the issue, save that cannabis must be tested and somewhere in the chain batches need to be scrutinized.
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Hey you don't have to tell me most growers "in the industry" are using aza, most farmers are using azamax period, and this isn't just marijuana growers - aza is widely used in the agro industry.
The truth again is, I don't see why it should be banned (though I know you think so)... Especially considering other products used on produce or used to grow cannabis. (we don't ban peanuts because someone may have an allergy so bad they could die).
They banned it in Canada for growing cannabis? If I'm recalling I believe all Canadian medical marijuana has to be grown pesticide free regardless of OMRI status... Which makes me wonder how they get by without even using Bt. Well I do know how, they have some ridiculous standards and procedures for growing a relatively harmless plant product lol..
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
It's on Colorado's allowed list, heavily used.
Smoking it seems to be different, or perhaps it's a chemical reaction between aza and cannabis creating something new. Decarbed edibles also, perhaps heat has something to do with it. All I know is there are (quite possibly) millions of people suffering from this, unaware of what it is. I've run into a significant number of people who simply have low level reactions due to limited intake. They never reach the full blown CHS stage, but their lives are still affected.
There's a shitload of misplaced healthcare spending going on, because of aza being used on cannabis. Awareness is a powerful thing.
Smoking it seems to be different, or perhaps it's a chemical reaction between aza and cannabis creating something new. Decarbed edibles also, perhaps heat has something to do with it. All I know is there are (quite possibly) millions of people suffering from this, unaware of what it is. I've run into a significant number of people who simply have low level reactions due to limited intake. They never reach the full blown CHS stage, but their lives are still affected.
There's a shitload of misplaced healthcare spending going on, because of aza being used on cannabis. Awareness is a powerful thing.
i have been using PURE neem oil for years now...soil drenching and foliar spraying...i vape neem treated weed, i rub neem oil on my skin to keep insects away and i regularly come in physical contact with it...so if anyone could get poisoned by AZA it would be me...
FFS...people are just smoking too much...everything in moderation guys...live well
personally i don't give a fuck who eats what...but when vegans tell how they eat...i tell them how i eat...it never ends well...
FFS...people are just smoking too much...everything in moderation guys...live well
personally i don't give a fuck who eats what...but when vegans tell how they eat...i tell them how i eat...it never ends well...
I know its used.. My point is that it's been heavily used for years, along with other things, well before legalization (without all these associated problems). Black market weed loaded with, not just aza, but plenty of other things, has been ingested without much ill effect - people aren't falling in the streets, getting sick, or this or that.
Negative reactions are rare, and typically due to overuse/inexperience - not a pesticide poisoning or allergy or other issue like CHS. These things are going to be found with legalization and as people ingest more that otherwise wouldn't (ie. negative reactions, allergies), but that's simply a duh.
It is likely none of these things you suggested (especially a reaction with aza and cannabis compounds making something new). It seems like to me, you are running into people who have allergies to either particular terpenes, or cannabinoids themselves like THC.... I suspect terpenes.... Or otherwise are just getting blasted on good weed that is readily available all the time.
The idea there are millions of people who have this problem is wrong... CHS is very rare. A side effect of smoking too much weed is nausea and feeling lightheaded and dizzy, and being spaced out, and not feeling good - people can have negative reactions just by smoking weed, especially high potency weed. I know many people who still don't prefer the high(er) potency weed that can be found a lot of times, especially girls.
These people you run into seem to be getting too blasted and having negative side effects, or perhaps in uncommon instances have an allergy - but allergies are very different reactions typically from just having a negative reaction, and still again very different from symptoms of CHS.
There is also VERY little reason why CHS, or any other symptoms, would present themselves from someone ingesting edibles, unless those edibles were heavily contaminated, which is very unlikely from a legal source (more likely from a black market source)... I could look up the residue limits for aza on food crops but from many many studies, it is a very low toxic pesticide to mammals with quick breakdown time... We even know what happens when people ingest straight aza neem oil - they get sick, and recover just fine. One case study a woman tried to kill herself drinking neem.
I don't know where you keep getting this nutty idea from without much to go on...
And furthermore when it comes to all these people you run into it seems like you are converging all these separate issues and all of these varying symptoms and accounts under one roof because of your anti-aza agenda... Most all of those stories I would bet are people getting too baked.
Especially if they were doing edibles!!!! LOL you think because they are dizzy and puking it was a pesticide? Um... Maybe, but before we jump to that conclusion it sounds more to me just like people who can't handle themselves really or did too much... Cause that happens with people all the time, and with stuff that doesn't have contaminants of any kind in it, whether it's smoked ganja or edibles or whatever, and everyone knows people where they had a negative reaction.
Pesticide poisoning generally happens with the applicator and those around the pesticides the most in the places pesticides could potentially accumulate, like a farmer's field.
Hmmmm.... You probably don't want to do that. Most labels do not call for a respirator or much personal protective equipment when using aza but I would treat it with caution as I would bleach or any other chemical, and exert strict caution about getting it skin, eyes, inhaling mist or vapors, and on clothing that is used often. Also wash clothes separately if any pesticide gets on them, and wash multiple times with warm water. Pesticide residues can accumulate within clothing fibers. It is advised to use coveralls, boots, eyewear and facemask, gloves, and materials that do not allow for the absorption of any liquids.
Oh geeze I feel like a manual..
But seriously there is one side of this and then there is the other like you... rubbing neem all over yourself... Idk you don't want to come in regular contact with neem or any other pesticide.. Many are cholinesterase inhibitors and could cause problems with exposure repeated exposure over time, it is advised for applicators to have full blood workups to know baseline levels and levels over time in case of any changes due to exposure.
And I'd recommend this for you if you have had repeated exposure of any pesticide and follow safe practices, wear PPE (more than the label deems necessary), and follow all directions as according to the pesticide label- it is a legal document and the law, literally federal law.
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
Pathetic.
It's been a problem since it began getting used, a little over 10 years ago. My research is solid, you'll pardon me if I ignore your ignorant blathering.
Next?
^^ Welll... It HASN'T been a problem since it's inception, you only SAY it is, WITHOUT any evidence, or science, or actual testing.. You're just some idiot on the internet saying moron things... SO yeah. You can call it "ignorant blathering", I call what you are saying ignorant blathering instead... Since what you are saying IS ignorant blathering and nonsensical speculation.
Your research is caca. Where is it? Its not published anywhere, posted anywhere, you keep saying "I DID IT".. OK, any links? You'd think I'd get a link already with the 100000s I post up... Youtube videos? Anything thats documented, not just your say so of OH YA I DID IT MAAAANNN.. K Sure!
Here's another link.. Funny all this is coming up when this gets dropped today...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vArfhjItteo
ROFL "ignorant blathering".. You're a jackass
Your research is caca. Where is it? Its not published anywhere, posted anywhere, you keep saying "I DID IT".. OK, any links? You'd think I'd get a link already with the 100000s I post up... Youtube videos? Anything thats documented, not just your say so of OH YA I DID IT MAAAANNN.. K Sure!
Here's another link.. Funny all this is coming up when this gets dropped today...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vArfhjItteo
ROFL "ignorant blathering".. You're a jackass
maybe they know how to grow.
