well, if the recommendation (above) is to put on a hazmat suit before handling azamax, it seems logical that smoking, vaping or ingesting concentrates made from azamaxed herb would be contraindicated. or am i reading this wrong?
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Little-known illness tied to smoking weed on the rise
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Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
Here, I'll walk you through this carefully.
Go look up when azadirachtin was approved for use in products sold to the general market.
http://factnet.winrock.org/fnrm/factnet/factpub/FACTSH/NeemUses.htm said:
Go look up when CHS first appeared.
This gastroenterologist saw their first case in 2004, I'm sure you'll be able to find others closer to 2000, depending on when azamax/azatrol first hit the market.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2886568/ said:
You're not going to find them pre-1996 though, aza wasn't approved yet.
I've done the research, I'm not some kid sitting on their parent's couch. This isn't rocket science but it is definitely something VERY subtle. I'd lay bets there are 10's, if not hundreds, of thousands of folks in Colorado alone who have a low to mild reaction. A reaction they're probably treating medically. Constant nausea and lower back pain are the two main ones.
I also live where people can freely talk about cannabis. Makes a big difference when doing research like this.
^... Well.. You SAY you've done research, but you haven't, as evidenced numerous times when people have had to point out things concerning aza to you... Which you still fail to read/comprehend. You sound a lot like someone on a couch.
Your walk through was pretty weak devoid of any evidence, and amounts to crazy lunatic speculation so far beyond rational thought, I don't know where to begin. Stop watching Alex Jones. Wait let me ask first, you're a big fan of Alex Jones, right?
Yes... This isn't rocket science.. You still can't wrap your head around the fact that aza has been used for years on more than just cannabis, without such effects, and we know the effects of aza ingestion, and so on, and so forth. But you are speculating there are 10s...
Wait.. Why not MILLIONS of people having low, mild reactions.. No it's not all the pot they smoke sure K... People have been talking freely about cannabis for years, nothing new. People have been using aza on cannabis for years.
Aza has a rapid breakdown time - so even if it was sprayed on flowering plants, it would degrade rapidly, though no one is recommending this. You simply keep saying nonsensical bullshit without ANY proof, any inkling of evidence, or even a modicum of logical rational thought.
You keep trying to link CHS to other people's negative reactions.. This is just mind-mindbogglingly insane. What about people in cali? People don't talk there? Or haven't been growing and using aza, and any number of things, for years, just like they have in every other state??? Everything you are saying is out of left field - no one complains of these issues, save for you.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3576702/pdf/nihms353647.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_hyperemesis_syndrome
Your walk through was pretty weak devoid of any evidence, and amounts to crazy lunatic speculation so far beyond rational thought, I don't know where to begin. Stop watching Alex Jones. Wait let me ask first, you're a big fan of Alex Jones, right?
Yes... This isn't rocket science.. You still can't wrap your head around the fact that aza has been used for years on more than just cannabis, without such effects, and we know the effects of aza ingestion, and so on, and so forth. But you are speculating there are 10s...
Wait.. Why not MILLIONS of people having low, mild reactions.. No it's not all the pot they smoke sure K... People have been talking freely about cannabis for years, nothing new. People have been using aza on cannabis for years.
Aza has a rapid breakdown time - so even if it was sprayed on flowering plants, it would degrade rapidly, though no one is recommending this. You simply keep saying nonsensical bullshit without ANY proof, any inkling of evidence, or even a modicum of logical rational thought.
You keep trying to link CHS to other people's negative reactions.. This is just mind-mindbogglingly insane. What about people in cali? People don't talk there? Or haven't been growing and using aza, and any number of things, for years, just like they have in every other state??? Everything you are saying is out of left field - no one complains of these issues, save for you.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3576702/pdf/nihms353647.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_hyperemesis_syndrome
i think there needs to be a bit more informed discussion about neem oil before people discuss how 'dangerous' it is...
https://www.justneem.com/4-ways-neem-oil-will-improve-your-skin/
http://www.productosdeneem.com/agricult2.htm
http://www.stylecraze.com/articles/amazing-benefits-of-neem-oil-for-skin-and-hair/#gref
i could keep posting links but think these should make my point...
oh wait...it cures cancer??
https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/neem-tree-miracle/
http://food.ndtv.com/health/indian-scientists-use-neem-protein-to-fight-cancer-693468
is this enough or do you want more?
OH! here's another fact to the point that you are wrong..
People who suffer from CHS have the problem from different strains of cannabis, grown at different times, from different growers, (and i'll just say not using pesticides why not!)...
People also who have had other negative reactions as well have had the problem from different strains, grown in different places, from different growers...
All this is due to aza? Different growers using aza and contaminating all this cannabis, but no one is having any of these reactions? People who have negative reactions get too high... It's not CHS... WHY WHY WHY you seem to think DERRP weed won't cause side effects with people, and this will happen more and more with legalization, well, your kinda nuts have people told you this
People who suffer from CHS have the problem from different strains of cannabis, grown at different times, from different growers, (and i'll just say not using pesticides why not!)...
People also who have had other negative reactions as well have had the problem from different strains, grown in different places, from different growers...
All this is due to aza? Different growers using aza and contaminating all this cannabis, but no one is having any of these reactions? People who have negative reactions get too high... It's not CHS... WHY WHY WHY you seem to think DERRP weed won't cause side effects with people, and this will happen more and more with legalization, well, your kinda nuts have people told you this
Well, firstly I'm not going to go to any of those nonsense sites or any other marketing links you post. If you have something SCIENTIFIC from a REPUTABLE source, I might check it out.
So post your heart's content.
I can post you studies lauding the benefits of many different kinds of animal cum for your skin and hair too! You should probably make the switch because from what I've read cum is way more effective than neem oil.
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There are grades of neem that are more toxic depending on concentration. My cautions relate to azamax or any other neem related EPA registered pesticide, which may vary from whatever kind of neem oil product you are using on yourself or your skin, as the neem products containing azadirachtin I am referring to are always recommended to not get on skin or clothing as it is a toxic pesticide and that is the primary uses. The products you are using have likely had most/all the azadirachtin extracted out, and the oil itself is made quite dilute so as to not cause irritation.
Yeah I'm 100% sure websites such as "thetruthaboutcancer.com" and "food.ndtv" have ZERO reliable information about both cancer or neem.. SO... Yeah.. Don't be a fucking moron K? Cause seriously, you just upped your retard points over 9000 and now you are a contender with doug for the prime spot, which all things considered was a hard thing to do till you posted those gems
HEY did you know BLEACH cures cancer too?? (in petri dishes)! If you drink bleach, I am sure it'll kill all those cancer cells! Trust me! lol...
the point is that people have been applying neem oil on themselves for years and years for numerous benefits...
how about this then: https://web.archive.org/web/2013110...~cmsdev/userfiles/rishabh/09 ajay bhambal.pdf
so you know a bit more
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azadirachta_indica
and as for azamax:
Potential Health Effects
Acute Effects: Harmful if absorbed through the skin
Symptoms of Acute Exposure: None Know
Chronic Effects: None Known
Carcinogenicity: None of the components in this material is listed by
IARC, NTP, OSHA, or ACGIH as a carcinogen.
Sign and Symptoms of Exposure:
Inhalation: May be irritating to mucous membranes and excessive
exposure may result in drowsiness.
Ingestion: May cause drowsiness.
Skin Contact: May cause mild irritation.
Eye Contact: May cause mild irritation.
https://www.planetnatural.com/wp-content/uploads/azamax-msds.pdf
see how i didn't descend to name calling or using put downs...i just responded to your comment: "But seriously there is one side of this and then there is the other like you... rubbing neem all over yourself... Idk you don't want to come in regular contact with neem or any other pesticide"
how about this then: https://web.archive.org/web/2013110...~cmsdev/userfiles/rishabh/09 ajay bhambal.pdf
so you know a bit more
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azadirachta_indica
and as for azamax:
Potential Health Effects
Acute Effects: Harmful if absorbed through the skin
Symptoms of Acute Exposure: None Know
Chronic Effects: None Known
Carcinogenicity: None of the components in this material is listed by
IARC, NTP, OSHA, or ACGIH as a carcinogen.
Sign and Symptoms of Exposure:
Inhalation: May be irritating to mucous membranes and excessive
exposure may result in drowsiness.
Ingestion: May cause drowsiness.
Skin Contact: May cause mild irritation.
Eye Contact: May cause mild irritation.
https://www.planetnatural.com/wp-content/uploads/azamax-msds.pdf
see how i didn't descend to name calling or using put downs...i just responded to your comment: "But seriously there is one side of this and then there is the other like you... rubbing neem all over yourself... Idk you don't want to come in regular contact with neem or any other pesticide"
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Who wants to play: Which moderator of icmag is Cannabologist the Shill?
^^^ Oh wow... Because I say things that are funny, logical and rational I must be a "shill", or a Moderator lol??
You should look up what "shill" means
And Ozzie, criticism of what you say/do isn't insulting or putting you down. Saying "OH YOU FUCKED UP!" isn't an insult... Its truth people need to accept sometimes when they screw up. This is the internet, if your feelings are hurt, grow up ;-D
I stand by what I said as it concerns azamax toxicity and the label warnings, which are law...!! You should not rub azamax or any other pesticide on your skin.. What you are rubbing on your skin is a dilute oil based product with very little active neem ingredients. Concentrated neem oil is harmful and in some instances very young children have died from not a large ingestion. Typically poisoning results in a full recovery, but if you ingest it, like bleach, it'll make you sick or worse.
You are rubbing the equivalent of a mild bleach solution all over yourself. No its not bleach it's an oil, I'm making a comparison in terms of a product you are using, that is dilute and likely thus has zero efficacy for what it is actually good for, and simply marketed and sold as a product to people like you who believe the claims the product can make... Many products are like this and make nonsense claims, and you are not alone in believing efficacy.
Nothing I said was an insult. If you don't like having someone use intelligence, humor, and wit, to show you up, then don't post on the internet, sow your mouth shut, and crawl into a cave.
Yes I see your post is really boring, kinda useless, and yadda yadda. I wasted time reading and further am wasting time responding... Yes we know people have applied diluted neem oil and used it as household products, but neem used as a pesticide or concentrated active ingredients of neem oil like azamax are quite a bit more toxic... And in spite of people doing it for many years, it doesn't mean they should have been even in dilute form - women used lead in makeup for many many years too, and there are many stupid things people did in the past that we don't do today for numerous reasons.
You should look up what "shill" means
And Ozzie, criticism of what you say/do isn't insulting or putting you down. Saying "OH YOU FUCKED UP!" isn't an insult... Its truth people need to accept sometimes when they screw up. This is the internet, if your feelings are hurt, grow up ;-D
I stand by what I said as it concerns azamax toxicity and the label warnings, which are law...!! You should not rub azamax or any other pesticide on your skin.. What you are rubbing on your skin is a dilute oil based product with very little active neem ingredients. Concentrated neem oil is harmful and in some instances very young children have died from not a large ingestion. Typically poisoning results in a full recovery, but if you ingest it, like bleach, it'll make you sick or worse.
You are rubbing the equivalent of a mild bleach solution all over yourself. No its not bleach it's an oil, I'm making a comparison in terms of a product you are using, that is dilute and likely thus has zero efficacy for what it is actually good for, and simply marketed and sold as a product to people like you who believe the claims the product can make... Many products are like this and make nonsense claims, and you are not alone in believing efficacy.
Nothing I said was an insult. If you don't like having someone use intelligence, humor, and wit, to show you up, then don't post on the internet, sow your mouth shut, and crawl into a cave.
Yes I see your post is really boring, kinda useless, and yadda yadda. I wasted time reading and further am wasting time responding... Yes we know people have applied diluted neem oil and used it as household products, but neem used as a pesticide or concentrated active ingredients of neem oil like azamax are quite a bit more toxic... And in spite of people doing it for many years, it doesn't mean they should have been even in dilute form - women used lead in makeup for many many years too, and there are many stupid things people did in the past that we don't do today for numerous reasons.
having this discussion with you is like arguing with an idiot - they bring you down their level and then beat you with experience...
really?
the only intelligent thing to is to bid you a fond 'fuck off' and let you swim in that blissful ocean of arrogance and ignorance...
really?
the only intelligent thing to is to bid you a fond 'fuck off' and let you swim in that blissful ocean of arrogance and ignorance...
Douglas.Curtis
Autistic Diplomat in Training
Something about people who can't help posting giant pages of text, over and over. The guy needs to get a job in ad copy, the job of putting massive information into as few words as possible. I just put them on ignore, won't bother me anymore.
At the end of the day, I'm competent and careful and have my thumb on the cause of this. My life is better because of the information I have gained and others have a better life now as well.
I really could care less what others think/believe about this, as long as the information is out there for those who need it. Well, the info I have is in this thread, so I'm out. Anyone with experience banning things nationwide, please send me a PM as I'd be interested in joining such a movement for aza.
Good luck to you all.
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^^ ROFL wellp. Crazy people do tend to be pretty stupid too!
Rubbing pesticides all over yourself, or conflating pesticides with diluted homeopathic products... LOL.. This is getting fun!
Oh aza guy... Oh my...
Yes put me on ignore, please...! Don't answer the tough questions, don't make any attempt to put the story in some kind of logical order.. Don't give us ANY actual information, other than to claim I DID IT I KNOW
You are so careful you are so competent but yet when that carefulness and competence is questioned with legit questions OH MY GOD cry and whine like a baby!
UGH great now we are gonna have this crazy loon running all over the internet screaming this crap. Watch how soon this gets picked up by more nuts
LOL I love this guy "DERRRP you can't copy/paste facts because copy/pasting facts proves me wrong!"
Wow. lol.
Rubbing pesticides all over yourself, or conflating pesticides with diluted homeopathic products... LOL.. This is getting fun!
Oh aza guy... Oh my...
Yes put me on ignore, please...! Don't answer the tough questions, don't make any attempt to put the story in some kind of logical order.. Don't give us ANY actual information, other than to claim I DID IT I KNOW
You are so careful you are so competent but yet when that carefulness and competence is questioned with legit questions OH MY GOD cry and whine like a baby!
UGH great now we are gonna have this crazy loon running all over the internet screaming this crap. Watch how soon this gets picked up by more nuts
LOL I love this guy "DERRRP you can't copy/paste facts because copy/pasting facts proves me wrong!"
Wow. lol.
Bobby Boucher
Active member
I grow my own Indoh, using only chem nutes and clean water.
I've been rollin up a quad a day every day for ~20 years. I haven't smoked much of anyone else's shit in over 5 years. Sometimes, if I smoke too much, I get some pretty serious intestinal distress and have to take a hot bath or shower.
Then I started making my own tincture and everything went downhill.
Everyone thought I had intenstinal cancer or something. I was weak, frail, vomiting most mornings, a lot of stomach and back pain, unable to hold down most anything.. I had to start showering 3-4 times a day and taking long miserable walks to ease the nausea. The only things that helped were fresh air, hot water, and bananas.
I stopped eating the tincture and symptoms died down. I didn't make the connection til I came across this thread.
Shit is poison. My mom tried licking a spoon I was making chocolate with and fainted for a minute and a half. We thought she had passed away. We were calling the ambulance and cradling what we thought was her corpse when she came to. When she woke up she barfed her brains out and blamed it on the tincture.
I still get intestinal distress when I get too stoned, but since I stopped putting mj in all my drinks, foods and lotions, I haven't had any unexplainable vomiting episodes. I still find myself showering 2-3 times a day though, whereas I only used to shower 5-6 days a week. Probably just conditioned at this point to trying to prevent that miserable feeling at whatever cost. It's what I think dying would feel like.
I've had bad experiences just smoking a whole blunt to myself. I don't know what I expected to happen when I started flushing my system with thousand of Mg's. Just naive.
I've been rollin up a quad a day every day for ~20 years. I haven't smoked much of anyone else's shit in over 5 years. Sometimes, if I smoke too much, I get some pretty serious intestinal distress and have to take a hot bath or shower.
Then I started making my own tincture and everything went downhill.
Everyone thought I had intenstinal cancer or something. I was weak, frail, vomiting most mornings, a lot of stomach and back pain, unable to hold down most anything.. I had to start showering 3-4 times a day and taking long miserable walks to ease the nausea. The only things that helped were fresh air, hot water, and bananas.
I stopped eating the tincture and symptoms died down. I didn't make the connection til I came across this thread.
Shit is poison. My mom tried licking a spoon I was making chocolate with and fainted for a minute and a half. We thought she had passed away. We were calling the ambulance and cradling what we thought was her corpse when she came to. When she woke up she barfed her brains out and blamed it on the tincture.
I still get intestinal distress when I get too stoned, but since I stopped putting mj in all my drinks, foods and lotions, I haven't had any unexplainable vomiting episodes. I still find myself showering 2-3 times a day though, whereas I only used to shower 5-6 days a week. Probably just conditioned at this point to trying to prevent that miserable feeling at whatever cost. It's what I think dying would feel like.
I've had bad experiences just smoking a whole blunt to myself. I don't know what I expected to happen when I started flushing my system with thousand of Mg's. Just naive.
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I think you're full of shit like the other two wing nuts that shill in this thread
"Shit is poison. My mom tried licking a spoon I was making chocolate with and fainted for a minute and a half. We thought she had passed away. We were calling the ambulance and cradling what we thought was her corpse when she came to. When she woke up she barfed her brains out and blamed it on the tincture."
Denatured alcohol is not the solvent of choice was my first thought.
Second was just, yeah right more made up bullshit for hijacked thread.
Denatured alcohol is not the solvent of choice was my first thought.
Second was just, yeah right more made up bullshit for hijacked thread.
Bobby Boucher
Active member
I'm just sharing my experiences. I must have missed the middle of the thread where things turned to into a pissing contest. It's lonely being a hermit, but not lonely enough to go around making shit up. I still gotta go to sleep with myself at the end of the day.
Can I be certain it was the super high doses of marijuana I was consuming every 8 hours that was making me sick? No. Can I be certain my mom didn't just stand up to fast? No.
Just sharing my experiences with the plant.
Can I be certain it was the super high doses of marijuana I was consuming every 8 hours that was making me sick? No. Can I be certain my mom didn't just stand up to fast? No.
Just sharing my experiences with the plant.
This sounds like CHS (or, well, smoking too much and having a bad reaction of some sorts)... Have you talked to a doctor about it?
I'm curious, what made you want to take hot showers or baths? Why was this a route of action you used to try and abate symptoms? You simply noticed, trying other things, this worked?
... Standing up fast while high.. Heh well as you get older and standing up fast in general, can produce "fainting" effects, or actual fainting..
