LED and BUD QUALITY

[delta9nxs]

wow...

not to be a poo-poo-head... i remember some years ago, i think in washington state they sent samples to 6 diff labs, and each came back with diff thc strengths.. from 21-29... now that was some years ago.... maybe testing has gotten better...

testing has gotten a lot better and you should be wary of labs because sometimes they just tell you what you want to hear so they can take your money.

just like any other service do your due diligence and check around for reputation.

when i was in eugene, or several years ago we caught a guy just pretending to be a lab.

he would take in samples until he had a big batch and then submit them all to a real lab where he got a deep discount because of volume.

then he would charge as much as he could get away with.

he had to leave town to avoid multiple ass whippings that everyone wanted him to experience.

but these days the law has stepped in and requires lab certification and standards.

 

[snakedope]

i am suggesting nothing of the kind! you are the one making these inferences, not me.

i have seen a lot of folks on this mag grow some absolutely fantastic flowers over the years. and i'm not talking about mine here.

and you came on here in june and immediately started criticizing the flowers of some of the best growers on the planet.

that's what got me started on you!

switcher56 just showed some nice hps flowers why can't we see yours?

they can't be the best growers if they use LEDs, that's what this discussion is about.
If you believe quakery and nonsense just because it came from "official source" you are not a good not even close to best, and I'm not talking about you, I'm talking in general.

Also I didn't criticise no one here personally, I criticised the tech and the quality it produce.

Because all LEDs growers are so touchy and sensitive for some reason, when you talk about light tech they always take it so personal.. you are not the problem, you are just encouraging it.

Nevertheless, you plants look extra healthy, very good overall.

 

[delta9nxs]

alright, lets try a different approach.

so snakedope, switcher, and linde, just since you guys have recents posts here, i'm not picking on anybody in particular.

have any of you personally grown with both types of lights?

 

[Switcher56]

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switcher56 just showed some nice hps flowers why can't we see yours?

Correction that is LED flowers I was late to the party. Besides, I run a full woodworking and machine shop. I had no intention of paying 3x for power to grow cannabis. Besides like I said earlier, my moniker says it all and at the end of the day... That is all that frigging matters

 

[delta9nxs]

and snakedope, "they can't be the best growers if they use LEDs, that's what this discussion is about."

this is not what this thread is about, it's about "leds and bud quality".

most of the best growers here on icmag have switched to led already, you just don't know who they are here.

Correction that is LED flowers I was late to the party. Besides, I run a full woodworking and machine shop. I had no intention of paying 3x for power to grow cannabis. Besides like I said earlier, my moniker says it all and at the end of the day... That is all that frigging matters

thank you so much for the correction! that is a nice flower! and it's led too.

do you think it's potent? do you think you have underdeveloped trich heads?

your moniker says that's all you need to know but a lot of people want to know more.

and since you're here have you grown with both sources.?

 

[linde]

alright, lets try a different approach.

so snakedope, switcher, and linde, just since you guys have recents posts here, i'm not picking on anybody in particular.

have any of you personally grown with both types of lights?

I wouldn't be speaking if I haven't. I jumped on the bandwagon just like the rest of my fellow grower buddies in northern Michigan. Spent $500 on a nice 600w bar with all the diodes. Blue cold warm red ir uv. The whole 9 yards. Definitely had high hopes but was majorly let down. My LED is now a garage light to make a long story short. It does have a use after all. Ironically not one single grower friend of mine still uses LEDs. Not one. Look up Michigan Craigslist grow lights. Page after page after page after page of used LEDs setups. Hmmm. I sure am happy with my Solis Tek 1000 and Raptor hood. That setup is a force to be reckoned with and eats LEDs for breakfast.....I'm out of here. Good luck with your LEDs people!

 

[delta9nxs]

I wouldn't be speaking if I haven't. I jumped on the bandwagon just like the rest of my fellow grower buddies in northern Michigan. Spent $500 on a nice 600w bar with all the diodes. Blue cold warm red ir uv. The whole 9 yards. Definitely had high hopes but was majorly let down. My LED is now a garage light to make a long story short. It does have a use after all. Ironically not one single grower friend of mine still uses LEDs. Not one. Look up Michigan Craigslist grow lights. Page after page after page after page of used LEDs setups. Hmmm. I sure am happy with my Solis Tek 1000 and Raptor hood. That setup is a force to be reckoned with and eats LEDs for breakfast.....I'm out of here. Good luck with your LEDs people!

thank you for your input!

 

[Birmaan]

Sanlight Q6w

 

[goingrey]

Look up Michigan Craigslist grow lights. Page after page after page after page of used LEDs setups

That doesn't really say anything. How do you know they haven't just bought newer LED lights to replace the ones they are selling? Distro figures for new light sales would be the interesting info..

 

[snakedope]

Same experience, a long time HPS only grower, jumped on the wagon and got for free 2 x 800w 1000usd each panels to try (samsung diodes)
I really liked them for vegging, I call them veg monsters as I've never seen such progress in plant size and height until those LED panels came along, their ability to veg bigger spaces with less heat and more angles of light is unmatched.
But then I flipped to flower, now I'm the type of guy that saw some grows in his life, and by week 3-4 I didn't like the heading and thought about trashing the entire cycle... the frost just wasn't there, the smells were very suddle, resin production seems lacking
Ended up finishing In thought that maybe somehow it will catch up later on, well it didn't.
All I got was sub par smoke, almost no glue or resin, and the glue that did exist was not sticky, almost no smell, no effect
I gave the panels back, cursing my friend for wasting a good 4 months of my life for this modern voodoo science shit that new agers believe because why check facts when u can just have somebody tell you what to believe and you don't have to use ur brain, easy does it
Now I'm backin the hid game, and not looking back for a sec.

I am more then willing to try same clones under different lights, could be interesting and even I wanna see results of those kind of tests before i deem LEDs as the culprit.

 

[delta9nxs]

as i said i have 22 years with hps and i grew some great plants with it.

but i'm also growing great plants with leds.

@linde
" Look up Michigan Craigslist grow lights. Page after page after page after page of used LEDs setups. Hmmm. I sure am happy with my Solis Tek 1000 and Raptor hood."

i started looking at this and are you saying that because there are led lights for sale on craigslist that it automatically means leds are shit!

think about it, man! your "if then, and therefore" don't match up.

by the same logic, i bought all my 49 sunlight supply ac/de's used on craigslist right after they came out. for about half price.

does that mean they are shit? no, it means the people who bought them didn't know how to use them. they had all been growing with the old mogul single socket bulbs and didn't know how to handle the new power and spectrum.

 

[delta9nxs]

Same experience, a long time HPS only grower, jumped on the wagon and got for free 2 x 800w 1000usd each panels to try (samsung diodes)
I really liked them for vegging, I call them veg monsters as I've never seen such progress in plant size and height until those LED panels came along, their ability to veg bigger spaces with less heat and more angles of light is unmatched.
But then I flipped to flower, now I'm the type of guy that saw some grows in his life, and by week 3-4 I didn't like the heading and thought about trashing the entire cycle... the frost just wasn't there, the smells were very suddle, resin production seems lacking
Ended up finishing In thought that maybe somehow it will catch up later on, well it didn't.
All I got was sub par smoke, almost no glue or resin, and the glue that did exist was not sticky, almost no smell, no effect
I gave the panels back, cursing my friend for wasting a good 4 months of my life for this modern voodoo science shit that new agers believe because why check facts when u can just have somebody tell you what to believe and you don't have to use ur brain, easy does it
Now I'm backin the hid game, and not looking back for a sec.

I am more then willing to try same clones under different lights, could be interesting and even I wanna see results of those kind of tests before i deem LEDs as the culprit.

how about some flower pics then? all we've done thus far is hear from you. this is a cannabis website, it's ok to post pics here. everyone else does.

 

[delta9nxs]

Sanlight Q6w
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that flower is no good because even though it's filthy covered in obviously fully developed and ripe trichs it is ruined by the led and has no effect. just send it to me and i'll dispose of it for you!

 

[snakedope]

I will post pics, not of the led grow as that was a year ago maybe and I don't have pics of that, not that there's something to see in that grow, it was trash the min I flipped to flower under them, vegging was stellar though I'll give them that.

 

[snakedope]

Sanlight Q6w
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I like it, in terms of looks its solid as it can be
Smoke test it ? I'm willing to bet it's medicore.
Also the trichs are round and nice, but too much neck on them, the globe is too small also by looks alone, but that's just a pic with a zoom, we can never know until we smoke it.

 

[linde]

how about some flower pics then? all we've done thus far is hear from you. this is a cannabis website, it's ok to post pics here. everyone else does.

Ive been taking flower pics for years brother. I'm way past that stage. I don't snap pics every time I properly grow a plant and then pat myself on the back lol! This is funny shit. Thanks for the laugh. I'm sure the pics I have posted thus far more than speak for themselves. Don't hate the player...hate the game!

 

[delta9nxs]

has anyone here thought about how big healthy plants grow the best flowers.

so if you grew big, healthy plants with hps but can't do it with leds maybe it's because you have not figured out how to grow with leds yet?

throughout the industry, people are still new to leds and i hear a lot of experienced growers talk about the learning curve.

the learning curve. just like when you first started growing at all for the first time, i know i faced what looked to me like a wall of new information and i spent the first few years just fighting my way up the learning curve.

some miserable failures and total crop losses.

but, as i learned i got better and better, and now i never lose a plant.

i harvest everything i put into flower.

why would an entire industry shift to leds? and they have. i design large spaces and talk to professionals mostly.

about the only folks i know still using hps are basically hobby growers.

 

[delta9nxs]

Ive been taking flower pics for years brother. I'm way past that stage. I don't snap pics every time I properly grow a plant and then pat myself on the back lol! This is funny shit. Thanks for the laugh. I'm sure the pics I have posted thus far more than speak for themselves. Don't hate the player...hate the game!

actually linde, i wasn't directing that comment at you. i think you grow nice plants and the flowers look great.

 

[delta9nxs]

I will post pics, not of the led grow as that was a year ago maybe and I don't have pics of that, not that there's something to see in that grow, it was trash the min I flipped to flower under them, vegging was stellar though I'll give them that.

that's ok buddy. don't worry about it.

 

[goingrey]

but too much neck on them

A couple months ago when I was scoping some outdoor buds I took note of the elongated trichome stems on them because it had been brought up in this thread. What's your opinion on this? HPS grows better buds than the sun? It's not impossible with either strains or growers that have become accustomed to HPS I suppose but not really what has been my experience over the years, at least in terms of quality of the high. Speaking of which, those buds in my opinion were great and not grown by me so I'm not biased in that way.